'I can prove it was not Titanic that sank'

'I can prove it was not Titanic that sank'

Robin Gardiner with a copy of his book

The Titanic

First published in News Oxford Mail: Photograph of the Author by

AS THE world tomorrow marks the centenary of the sinking of Titanic, Oxford author Robin Gardiner has released a new book that he says proves it is a sister ship that sits at the bottom of the North Atlantic.

The biggest ship of its kind, Titanic was billed ‘unsinkable’ by its owners White Star Line. But on April 15, 1912, it hit an iceberg and sank in the icy waters of the North Atlantic, with the loss of 1,517 lives However, according to Mr Gardiner, 64, the ship that sank was not Titanic at all – it was Olympic, her sister ship, in what was planned as one of the world’s greatest insurance frauds.

Mr Gardiner, 64, a plasterer and father-of-one from Barton, said: “My new book, The Great Titanic Conspiracy, has new, conclusive photographic and documentary evidence of the swap of Olympic and Titanic.

“This was collusion, conspiracy and cover-up on an unprecedented scale.

“The evidence is overwhelming; eyewitnesses themselves describe running along Titanic’s decks, but where they said there were promenades, there should have been cabins.

“And while survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, there’s no way they would have seen that on Titanic – only on the ship Olympic.

'This was collusion, conspiracy and cover-up on an unprecedented scale'

Robin Gardiner

“You only have to look at the ships’ specifications to see the ‘Titanic’ passengers were actually aboard Olympic.”

According to Mr Gardiner, the ‘real’ story starts with financier J P Morgan’s takeover of White Star and the Royal Navy’s investment in the company’s new liners as potential troop carriers.

He said: “Following the Agadir crisis in 1911, Morgan began to ship gold and other treasures back to the safe haven of the US.

“There was also pressure on White Star to make up the cost of the damage to Olympic, which had been damaged in a collision with HMS Hawke, but which the insurance company would not cover.

“Swapping the identities of Olympic and Titanic was also the opportunity for Morgan, with the collusion of the British government, to quietly ship £8m of gold to the US.

“But unbeknown to the government, the gold was spirited away.

“To the present day, the most common maritime insurance fraud involves changing identities of ships.

“But tragically the planned staging of the sinking of Titanic, whereby other ships from the company would be on hand to rescue all the passengers and crew, went disastrously wrong and more than 1,500 souls perished.”

Mr Gardiner even refutes that the ship hit an iceberg; “The passengers described feeling a ‘shudder’. But if that size ship, travelling at that speed had hit an iceberg of that size, the noise would have been huge and the impact would have hit everyone off their feet,” he said.

“I think White Star planned a small collision of some sort and then a straightforward ‘rescue’ of the passengers by ships waiting nearby. Unfortunately, the ship was steered hard left, instead of right and turned away from the rescue ships.

“It may also have hit a wreck or another ship. And most of the passengers didn’t stand a chance.”

Asked how people react to his views on Titanic, Mr Gardiner said: “I give regular talks and most people are fascinated, especially engineers who know how ships work.

“But this isn’t hidden information I am unearthing.

“You only have to read the inquiry notes – see how many people’s testimony was strangely ‘stopped’ and look at all the official paperwork – to see the ships were swapped.”

Mr Gardiner said the real Titanic sailed on as Olympic for the rest of her career, before being sent to the breaker’s yard in 1937.

He said: “I think all this celebration of the Titanic is a bit sick. I don’t think White Star planned to kill all those people.

“But they did die and Olympic should be left in peace, a the bottom of the North Atlantic as a grave.

“I am now working on an American-made documentary, which will completely lift the lid on what happened with Titanic, once and for all.

“I will prove the ships were swapped and this terrible accident was completely avoidable.”

  • The Great Titanic Conspiracy by Robin Gardiner is published by Ian Allan, priced £19.99.
  • See today's print edition of the Oxford Mail for a special eight-page supplement about the Titanic.

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1:51pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Dilligaf2010 says...

