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Police stopped ‘lawful protest’
9:51pm Wednesday 30th May 2007
Comments (68)Fourteen animal rights campaigners walked free from court today after a judge condemned the police for unlawfully stopping their protest.
The protesters were all cleared of refusing police orders to break up the demonstration against Oxford University's animal research laboratory outside the Sheldonian Theatre at the Encaenia ceremony last July.
A tape-recording emerged during the trial of unguarded comments by officers, calling the campaigners from the Speak animal rights group "c****", saying they wanted to "prosecute the s*** out of them" and claiming the university was powerful.
The comments, caught on a dictaphone accidentally switched on inside an officer's pocket, led to Speak accusing the force and university of colluding to stifle their right to protest.
During last summer's protest, demonstrators refused to move from outside the Sheldonian Theatre, where the Encaenia ceremony was being held, under police powers known as section 14s, and instead sat down.
At Bicester Magistrates' Court, District Judge Deborah Wright cleared all 14 defendants of offences under section 14 of the Public Order Act.
But she found 70-year-old Pauline Broughton guilty of obstructing a police officer and Fran Cornwell guilty of assaulting a police officer - and gave them both absolute discharges.
Ms Wright said: "I find the (section 14) conditions were imposed unlawfully.
"Whoever was responsible for making the decision that this prosecution should proceed in light of the tape may well have made a serious error of judgment."
She added: "Although the (taped) conversations were made away from the public, all the officers were on duty. Pc (Colin) Travi accepted he had referred to them (the protesters) as c****."
He was also recorded saying "the problem is the protesters do not realise how powerful the university is - it's a sleeping giant".
Pc Andy Bignall was recorded saying: "We knew we were going to take bodies today."
Supt Chris Shead said: "Now we have to prosecute the s*** out of them."
And Ms Wright added Chief Insp Chris Sharp admitted the measures they imposed were "draconian".
Ms Wright said the protesters had been put under a "metaphoric microscope" by police.
Outside court, Speak spokesman Mel Broughton said: "I am extremely angry and disturbed about what has been revealed of the attitude of Thames Valley Police.
"I think anyone in the country who believes you have a right to protest and a right to free speech should be very, very concerned."
Referring to police comments about Oxford University, he added: "These two extremely powerful institutions are prepared to get into bed with each other to frustrate lawful protest."
Thames Valley Police Deputy Chief Constable Alex Marshall said: "I have listened to what the judge has had to say and I take her comments very seriously and will now review this case to see whether there are any disciplinary matters that need to be dealt with.
"There are comments on the tape that I find very regrettable and I find some of the comments unprofessional. I will take careful note of what the judge has said and see if there are any matters which arise from it."
Referring to the comments about Oxford University, he added: "Those are the comments of a constable after an operation. There's no collusion."
A spokesman for Oxford University said: "While we are in regular dialogue with the police, operational matters are entirely within their jurisdiction, and are not a matter for the university."
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Kit, Oxford says...
5:37am Thu 31 May 07
Maria wrote:Albeit unprofessionally, they are saying what most people in Oxford are thinking - that the harassment and intimidation used by SPEAK et al has gone on long enough. People are dying every day because animal rights nutters make finding new drugs so difficult - but you won't find that in any of their sob-story propoganda.
Thames Valley police should be utterly ashamed of themselves, instead of making pathetic excuses. They are supposed to 'uphold the law', instead they're just abusive bully -boys!!!
If you love animals that's fine - just don't try and impose your morality onto me.
James, Oxford says...
8:04am Thu 31 May 07
bill gates, Seattle says...
8:41am Thu 31 May 07
Nelson, Capetown says...
8:45am Thu 31 May 07
Tony Brett, Oxford says...
9:09am Thu 31 May 07
Maria wrote:Yes Maria (who I note is in London, not Oxford). The Police did make some errors of judgement this time. They are humans just like you and me. I'm sure those in power will do all they can to ensure things are handled better next time.
Thames Valley police should be utterly ashamed of themselves, instead of making pathetic excuses. They are supposed to 'uphold the law', instead they're just abusive bully -boys!!!
