Animal rights protesters target stadium (From Oxford Mail)
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Animal rights protesters target stadium
7:07pm Friday 3rd April 2009 in News
Protesters at the stadium
ANIMAL rights protesters gathered outside the Oxford United ground today, to call for an end to animal testing.
The stadium was playing host to BioTrinity 2009, a two-day conference for sciencists, researchers and drug companies.
About 10 protesters, some from protest group Speak, attended.
Rachel Foster, 40, from Cowley, Oxford, said: “We were protesting against drug companies involved in animal testing. We are making people aware of what’s going on.”
Comments(27)
AR2048
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12:23am Sat 4 Apr 09
Everyone who genuinely wants medical progress should support the call for an independent, transparent inquiry, details at
www.safermedicines.n
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old zimmer
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2:50am Sat 4 Apr 09
old zimmer
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2:52am Sat 4 Apr 09
beetle & wedge
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6:12am Sat 4 Apr 09
Zimmer
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8:28am Sat 4 Apr 09
COME ON YOU YEEEEELLOOOOWS!!!!!!
!!
Sophia
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8:43am Sat 4 Apr 09
Zimmer
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9:50am Sat 4 Apr 09
Sophia wrote:Sophia: In the words of that well known film director M. Winner " Calm down dear". You are getting you 'u' and 's' in the wrong place!
Please dont sue the words 'animal rights' which have no meaning. A flea cannot have rights anymore than a stone can. The issue is about limtis on human behaviour, not the 'rights' of animals. If animals had rights, who is to enforce them against other, predatory animals? Its a nonsense, literally.
itsmick
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10:21am Sat 4 Apr 09
William Windsor
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11:32am Sat 4 Apr 09
Zimmer wrote:Note to Oxford United if you want to increase the turnout on a saturday advertise the killing of a donkey for medical research at half time.
I bet they won't be at The Kass at 1.0pm today. COME ON YOU YEEEEELLOOOOWS!!!!!! !!
If the same ten protestors turn up you will be onto a winner because it'll be double the normal amount....
Oxfriend
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11:45am Sat 4 Apr 09
BioTrinity was not attended by scientists, researchers or technicians, but by the management of companies in the biotechnology, diagnostics and medical devices industries, as well as nearly 40 investment companies from across the globe, as well as a number of global pharmaceutical companies.
One of the purposes of BioTrinity was to help bring investment (and therefore create jobs) to these companies around Oxfordshire, so that technologies can be turned into products to alleviate human suffering.
Technologies on show included an in vitro toxicology assay that used stem cell derived tissue, which is part of the reduction, refinement and replacement of animal experimentation which has been going on for years in the UK. The UK already has the most stringent standards on animal experimentation, as noted by an earlier poster.
One protestor accused me through a megaphone at full volume at 20 paces of being a "filthy murdering beast", while neither my work nor the work of my company has anything whatsover to do with animal experimentation nor murder. Would that protestor value my reciprocation - which would be entirely as appropriate. Besides, murder is the unlawful killing of another human person with malice aforethought.
Frankly, the very small protest by Speak and SHAC, was ill targetted, ill informed and irrelevant and therefore had no impact.
I'd suggest that the protestors, bitter individuals, who appear to have all the time in the world during the working week to throw abuse at others, attempt to find gainful employment which will be more satisfying for their families and make them more resposible citizens. Why should we pay taxes to pay the benefits that keep these people in food and shelter, when they spend all of their time verbally abusing others?
In tough economic times, Oxford needs to support those trying to bring economic growth and jobs - perhaps we should be protesting against those trying to stop economic development.
I support Oxford - AND I support the yellows! The Speak protestors went to London this week to tell tourists not to come to Oxford and cost locals involved in tourism their jobs - its time to tell them what we think of them ... on their weekly Thursday protest in town
AR2048
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4:36pm Sat 4 Apr 09
Nonsense, even the 'standards' we have are not enforced, eg no action taken even when illegal experiments on primates were carried out inside the notorious Huntingdon Life Sciences.
To see the truth of what really goes on in labs and how government colludes and covers-up to deceive the public see
www.xenodiaries.org
beetle & wedge
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7:46pm Sat 4 Apr 09
And now he she or it can get up stairs
AR2048
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7:58pm Sat 4 Apr 09
Oxfriend
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10:05pm Sat 4 Apr 09
Synthetic blood is in development, stem cell research is full steam ahead, its time to embrace and support technological progress. If you can't come with workable legislation, and you can not offer technological alternatives, perhaps you should do a PhD in biotechnology and try to develop alternatives.
The FDA approved 200 new drug products last month alone, you can find this information on their website (www.fda.gov).
Noticed how you can get more effective treatments now compared to when you were a child?
Search google images for "polio" or "scarlet fever" to see how medical progress has reduced the horrors of these nearly eradicated diseases.
Bashing medicine and campaigning against our beautiful city of Oxford and the ewes is not the way.
And if you have an argument with an industry in which doctorates and the standard, prepare to have your myths debunked.