Bit of free advertising, I guess the book's not selling that well, and at £19.99, I can't understand why....
Bit of free advertising, I guess the book's not selling that well, and at £19.99, I can't understand why.... Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 5

3:37pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Ceasar says...

Yes, and those two RAF Typhoons were scrambled to intercept the real Titanic on Thursday as if flew over Bath.....
Yes, and those two RAF Typhoons were scrambled to intercept the real Titanic on Thursday as if flew over Bath..... Ceasar
  • Score: 2

5:18pm Sat 14 Apr 12

rfr says...

‘Rather than putting forth his evidence for a switch, Gardiner instead focuses on retelling the story of the disaster itself, but putting his own spin on the accepted version of events. He does this by imbedding leading accusations, implying sinister motives and asking open ended questions for which he usually supplies no answers...The inconsistencies go on and on... Many of the author’s criticisms are based on flimsy testimony from witnesses whose reliability is questionable.
Contrary evidence, even if abundant, is ignored if it does not support the
author’s agenda. These issues, taken together, damage the author’s credibility to the point that it is difficult to take his radical theories seriously.’
(Michael Tennaro, cited by Mark Chirnside, "Olympic & Titanic - An Analysis of the Robin Gardiner Conspiracy Theory" (2006), p. 26, http://www.markchirn
side.co.uk/pdfs/Cons
piracy_Dissertation.
pdf)
‘Rather than putting forth his evidence for a switch, Gardiner instead focuses on retelling the story of the disaster itself, but putting his own spin on the accepted version of events. He does this by imbedding leading accusations, implying sinister motives and asking open ended questions for which he usually supplies no answers...The inconsistencies go on and on... Many of the author’s criticisms are based on flimsy testimony from witnesses whose reliability is questionable. Contrary evidence, even if abundant, is ignored if it does not support the author’s agenda. These issues, taken together, damage the author’s credibility to the point that it is difficult to take his radical theories seriously.’ (Michael Tennaro, cited by Mark Chirnside, "Olympic & Titanic - An Analysis of the Robin Gardiner Conspiracy Theory" (2006), p. 26, http://www.markchirn side.co.uk/pdfs/Cons piracy_Dissertation. pdf) rfr
  • Score: 2

10:08pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Maggs3petts says...

I agree with you Dillig and you too, townie. Apart from anything else H&W had a workforce @ that time of more than 15,000 how on earth would you keep the switch a secret from them? Belfast people love to talk - Ireland's not that big it would have been all around the country by the next day. NOT take 100yrs to come out. My great-uncles worked on her and I can just imagine coming home from work saying, "Guess what we did to day?" Its the most stupidest, boring and idiotic theory I've ever had the misfortune to hear. I also think its a wee bit sick launching a book about Titanic on Titanic's 100th Anniversary. But then that's just my opinion.
I agree with you Dillig and you too, townie. Apart from anything else H&W had a workforce @ that time of more than 15,000 how on earth would you keep the switch a secret from them? Belfast people love to talk - Ireland's not that big it would have been all around the country by the next day. NOT take 100yrs to come out. My great-uncles worked on her and I can just imagine coming home from work saying, "Guess what we did to day?" Its the most stupidest, boring and idiotic theory I've ever had the misfortune to hear. I also think its a wee bit sick launching a book about Titanic on Titanic's 100th Anniversary. But then that's just my opinion. Maggs3petts
  • Score: 6

10:50pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Tiger1ily says...

What a fascinating theory. I would like to read this book. I will ask for it at my local library. Did you know that there was another theory that Titanic was sunk by the German navy?
What a fascinating theory. I would like to read this book. I will ask for it at my local library. Did you know that there was another theory that Titanic was sunk by the German navy? Tiger1ily
  • Score: -1

11:47pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Dilligaf2010 says...

"And while survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, there’s no way they would have seen that on Titanic – only on the ship Olympic."......
.......Well this is incorrect for a start, the bow lifeboats were definitely above B deck.
"And while survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, there’s no way they would have seen that on Titanic – only on the ship Olympic."...... .......Well this is incorrect for a start, the bow lifeboats were definitely above B deck. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 2

2:45am Sun 15 Apr 12

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG says...