HOWEVER - Speak should really not criticise the speck in the Police eye when they have a whole tree in their own eye. The amount of intimidation and waste of police time they have caused by their frankly aggressive and nasty campaign is the thing that is the cause for shame. The police are stretched enough as it is without having to spend so much resource containing the frankly appalling behaviour of Speak members.
What really bothers me about animal rights fascists is that their actions prevent proper scientific debate about the merits of animal research. I for one am not sure that it is always the right way to do research - I think Northwick Park proved that - but I am COMPLETELY sure that the way to protest about animal research is via our MPs and the ballot box. It is NOT helpful to mount a campaign of propaganda, bullying and intimidation.
Laraine Santagato, CA USA says...
9:19am Thu 31 May 07
Phil Gale, Oxford says...
9:42am Thu 31 May 07
Charlie, Bedford and Oxford says...
9:43am Thu 31 May 07
Charlie x
Charlie, Bedford and Oxford says...
9:45am Thu 31 May 07
Charlie x ignore post one hadnt woken up properly :(
Sue, Cambridge says...
9:59am Thu 31 May 07
Emma, Cornwall says...
10:39am Thu 31 May 07
For all the animals who at this moment are incarcerated in vivisection laboratories across the world. xx
Dog bottler, Kidlington says...
11:16am Thu 31 May 07
Oh really?, says...
11:33am Thu 31 May 07
Paul, Oxford says...
11:34am Thu 31 May 07
What annoys me is that groups like SPEAK often try to justify their actions with reference to very inaccurate and dishonest "scientific" information. For real science good starting places are http://www.rds-onlin
e.org.uk/
and
http://www.pro-test.
org.uk/
David, Oxford says...
1:27pm Thu 31 May 07
jamie, cumnor says...
2:19pm Thu 31 May 07
Anon, Oxford says...
2:21pm Thu 31 May 07
Personally I like animals as much as the next person, and am totally against cosmetic testing on animals, but evil and debilitating illnesses, wont cure themselves! And frankly blocking off the city centre on a Saturday (some of us work during the week!), walking ridiculously slowly handing out flyers, and barking propaganda at me is no way to get me on board with your opinions! As has been said above, we adults are more than capable of making our own minds up...!
Paul, Oxford says...
2:31pm Thu 31 May 07
Its relationship to the science of medical progress is best described as being similar to that of the "Discovery Institute" to the science of evolution.
Andy, says...
2:44pm Thu 31 May 07
Kit, Oxford says...
2:51pm Thu 31 May 07
Andy wrote:Ah, yes. Nothing like not intimidating builders and innocent members of the public, committing arson, stalking people trying to do their jobs and putting back medical science by decades to make you an immoral (I assume not amoral - even poor morals count!) low life.
The only reason you Oxford people find SPEAK annoying is because they remind you what a bunch of amoral hypocritical low life you are.
Pot, meet kettle.
Anon and on, Oxford says...
3:00pm Thu 31 May 07
Jamie has the right idea...if Speak types are so pro animals, why not step in and sacrifice yourself that they may live?! Better yet, send in any Big Brother applicants...they are clearly mad and have little quality of life anyway! Seems perfect...
annnnon, Oxford says...
3:09pm Thu 31 May 07
Most of you have completely missed the point entirely.
Free speech is everything, no matter who anyone is fighting for. The use of our police force is common on amongst mass organistations whether you are fighting for animal rights, 'science rights'(I was jsut picking any word there), human rights or peace.
There's no point in spouting facism around against an organisation (Speak) that hasn't acutally done anything wrong.
Emma, Cornwall says...
3:19pm Thu 31 May 07
If you are all as you say "adults" then stop the nasty comments and have a proper discussion, rather than trying to beat each other on who can be the most insulting. PS.You may be surprised to learn that there are many people in Cornwall who are against foxhunting; but I suppose that comment should be treated with the contempt that it deserves (utter piffle!!).
Paul, Oxford says...
3:36pm Thu 31 May 07
a) stands outside the new lab screaming insults at the workers there.
b) tries to follow workers to their homes (why)
c) places fire bombs in Oxford university property.
d) states that all students and staff of Oxford University are "legitimate targets".
Pro-Test and it's supporters have always been very calm and measured in their approach to campaigning, and as a consequence of this (and the small amtter of being right) have won over most people in Oxford. I think this is what annoys the anti-vivs most.