We beat Histon 2-1, up the yellows! Onwards and upwards for Oxford!
beetle & wedge
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10:11pm Sat 4 Apr 09
AR2048
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11:24pm Sat 4 Apr 09
re 'a decade ago' in fact government was spouting exactly the same 'standards' deceit then, and continues to prop up the notorious Huntingdon Life Sciences.
Further, just a few WEEKS ago NAVS and ADI exposed the global trade in primates, including those poor souls destined for the notorious Huntingdon Life Sciences -
"In the UK...commercial testing has been caught on film at Huntingdon Life Sciences in Cambridgeshire, with struggling monkeys strapped into chairs and forced to inhale products.
Many are housed in 1 cubic metre cages and then taken out to be held down by workers as tubes are forced down their throats...."
People can read the rest and watch the video evidence via the NAVS site (click on 'Save the Primates Investigation')
www.navs.org.uk
As for 'myths debunked' the nonsense spouted by the pro-vivisection lobby has been well and truly scientifically debunked - vivisection continues for many reasons but medical research/progress is not one of them.
AR2048
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11:35pm Sat 4 Apr 09
On the contrary we ARE everyday people...
and as for your nonsensical claim that AR is a 'very unpleasant movement' we are on the side of the victims of ruthless oppression, the victims of extreme and lethal violence...
it is those, eg vivisectors, who preach and practice that self-proclaimed superiority justifies oppressing, exploiting, enslaving, imprisoning, torturing and killing the innocent and defenceless conveniently deemed 'inferior' who are part of a very, very nasty movement.
old zimmer
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3:55am Sun 5 Apr 09
AR2048
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3:02pm Sun 5 Apr 09
to be honest I don't know why you post to me as the hysterical and unfounded content of your replies only serves to show everyone that you have NO rational arguments to counter my posts :)
old zimmer
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9:10pm Mon 6 Apr 09
AR2048
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10:08pm Mon 6 Apr 09
History shows us that the 'extremists' are those who use self-proclaimed superiority to 'justify' extreme and lethal violence against those who have, very conveniently, been deemed 'inferior'.
History shows us that the 'extremists' are those who discriminate against individuals of another group purely because they belong to another group - not on any morally relevant grounds but simply because they belong to a different group.
Animals are NOT born to be 'human fodder' - "Animals were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites, or women for men" (Alice Walker)
Just as humans, animals too are each unique, sentient individuals - THAT is what is morally relevant.
Yes we can exploit, enslave, torture and kill animals just as throughout history humans have exploited, enslaved, tortured and killed other humans...
but 'because we can' does NOT make it morally right whoever the victims are.
Oh and a quote which I feel is particularly relevant in light of your previous but now unfortunately mysteriously disappeared human-hating post...
"He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals" (Kant)
opinion-oliver
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8:50pm Tue 7 Apr 09
AR2048
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9:40pm Tue 7 Apr 09
"These animal rights protesters dont care about fellow humans..."
Not so, please spare a few minutes to think about it - were those who protested for rights for women really just men-haters? Of course not.
Did those against apartheid really just hate white people, were they being disloyal to white people? Of course not.
Both were not about hating this or that group but about extending rights to others - and that is what animal rights is about, extending rights to others, extending the circle of compassion.
You say you are "living with humans and consider/think about their welfare first" but that is just 'my preferred group' ethics, the very same 'argument' used by racists, sexists etc.
It is an illogical argument, it does not take into account what must be taken into account, ie what is morally relevant.
The question is not 'to which group do they belong?'...the question is 'can they suffer?'
That is what is morally relevant.
Squideye
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1:49pm Wed 8 Apr 09
William Windsor wrote:You are aware that Oxford United get a rediculously high attendence for a conference game?
Zimmer wrote:Note to Oxford United if you want to increase the turnout on a saturday advertise the killing of a donkey for medical research at half time.
I bet they won't be at The Kass at 1.0pm today. COME ON YOU YEEEEELLOOOOWS!!!!!! !!
If the same ten protestors turn up you will be onto a winner because it'll be double the normal amount....
It can even beat some Championship games.
L2Research.
old zimmer
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3:16pm Thu 9 Apr 09
AR2048
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9:21pm Thu 9 Apr 09
"Ar animals WERE put here as hunam and every other carnivores fodder."
Put here by whom? Also, remember that carnivores eat humans too...does that mean humans were put here for carnivores' fodder?
"It is just as well you were not around in caveman (sorry cavepersons) days. Otherwise we would have all starved"
Plenty of vegetation about in caveperson days but anyway we know we have options and we CAN make moral choices - so we should.
It was not very long ago that other races were treated as 'inferior', as property, women were too - but we have had moral progression, it's just a continuation of that moral progression.
I ask you please to think about it...you would be in good company as throughout the ages many held as 'great minds' have spoken against eating animals - eg Plutarch, da Vinci, Shelley, Tolstoy, Einstein, Ghandi.
'a man can be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral. (Tolstoy)
Feather Brain says...
10:22pm Fri 3 Apr 09