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
"And while survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, there’s no way they would have seen that on Titanic – only on the ship Olympic."......
.......Well this is incorrect for a start, the bow lifeboats were definitely above B deck.
On the Olympic they were, don't forget you are only going by photos and what you see in the movies, and if it was olympic then that would be right. What we need to see is a picture of the titanic in the 20s operating as the Olympic to see if there were lifeboats above B deck or not. I remember hearing this theory years and years ago. But where and when did the switch take place?
[quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: "And while survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, there’s no way they would have seen that on Titanic – only on the ship Olympic."...... .......Well this is incorrect for a start, the bow lifeboats were definitely above B deck.[/p][/quote]On the Olympic they were, don't forget you are only going by photos and what you see in the movies, and if it was olympic then that would be right. What we need to see is a picture of the titanic in the 20s operating as the Olympic to see if there were lifeboats above B deck or not. I remember hearing this theory years and years ago. But where and when did the switch take place? L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG
  • Score: 3

7:26am Sun 15 Apr 12

Dilligaf2010 says...

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
"And while survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, there’s no way they would have seen that on Titanic – only on the ship Olympic."......
.......Well this is incorrect for a start, the bow lifeboats were definitely above B deck.
On the Olympic they were, don't forget you are only going by photos and what you see in the movies, and if it was olympic then that would be right. What we need to see is a picture of the titanic in the 20s operating as the Olympic to see if there were lifeboats above B deck or not. I remember hearing this theory years and years ago. But where and when did the switch take place?
There were lifeboats above B deck on both :)
[quote][p][bold]L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: "And while survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, there’s no way they would have seen that on Titanic – only on the ship Olympic."...... .......Well this is incorrect for a start, the bow lifeboats were definitely above B deck.[/p][/quote]On the Olympic they were, don't forget you are only going by photos and what you see in the movies, and if it was olympic then that would be right. What we need to see is a picture of the titanic in the 20s operating as the Olympic to see if there were lifeboats above B deck or not. I remember hearing this theory years and years ago. But where and when did the switch take place?[/p][/quote]There were lifeboats above B deck on both :) Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 5

8:29am Sun 15 Apr 12

SNJ says...

Have any of you actually read Robin's book yet? It seems unfair to judge him without doing so.

His last book on "The Riddle of the Titanic", co-authored by Dan Van der Vat (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1995), received huge critical acclaim. Beryl Bainbridge in the Evening Standard wrote: "Impeccably researched and brilliantly argued", and A.N. Ryan in the TLS wrote " intellectually satisfying study".

I am nothing to do with Robin Gardiner, except that he did some plastering for me once (and there are no cracks there either). I think it is fantastic to have such a good news story from Barton.
Have any of you actually read Robin's book yet? It seems unfair to judge him without doing so. His last book on "The Riddle of the Titanic", co-authored by Dan Van der Vat (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1995), received huge critical acclaim. Beryl Bainbridge in the Evening Standard wrote: "Impeccably researched and brilliantly argued", and A.N. Ryan in the TLS wrote "[an] intellectually satisfying study". I am nothing to do with Robin Gardiner, except that he did some plastering for me once (and there are no cracks there either). I think it is fantastic to have such a good news story from Barton. SNJ
  • Score: -1

8:43am Sun 15 Apr 12

SNJ says...

I should have added that I haven't had a chance to read this, his third book, yet either, but I will.

I don't necessarily agree with Gardiner's thesis, but there are certainly holes in the generally accepted Titanic story.
I should have added that I haven't had a chance to read this, his third book, yet either, but I will. I don't necessarily agree with Gardiner's thesis, but there are certainly holes in the generally accepted Titanic story. SNJ
  • Score: 1

10:20am Sun 15 Apr 12

Dilligaf2010 says...