James, Cornwall says...
3:51pm Thu 31 May 07
Shame on you people of Oxford for not caring and 'LNL' to all those who do!!
Anon...again!, Oxford says...
3:57pm Thu 31 May 07
I can't speak for everyone, but the hatred isn't a hatred of animals, but of having people try to wedge their opinions into my brain! Freedom of speech is one thing, enforcing your opinion through violent and illegal acts is another! Obviously not everyone is as 'radical' as others, but yes, some people do cross lines - big lines sometimes, and its much more disturbing than anything a lab does to an animal!
My point remains that I don't march through cities slowing up traffic, getting in peoples way and dragging police from other, much more important tasks to 'officiate' shreiking my support for animal testing - why are Speak, or any other protestors for that matter, so shocked that I might dislike them doing exactly this to oppose it?!
Jade, Oxford says...
4:07pm Thu 31 May 07
David Mitchell, London says...
4:52pm Thu 31 May 07
Blair's Police State 0
Perhaps the clowns who support animal testing would be more reluctant about it if they had been among
the human victims of the recent animal-
tested TGN1412 drug testing disaster.
I think not...
I hope this latest event shows the promised Oxford lab.
will not appear.
Dawn, USA says...
4:59pm Thu 31 May 07
jim fontaine, portland says...
5:45pm Thu 31 May 07
Stu, Oxon says...
6:17pm Thu 31 May 07
Tracey, London says...
6:18pm Thu 31 May 07
They wouldn't know their arse from their elbow.
Clare, Cambridge says...
6:26pm Thu 31 May 07
Robin, Oxford says...
6:32pm Thu 31 May 07
Stu wrote:YES I can honestly say I wouldn't. Chemo and radiation don't work! They'll kill you before the cancer will. I would go to Mexico and be treated by some real doctors who know the cure for cancer and it ISN'T drugs.
Can any of the anti animal testing people on here honestly say hand on
heart that should they be struck down by cancer or any other life
threatening disease that they would not take the prescribed drugs?
Also chemo and radiation were not discovered through animal testing anyway.
S. Pearl, London says...
6:37pm Thu 31 May 07
Billie, Oxford says...
6:38pm Thu 31 May 07
Kit, Oxford says...
6:39pm Thu 31 May 07
Clare wrote:- Vaccinations, discovered by testing sheep with antrax.
There seem to be a few people who are under the missconception that animal experiments save lives/produce cures. If they actually took a leaflet and read it they might learn that they have fallen for the rubbish these people promote. Not ONE cure has ever or will ever be found by experimenting on animals. Get that through your thick heads!!
- Insulin, isolated from and tested on dogs.
- Multi-drug leprosy treatment, tested on armadillos.
There's three off the top of my head which have saved and dramatically improved the quality of life for millions of people. Thousands of drugs we use every day are tested on animals to ensure they are safe.
Terry, Bicester says...
6:48pm Thu 31 May 07
jamie wrote:And thats just typical of a vivisectionists mentality! Actually all drugs ARE tested on humans. No-one has any idea how a drug is going to affect a human after it has been tested on animals and drug companies have been caught out many times testing their disgusting wares on orphans and third world children.
ive got an easy answer to do away with animal testing use all the
terrorists from speak instead tha would kill two birds with one stone
stop them harrassing normal people and save tne animals at the same
time sorted!!!!!!
You people are so naive.
Sophie, Oxfordshire says...
6:55pm Thu 31 May 07
Oh really? wrote:Emma do you realise that no ones been killed by anyone from animal rights... but 4 Animal Rights people have been killed by the animal abusers! Quite telling eh?
Emma, if you want to stop being treated like terrorists then stop behaving like terrorists. Stop sending letter bombs. Stop burning buildings down. Stop vandalizing cars. Stop threatening builders. It's really very simple.
Eric, Los Angeles, CA says...
7:07pm Thu 31 May 07
Kit wrote:
Maria wrote:Albeit unprofessionally, they are saying what most people in Oxford are thinking - that the harassment and intimidation used by SPEAK et al has gone on long enough. People are dying every day because animal rights nutters make finding new drugs so difficult - but you won\'t find that in any of their sob-story propoganda.
