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Should conversations in taxis ever be recorded?

YES:

Colin Cook Colin Cook

Councillor Colin Cook, Oxford City Council

“A TAXI is a public service vehicle, it is not your own front room, or a confessional box, people recognise that their conversations can be overheard by the driver and moderate their conversations accordingly.

“From the complaints the council has received from passengers in the past, it often ends up being the passenger’s word against the driver’s and it is often impossible to resolve the situation to the complainant’s satisfaction without the firm evidence this system would provide. Meanwhile drivers have complained for years that the police take no action when passengers run off without paying or refuse to pay.

“The evidence provided by the proposed system would discourage passengers from not paying or from being aggressive or abusive to drivers.

Nick Pickles Nick Pickles

“We are confident that audio recording is within the rules, and our initial contact with the Information Commissioner suggested we would be compliant.

“The audio recordings are encrypted, will only be accessible by the police or council officers, and will only be kept for up to 28 days to give sufficient time for someone to send us a complaint and for us to get hold of the driver and retrieve the data.

“The idea we should get rid of it as soon as the fare is over, simply would not work. The public is on our side. People who complain to us will now have the evidence to back them up.

“There are always people who have an axe to grind, but if they see the proposals in context, any reasonable person will see this proposal as reasonable and proportionate, which is the standard set by the Data Protection Act and the Information Commissioner.”

NO:

Nick Pickles, Big Brother Watch

“OXFORD City’s decision to force black cabs to record audio in addition to CCTV images has been greeted with widespread disdain, and once again brought Britain’s surveillance culture into the spotlight for the wrong reasons.

“The council can offer no figures for the problem it claims is so serious it warrants invading the privacy of every taxi passenger. There has been no public consultation and reports prepared for the council – available on its website – do not discuss audio recording. If there is a risk, why not give drivers the option of installing a panic button system that records short periods of audio?

“This policy is a totally disproportionate response to the problem. The assumption that everyone is a suspect and should have their movements and conversations recorded highlights a disturbing lack of respect for privacy – and indeed an alarming distrust of the general public by council officials.

“As anyone who has suffered at the hands of council officials misusing or losing data, being asked to trust officials with recordings of our personal conversations is not an adequate safeguard. If no recording exists, there is no risk to our privacy. This is a staggering invasion of privacy, being done with no evidence, no consultation and a total disregard for civil liberties. Big Brother now has big ears, and they are eavesdropping on your conversations with absolutely no justification. This sort of policy would not have been out of place in East Germany. I hope readers will share my view that it is absolutely not a policy that should be operating in Oxford.”


Comments (12)

17/11/11

Sid Hunt says...

Will this equipment also capture the taxi meter readings?

17/11/11

Bart_Simpson1 says...

and what would would be the point of that?? Are you saying that taxi drivers fiddle the meters?? You should not comment on something you know nothing about! The fares in Black Cabs are set by the council and the meters are locked by the council. Looks like the recordings will be usefull for the driver when they have people like you in the taxi, accusing them of something that is not true.

17/11/11

Sid Hunt says...

Explain to me how a meter gets to £6 in less than half a mile (just over a minute of travel time).

17/11/11

BioHazard says...

A taxi is a vehicle that is used by members of the public, it is not a private place, so do not have inappropriate conversations in them, or do things that you would not want other people to film you doing. What concerns me is how all of this data is going to be stored, and who is going to keep it secure, and how long will it be stored for.

17/11/11

davyboy says...

BioHazard wrote:
A taxi is a vehicle that is used by members of the public, it is not a private place, so do not have inappropriate conversations in them, or do things that you would not want other people to film you doing. What concerns me is how all of this data is going to be stored, and who is going to keep it secure, and how long will it be stored for.
as on the buses, data is stored on a secure, locked-off hard-drive, which can only be accessed by password. the system automatically starts to overwrite after a fixed period, commonly 28 days. the driver or owner of the taxi will not have access to the system, which, presumably. will be overseen by the council. if a complaint comes in, either from a member of the public, or a driver, the council will be able to download the data from that day/time and act on it. hopefully, the cameras will also have a view of the road, so that any infringements of the traffic laws can also be acted on!!!

17/11/11

Bart_Simpson1 says...

Sid, DON'T LIE, no taxi journey will get to £6.00 within half a mile. From 6.00am till 10.00pm it is £2.45 flag rate then 10p every 80 metres, so a half mile journey will be £3.45. From 10.00pm till 6.00am it is £2.50 flag rate then 10p every 53 metres so the half mile journey will be £4.00.
Bio hazard, once you get in a taxi and the meter is on, the cab is yours. You have hired it to get from A to B, no one else can get in.So it is not then public transport.

17/11/11

Sid Hunt says...

I was expecting that type of response but what I have stated is true. That is why I asked the driver to stop the cab and I got out. I was nowhere near my destination but I refused to be ripped off. I use cabs frequently (at least two per week) so I know when the meter is not behaving correctly.

BTW, don't shout - it's rude.

17/11/11

Bart_Simpson1 says...

So why did you not take his badge number and the cab number and report it??????
What type of repsonse,a true one????

17/11/11

Sid Hunt says...

I thought of that afterwards and am disappointed that I didn't but at the time I was seeing red rather than thinking about reporting the driver.

17/11/11

Free Oxford says...

I've heard the arguments in favour of sound recording in taxies, and there are undeniable advantages of course... but isn't there always? Whenever the Government want to introduce some Big Brother policy they can't possibly come to us and say: "We want to erode your civil liberties because we don't want you to be free; we want to be able to control every aspect of your life." No, they have to put some bait on the hook! To sweeten the pill, hand us our shackles in pretty wrapping paper, so that we accept, and even champion, this War on Human Freedom. We are ragaled with optimistic stories lauded about the advantages of tagging prisoners, inserting microchips into the arms of asylum-seekers or taking our children's fingerprints at school (This happened to my daughter!) Look up "problem-reaction-so
lution" and you'll see what I mean. We're heading for a Big Brother State, tip-toeing, a tiny bit at a time. Individual policies like CCTV in taxies may seem harmless on its own, even beneficial, but look at the bigger pricture. If we're not careful, in a few years we'll be living in a world like Orwell's "1984" and we'll look back and wonder: "How on earth did this happen!?"

17/11/11

Information Lawyer says...

I do not think as the law stands the council is acting illegally per se. The Data Protection 1998 does not say CCTV cannot be installed in taxis. As in all cases where personal data is processed, it requires rules to be followed (8 principles). The main principle requires the data (i.e. CCTV images and recordings) to be processed fairly and lawfully. Without other specific laws which say it cannot be done and as long as drivers and passengers are told what is happening (with appropriate signs) I think they may be able to do it. The other point to note is that whilst the CCTV Code has to be taken into account by the Information Commissioner (the regulator) and the courts, it is not legally binding.

However there is another possible area of challenge. What happens if a driver refuses to have the camera installed? Will it be a condition of issuing a taxi license? If so is this condition lawful within taxi licensing regulations etc? There is a possibility of judicial review here of the regulations or any decision to refuse a licence based on human rights principles (Article 8 - the right to privacy especially of the driver). As with all privacy issues much depends on necessity and proportionality? If the cameras can never be switched off, for example, even when a driver is off duty or ferrying his family around there may be issues. Watch this space!

21/11/11

davyboy says...

just as an aside to this story, over the weekend, a taxi driver in Brighton was robbed by 4 men. no cctv, no evidence!!!!