"Have any of you actually read Robin's book yet? It seems unfair to judge him without doing so."....
.....No, but there again, I've not read the Bible either, and I know that's nonsense..
"Have any of you actually read Robin's book yet? It seems unfair to judge him without doing so.".... .....No, but there again, I've not read the Bible either, and I know that's nonsense.. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 4

1:14pm Sun 15 Apr 12

Feelingsmatter says...

SNJ said: "Have any of you actually read Robin's book yet? It seems unfair to judge him without doing so.His last book on "The Riddle of the Titanic", co-authored by Dan Van der Vat (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1995), received huge critical acclaim. Beryl Bainbridge in the Evening Standard wrote: "Impeccably researched and brilliantly argued", and A.N. Ryan in the TLS wrote " intellectually satisfying study"


Impeccable? I think not. Details such as describing David Lloyd George as Prime Minister at or about 1907 are incorrect. DLG was a Cabinet Minister at that time and did not become Prime Minister until 1916. (Yes, I researched the book)

Additionally, this is not a new book, he's simply cashing in on the media attention. It was published in 2010.

So what do i do to get some free advertising for my latest project? Take the editor to lunch?
SNJ said: "Have any of you actually read Robin's book yet? It seems unfair to judge him without doing so.His last book on "The Riddle of the Titanic", co-authored by Dan Van der Vat (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1995), received huge critical acclaim. Beryl Bainbridge in the Evening Standard wrote: "Impeccably researched and brilliantly argued", and A.N. Ryan in the TLS wrote " intellectually satisfying study" Impeccable? I think not. Details such as describing David Lloyd George as Prime Minister at or about 1907 are incorrect. DLG was a Cabinet Minister at that time and did not become Prime Minister until 1916. (Yes, I researched the book) Additionally, this is not a new book, he's simply cashing in on the media attention. It was published in 2010. So what do i do to get some free advertising for my latest project? Take the editor to lunch? Feelingsmatter
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Sun 15 Apr 12

SNJ says...

I see that you are right about the date of the book, Feelingsmatter. I have checked, and it was indeed published in 2010, so the Oxford Mail was wrong to say, "Robin Gardiner has released a new book" as though it happened yesterday.

I still think that people should read books before judging them, however. You obviously have, and I respect your comments.
I see that you are right about the date of the book, Feelingsmatter. I have checked, and it was indeed published in 2010, so the Oxford Mail was wrong to say, "Robin Gardiner has released a new book" as though it happened yesterday. I still think that people should read books before judging them, however. You obviously have, and I respect your comments. SNJ
  • Score: 0

4:28pm Sun 15 Apr 12

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG says...

Well seeing as they faked the first moon landing quite successfully, I don't see that sinking a different would be that big a problem. P.S. I saw Elvis and John Lennon having a jam session earlier in The Dewdrop.
Well seeing as they faked the first moon landing quite successfully, I don't see that sinking a different would be that big a problem. P.S. I saw Elvis and John Lennon having a jam session earlier in The Dewdrop. L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Sun 15 Apr 12

Dilligaf2010 says...

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:
Well seeing as they faked the first moon landing quite successfully, I don't see that sinking a different would be that big a problem. P.S. I saw Elvis and John Lennon having a jam session earlier in The Dewdrop.
And I saw Lord Lucan riding Shergar, alongside Ernie & Trigger delivering milk :)
[quote][p][bold]L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG[/bold] wrote: Well seeing as they faked the first moon landing quite successfully, I don't see that sinking a different would be that big a problem. P.S. I saw Elvis and John Lennon having a jam session earlier in The Dewdrop.[/p][/quote]And I saw Lord Lucan riding Shergar, alongside Ernie & Trigger delivering milk :) Dilligaf2010
  • Score: -2

6:18pm Sun 15 Apr 12

Darkforbid says...

Yawn...
Yawn... Darkforbid
  • Score: -2

6:22pm Sun 15 Apr 12

dg42gb says...

Does it really matter what name the ship carried? The disaster is just as great and White Star Lines treatment of the crew and their families just as obnoxious.
Does it really matter what name the ship carried? The disaster is just as great and White Star Lines treatment of the crew and their families just as obnoxious. dg42gb
  • Score: 1

7:38am Mon 16 Apr 12

xjohnx says...