Thames Valley police should be utterly ashamed of themselves, instead of making pathetic excuses. They are supposed to \'uphold the law\', instead they\'re just abusive bully -boys!!!
If you love animals that\'s fine - just don\'t try and impose your morality onto me.
People are dying every day because animal rights nutters make finding new drugs so difficult - but you won't find that in any of their sob-story propoganda.You need to read up on this subject a bit more. Animal experimentation has delayed development of certain drugs and, in fact, has lead to assumptions that resulted in harm to humans. You can find this all in the public domain, including stories in major British newspapers.
And for those making the absurd claim that these animal rights activists are acting like terrorists for legally protesting a grave injustice, that is patently absurd. I could make many supporting arguments for that claim, but perhaps the most glaringly obvious is that no one has ever been killed by an ARA, especially one with a megaphone. When's the last time you saw a real terrorist attend a public demonstration? Absolutely nuts.
Clare, Cambridge says...
7:10pm Thu 31 May 07
Kit wrote:Insulin was held up for years because they could not induce it in animals it was only discovered when he tried testing it on himself and friends.
Clare wrote: There seem to be a few people who are- Vaccinations, discovered by
under the missconception that animal experiments save lives/produce
cures. If they actually took a leaflet and read it they might learn
that they have fallen for the rubbish these people promote. Not ONE
cure has ever or will ever be found by experimenting on animals. Get
that through your thick heads!!
testing sheep with antrax.
- Insulin, isolated from and tested on dogs.
- Multi-drug leprosy treatment, tested on armadillos.
There\'s three off the top of my head which have saved and dramatically
improved the quality of life for millions of people. Thousands of drugs
we use every day are tested on animals to ensure they are safe.
Pasteur experiments on sheep killed them and his vaccine was condemned by German, English and Hungarian commissions. He also stole the idea from Touissant.
Hmm I dunno about the armadillo's but that therapy was tested on mice and other animals and did not work but was released anyway after testing on humans.
Kit, Oxford says...
7:15pm Thu 31 May 07
Indeed I have read up about the subject. If you can provide me with an impartial source stating that animal testing has put back medical science, I'd like to hear it. I'm not a doctor but every scientist I've known has said the exact opposite.
As for terrorism, you don't have to kill people to ruin their lives. I gave an interview supporting animal testing to BBC Radio Five, and was added to a SHAC hit list. Since then, I've had people come into both of my workplaces and shout at me, had malicious complaints made at work, have had people shouting and throwing things outside my house, have had to change both of my phone numbers due to being barraged with insulting phone calls, and have had to install a video-entry system to protect myself and my girlfriend. That isn't reasonable protest or free speech, but despicable intimidation intended to stifle open debate on vivisection.
James, Oxford says...
7:28pm Thu 31 May 07
I LOVE YOU-
WILL YOU MARRY ME!!!
Kelly, Oxford says...
7:50pm Thu 31 May 07
Chenli, says...
7:52pm Thu 31 May 07
It's hypocritical really...especially considering no ARA has killed a human, yet there have been many ARA's killed by pro-animal cruelty people i.e. hunters, calf exporters, etc.
You're also ignoring this one particular case where SPEAK WERE peacefully protesting. Yet the police abused their powers. Also, you would not like the same to happen to you if you were protesting against something that you truly felt was wrong, so don't bash SPEAK for following their feelings. If it were children being tested on in Oxford lab, you'd have a torrent of protestors, and tbh, I bet you lot would be out their with them and you lot would also probably resort to drastic measures to save the children, just as some members of the AR movement have done.
Don't sit there complaining about tactics used, but sit there thinking WHY they are used. An animal should be placed in a situation of abuse just as a human child should not. So don't judge us for being compassionate towards those who cannot save themselves.
Chenli, says...
7:56pm Thu 31 May 07
Simon, Oxford says...
9:44pm Thu 31 May 07
I don't know how many of the people posting have been on protests of any kind, be it anti viv, anti war (or just pro cycling, like critical mass), but my experience is that in the main the Police are complete w*nkers, regardless of the type of protest. They don't like protesters and the sooner we all went home and stopped messing up their streets the better.
I've regularly seen them try to intimidate and/or provoke peaceable members of the public for no apparent good reason - I once witnessed a crowd of 400 cyclists transformed from jovial and happy to angry and on the verge of rioting in under 30seconds because of that sort of policing, but it never gets reported.. Likewise when they smash someone in the face with their baton, no-one seems to wonder if the protester really deserved it. I have no doubt that there are nice coppers (I've met a few on various protests) but in the main they're pretty bad. So one in the eye for the police state gets a big thumbs up from me, even if it means a victory for idiots like SPEAK.
Pat, Cambridge says...
10:38pm Thu 31 May 07
Steven McLean, Leeds says...
9:10am Fri 1 Jun 07
I fully support Speak and the great work they do ...
watcher, england says...
9:21am Fri 1 Jun 07
The overwhelming message that this post sends is that SPEAK has alienated the entire population of Oxford...a good proportion of whom, probably supported the notion of animal rights/animal welfare, a year or so ago.
The AREs have never understood that violence, blackmail and targeting the innocent will ALWAYS fail (and why a good number of them will end up doing somewhere between 10 and 20 years inside, come the results of Achilles).
SPEAK/SHAC and the rest of them will be ultimately responsible for setting back the rights of animals in this country by decades...but hey, do they care? I suspect not; they just like the violence.
Mary Alice Pollard, Cornwall's Voice for Animals UK, Cornwall UK says...
10:06am Fri 1 Jun 07
Pat wrote:I couldn't agree more and I sincerely hope the police involved are brought to book for their actions - Police - their job is to stop violence not start it !
The derogatory and abusive comments from the pro-vivisection lobby is only to be expected since vivisection is based on violence and intimidation of the defenceless. SPEAK are leading the way towards a more caring and humane society for both animals and people in the same way as those who fought past injustices. But as Einstein said 'Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds'. OH!AND, OF COURSE, VESTED INTERESTS.
I encourage everyone who wants to know more about alternatives to animal testing to visit http://www.drhadwent
rust.org/ I think perhaps the police, lawyers and yes even judges should also - then perhaps they will better understand why we all want to see animals released from this living hell they are subjected to !
George Turner, Rumble says...
11:08am Fri 1 Jun 07
The injuction is still in place - the lab is built and ,in fact two protesters were found guilty. The others will come again!
Andrew Capp, Manchester says...
4:49pm Fri 1 Jun 07
Phil Senior, Sussex says...
7:53pm Fri 1 Jun 07
Phil Senior, Sussex says...
8:09pm Fri 1 Jun 07
Rossith, says...
10:51pm Fri 1 Jun 07
James wrote:its funny how the majority of testing on animals doesnt help at all though isnt it. People who dont agree with an animal dying every 12 seconds because of vivisection in the u.k. alone have a right to speak out against it, just as you would have the right to speak out against something you feel morally wrong. Before you make assumptions on what you think vivisection is like please visit www.buav.org and actually read up about it.
I think the police were right to arrest them. Criminals are getting away with too much these days thanks to human rights act. This protest is getting silly now, I'm sure that if one of these monkeys they test on finds a cure for a disease that has effected them in some shape or form, they will take the drug. And as for the police being "bully boys", SPEAK are THE bully boys. Yes they can have their view, dont force it down peoples throats as if its right!!
And how can you call peaceful protesters criminals? just because there are some extreemists in a movement doesnt make the whole movement criminalistic. if that were so then all the police are racist and everybody supported the Iraq war. i think we all know in reality those are not true, you cannot sum up everybody into the same category due to the actions of a few.
tinkle, oxford says...
3:00am Sat 2 Jun 07
Steph, 659-572 says...
7:08pm Sun 3 Jun 07
Stu wrote:Perhaps if animal testing wasn't holding back progress I wouldn't have watched my mother die of cancer. Animal testing kills people. There has been no medical advance made by animal testing that would not have been made sooner without it. Penicillin has saved countless lives, it was not tested on animals and if it had been tested on Guinea pigs, it would have been found to be toxic, and all those lives would not have been saved.
Can any of the anti animal testing people on here honestly say hand on heart that should they be struck down by cancer or any other life threatening disease that they would not take the prescribed drugs?