Please don't buy the book!
Please don't buy the book! xjohnx
  • Score: -3

9:45am Mon 16 Apr 12

stokeymad says...

I agree fully with the author however I am extremely disappointed.
He does not go on to say how they stashed Titanic at Area 51 instead of destroying it, and how it was used for the first moon landing, before going on to having a successful career as a Soviet spy, and actually participating in the assasination of JFK.
Maybe he is saving that for the follow up books though. Clever little author you.
I agree fully with the author however I am extremely disappointed. He does not go on to say how they stashed Titanic at Area 51 instead of destroying it, and how it was used for the first moon landing, before going on to having a successful career as a Soviet spy, and actually participating in the assasination of JFK. Maybe he is saving that for the follow up books though. Clever little author you. stokeymad
  • Score: -3

11:34am Mon 16 Apr 12

profgeof2000 says...

SO the Titanic is mothballed someplace in the Artic?

Good timing to sell book - aniversary of disaster (or a disaster!). And not too many people still alive to refute anything!
SO the Titanic is mothballed someplace in the Artic? Good timing to sell book - aniversary of disaster (or a disaster!). And not too many people still alive to refute anything! profgeof2000
  • Score: -2

1:10pm Mon 16 Apr 12

Severian says...

That's nothing! I can PROVE that the Moon is made of green cheese, and will be setting out all my proof in my forthcoming book, which will cost you £19.99 at all disreputable bookshops.
That's nothing! I can PROVE that the Moon is made of green cheese, and will be setting out all my proof in my forthcoming book, which will cost you £19.99 at all disreputable bookshops. Severian
  • Score: -1

2:37pm Mon 16 Apr 12

Dilligaf2010 says...

I have my own conspiracy theory;- I think the water companies, on the instructions of the Government, are selling all our water overseas, and the Government are increasing the price of things that most people need, in the hope that we'll all emigrate. Once we've all gone, they're going to sell the Country to the highest bidder, and retire to private islands in the sun.
I have my own conspiracy theory;- I think the water companies, on the instructions of the Government, are selling all our water overseas, and the Government are increasing the price of things that most people need, in the hope that we'll all emigrate. Once we've all gone, they're going to sell the Country to the highest bidder, and retire to private islands in the sun. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 0

11:28pm Mon 16 Apr 12

gymrat34 says...

There is a free book 'The Titanic Conspiracy' on iTunes :-P
There is a free book 'The Titanic Conspiracy' on iTunes :-P gymrat34
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Tue 17 Apr 12

mandate says...

A fact not mentioned in any book.
Did you know that the chief designer of the Titanic had a lisp. When the owners asked him if the ship could possibly sink, the chief designer replied 'it is unthinkable.'
A fact not mentioned in any book. Did you know that the chief designer of the Titanic had a lisp. When the owners asked him if the ship could possibly sink, the chief designer replied 'it is unthinkable.' mandate
  • Score: 2

12:18pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Dilligaf2010 says...

mandate wrote:
A fact not mentioned in any book.
Did you know that the chief designer of the Titanic had a lisp. When the owners asked him if the ship could possibly sink, the chief designer replied 'it is unthinkable.'
LOL, but surely you meant it ith unthinkable ;)
[quote][p][bold]mandate[/bold] wrote: A fact not mentioned in any book. Did you know that the chief designer of the Titanic had a lisp. When the owners asked him if the ship could possibly sink, the chief designer replied 'it is unthinkable.'[/p][/quote]LOL, but surely you meant it ith unthinkable ;) Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 0

12:21pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Pottermouth says...

I heard somewhere that it was global warming that did it
I heard somewhere that it was global warming that did it Pottermouth
  • Score: -2

3:19am Wed 18 Apr 12

Mike Billson says...

"Mr Gardiner even refutes that the ship hit an iceberg..."
No he doesn't, Ms Waite; he merely claims that it didn't. Please look up 'refute' in a dictionary.
"Mr Gardiner even refutes that the ship hit an iceberg..." No he doesn't, Ms Waite; he merely claims that it didn't. Please look up 'refute' in a dictionary. Mike Billson
  • Score: 1

9:04am Wed 18 Apr 12

Brenda Jackson says...

It's interesting that any book on the 'Titanic' always seems to go down well.
It's interesting that any book on the 'Titanic' always seems to go down well. Brenda Jackson
  • Score: 5

9:54am Wed 18 Apr 12

SNJ says...

Oh no, we are now sinking to the level of puns
Oh no, we are now sinking to the level of puns SNJ
  • Score: 3

10:41am Wed 18 Apr 12

oafie says...

There was a very indepth documentary some time ago arguing the same, with what seemed to be very sensible evidence for this claim. Oddly enough the said documentary has never been shown again.
Perhaps it hit the nail on the head too squarely!

The sister ship had in fact been damaged and the Insurers did not wish to pay up-
After 'The Titanic' sunk the damaged sister ship went on to sail safely for many years.
There was a very indepth documentary some time ago arguing the same, with what seemed to be very sensible evidence for this claim. Oddly enough the said documentary has never been shown again. Perhaps it hit the nail on the head too squarely! The sister ship had in fact been damaged and the Insurers did not wish to pay up- After 'The Titanic' sunk the damaged sister ship went on to sail safely for many years. oafie
  • Score: 1

3:25pm Wed 18 Apr 12

OxfordDon says...

Conspiracy theories abound, adding spin to an anniversary many are fed-up of hearing about in a country that's sinking as fast as the Titanic...
Conspiracy theories abound, adding spin to an anniversary many are fed-up of hearing about in a country that's sinking as fast as the Titanic... OxfordDon
  • Score: 0

3:31pm Wed 18 Apr 12

Feelingsmatter says...

Mike Billson says...
3:19am Wed 18 Apr 12

"Mr Gardiner even refutes that the ship hit an iceberg..."
No he doesn't, Ms Waite; he merely claims that it didn't. Please look up 'refute' in a dictionary." Mike Billson.

No,Mike, he refutes it. That's what the whole book's about. To refute something is to prove wrong by argument or evidence. Surely that's the same as claiming it didn't hit an iceberg. Perhaps you should brush up on your thesaurus.
Mike Billson says... 3:19am Wed 18 Apr 12 "Mr Gardiner even refutes that the ship hit an iceberg..." No he doesn't, Ms Waite; he merely claims that it didn't. Please look up 'refute' in a dictionary." Mike Billson. No,Mike, he refutes it. That's what the whole book's about. To refute something is to prove wrong by argument or evidence. Surely that's the same as claiming it didn't hit an iceberg. Perhaps you should brush up on your thesaurus. Feelingsmatter
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Wed 18 Apr 12

Dilligaf2010 says...

"I am now working on an American-made documentary, which will completely lift the lid on what happened with Titanic, once and for all."......
......bit late, apparently one was released on DVD on 23rd March, claiming the same.
"I am now working on an American-made documentary, which will completely lift the lid on what happened with Titanic, once and for all."...... ......bit late, apparently one was released on DVD on 23rd March, claiming the same. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 1

5:24pm Wed 18 Apr 12

WestOxonMonkey says...

Why does everyone ignore the Britannic?
Why does everyone ignore the Britannic? WestOxonMonkey
  • Score: 2

7:10pm Fri 20 Apr 12

ox-cabby says...

Who cares!

Our elected governments kill that amount of people on a daily basis!

But start counting from 2001 onwards and you'll know what i'm talking about.

A multi million pound jet, dropping a bomb worth thousands of pounds, on a mud hut or a tent!
Who cares! Our elected governments kill that amount of people on a daily basis! But start counting from 2001 onwards and you'll know what i'm talking about. A multi million pound jet, dropping a bomb worth thousands of pounds, on a mud hut or a tent! ox-cabby
  • Score: 0

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