Kathy, UK says...
5:04pm Mon 4 Jun 07
I am sure the likes of you would love to label a dedicated, legal and ethical organisation as an animal rights group as it would now appear the anyone who writes about or speaks about anything relatedto protecting animals in any way are terrorists or extermists, over use of a word loses it's impact Paul.
However, the websites you cite are actually pro vivisection sites with thier own vested interests.
From the name calling and labelling you have spouted I would imagine then that you consider all Doctors to be prospective patientkillers,all police to be possible paedophiles?It would appear this is your train of thought as you tar everyone who protests with the same brush!
As for Andrew Capp from Machester (Andy Cap!) who thinks we should all be thrown in jail, I think there are some seats left on the aircraft bound for Burma, you should feel at home there.
Martin, London says...
6:39pm Mon 4 Jun 07
Dr einar thorrson, Sweden says...
10:08am Tue 5 Jun 07
Kit wrote:I guess this person is not aware that 96% of drugs passed as safe in animal testing fail in the human animal!
Maria wrote: Thames Valley police should be utterly ashamed of themselves, instead of making pathetic excuses. They are supposed to \'uphold the law\', instead they\'re just abusive bully -boys!!!Albeit unprofessionally, they are saying what most people in Oxford are thinking - that the harassment and intimidation used by SPEAK et al has gone on long enough. People are dying every day because animal rights nutters make finding new drugs so difficult - but you won\'t find that in any of their sob-story propoganda. If you love animals that\'s fine - just don\'t try and impose your morality onto me.
Heather, USA says...
10:07pm Tue 5 Jun 07
Why are these innocent animals being treated worse than the most despised criminals? And to the person who asked why AR people don't give their lives to save animals...if I had some horrible and fatal disease, I would gladly let them test on me. The results would be a lot more accurate and I would feel at peace knowing that I did not support cruel and useless tests on innocent beings. Those who condemn animal rights protestors are the very types who would have condemned the abolitionists or any other group who stood up for the oppressed. Luckily, there will always be those compassionate, selfless people willing to stand up for what is right no matter what price they have to pay!
Em, Sussex says...
2:23pm Thu 7 Jun 07
I wonder.
james, Bristol says...
11:07pm Fri 8 Jun 07
Mark, England says...
4:38am Sat 9 Jun 07
iscussion.com/phpBB2
/viewtopic.php?t=357
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Any group of people can do bad things, only lately 2 family dogs were shot and stab by ARs during a raid on a mink farm.
http://www.post-gaze
tte.com/pg/07158/792
341-100.stm
terry chandler, says...
1:13am Sun 10 Jun 07
Simon wrote:well said young man,you said what i wanted to say. there's nothing more to add.
If you look beyond all the pro/anti viv stuff then some people might just notice the disdain with which the police generally view any kind of protest. This is why I'm happy with the result, even thought I don't agree with SPEAK. I don't know how many of the people posting have been on protests of any kind, be it anti viv, anti war (or just pro cycling, like critical mass), but my experience is that in the main the Police are complete w*nkers, regardless of the type of protest. They don't like protesters and the sooner we all went home and stopped messing up their streets the better. I've regularly seen them try to intimidate and/or provoke peaceable members of the public for no apparent good reason - I once witnessed a crowd of 400 cyclists transformed from jovial and happy to angry and on the verge of rioting in under 30seconds because of that sort of policing, but it never gets reported.. Likewise when they smash someone in the face with their baton, no-one seems to wonder if the protester really deserved it. I have no doubt that there are nice coppers (I've met a few on various protests) but in the main they're pretty bad. So one in the eye for the police state gets a big thumbs up from me, even if it means a victory for idiots like SPEAK.
Steven McLean, says...
3:31pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Tracey wrote:Well said Tracy ..
Seems like there's one person here from pro-test posting lots of comments and can't even spell. Just goes to show how intelligent they are! If they want to post a descent scientific website its NOT pro-test! Hahahahahaa They wouldn't know their arse from their elbow.
Judging by some of their comments on here .. i would say that they do most of their talking via their a??e ..
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK SPEAK!!
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The protesters after the court case
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12:39am Thu 31 May 07