Survey sparks appeal to stop traffic gridlock

Oxford Mail: Cllr Mick Haines is pictured at the junction of Cherwell Drive and Marsh Lane.  Picture: OX66188 Jon Lewis Buy this photo Cllr Mick Haines is pictured at the junction of Cherwell Drive and Marsh Lane. Picture: OX66188 Jon Lewis

AN independent city councillor has called for new measures to cut congestion in Oxford after carrying out his own traffic survey.

Marston city councillor Mick Haines has recorded a rise in the number of vehicles driving through the area since 2012.

Mr Haines, from Croft Road, counted 1,659 vehicles travelling along Marsh Lane between 7.15am and 10am on Monday.

In his annual traffic survey, the councillor has recorded a steady rise in commuters using the road to travel to work at a number of different destinations, including the John Radcliffe Hospital and the city centre.

On December 12, 2012, the councillor counted 1,120 vehicles driving along the road.

This rose to 1,474 vehicles on May 7, 2013.

The councillor said: “I’m concerned about the new houses being built at Barton Park. I’m concerned that if more traffic comes in through Marsh Lane, we’re going to be gridlocked all the time.”

The councillor hopes that decisions are made to improve roads in the area before planning proposals for the Barton Park development are fully approved.

Plans for the 885-home site, proposed by developer Grosvenor, are being finalised with the support of Oxford City Council.

Roy Darke, Labour city councillor for Headington Hill and Northway, said: “I believe that the county council has done some modelling on the possible impact.

“Modelling will have to make assumptions about where future residents will work, and what kind of public transport provision evolves to meet the demands from a new resident population.”

Old Marston Parish Council chairman Charlie Haynes called for more traffic calming measures in Old Marston and said: “We have been concerned with the traffic situation through the village and Marsh Lane for many years and have had various meetings with the county council over this issue to see what could be done.”

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4:48pm Fri 28 Mar 14

robbo81 says...

Firstly how can he be 'marston city councillor' is Marston now its own city? Anyway aside from that Mr Haines is often rather concerned with what is going on on his own doorstep without thinking about the wider issue.

In this case I tend to agree with him. However the only reason the traffic is there is because of the congestion further up.

I've made this comment a million times before and I'm sure others will make it too but we'll all go blue in the face before the dimwits in the council will listen.

If you travel from the north (Bicester direction) or in from the cotswolds westerly direction eg Witney then the only P&R that serves you is the Peartree or possibly Water Eaton. However congestion is so so bad in the area in the mornings and there are no dedicated bus lanes that it makes no sense to use the P&R then sit in the same traffic but on a bus.

I truly believe the only way for Oxford to alleviate its problems is to have more park and rides and have the further out of Oxford - Ideally one needs to be located with access directly from the A34 but at least a mile or two before you even get to the first oxford Junction. Again another needs locating to the south nearer to Radley and another closer to Wheatley. Lanes on the A40 and A34 could then be priority for buses and cars with 2+ passengers.

I always think that by the time you reach the thornhill you're only about 1.5m from the J&R and you've done the worst of the journey already, why bother stopping, finding a space, waiting for a bus, paying when you can just persevere for another 10-15 mins in the car.

They also need to sort out the london road, not just the surfacing but having dedicated bus lanes. The width is there if they reduced the pavement. Again on the Marston road it's be possible.
Firstly how can he be 'marston city councillor' is Marston now its own city? Anyway aside from that Mr Haines is often rather concerned with what is going on on his own doorstep without thinking about the wider issue. In this case I tend to agree with him. However the only reason the traffic is there is because of the congestion further up. I've made this comment a million times before and I'm sure others will make it too but we'll all go blue in the face before the dimwits in the council will listen. If you travel from the north (Bicester direction) or in from the cotswolds westerly direction eg Witney then the only P&R that serves you is the Peartree or possibly Water Eaton. However congestion is so so bad in the area in the mornings and there are no dedicated bus lanes that it makes no sense to use the P&R then sit in the same traffic but on a bus. I truly believe the only way for Oxford to alleviate its problems is to have more park and rides and have the further out of Oxford - Ideally one needs to be located with access directly from the A34 but at least a mile or two before you even get to the first oxford Junction. Again another needs locating to the south nearer to Radley and another closer to Wheatley. Lanes on the A40 and A34 could then be priority for buses and cars with 2+ passengers. I always think that by the time you reach the thornhill you're only about 1.5m from the J&R and you've done the worst of the journey already, why bother stopping, finding a space, waiting for a bus, paying when you can just persevere for another 10-15 mins in the car. They also need to sort out the london road, not just the surfacing but having dedicated bus lanes. The width is there if they reduced the pavement. Again on the Marston road it's be possible. robbo81
  • Score: 2

4:58pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

Not an ideal comparison really.

Wednesday 12th December 2012
Vs
Tuesday 7th May 2013

On the first date, some of the private schools may have already broken up...
On the second date, it was the first day back after the Mayday Bank Holiday...
Not an ideal comparison really. Wednesday 12th December 2012 Vs Tuesday 7th May 2013 On the first date, some of the private schools may have already broken up... On the second date, it was the first day back after the Mayday Bank Holiday... Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 3

6:19pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Milkbutnosugarplease says...

Mick Haines is a councillor representing Marston on Oxford City Council. I think the reporter is trying to distinguish between county councillors and parish councillors, who may also comment on this issue. I wish there were more independents in the coming election.
Mick Haines is a councillor representing Marston on Oxford City Council. I think the reporter is trying to distinguish between county councillors and parish councillors, who may also comment on this issue. I wish there were more independents in the coming election. Milkbutnosugarplease
  • Score: 3

7:37pm Fri 28 Mar 14

mytaxes says...

Milkbutnosugarplease wrote:
Mick Haines is a councillor representing Marston on Oxford City Council. I think the reporter is trying to distinguish between county councillors and parish councillors, who may also comment on this issue. I wish there were more independents in the coming election.
Could not agree with you more.
[quote][p][bold]Milkbutnosugarplease[/bold] wrote: Mick Haines is a councillor representing Marston on Oxford City Council. I think the reporter is trying to distinguish between county councillors and parish councillors, who may also comment on this issue. I wish there were more independents in the coming election.[/p][/quote]Could not agree with you more. mytaxes
  • Score: 3

7:54pm Fri 28 Mar 14

the wizard says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Not an ideal comparison really.

Wednesday 12th December 2012
Vs
Tuesday 7th May 2013

On the first date, some of the private schools may have already broken up...
On the second date, it was the first day back after the Mayday Bank Holiday...
Andrew, at least the guy is trying to represent his voters, I don't see many others doing the same, and its a crime that they don't. Go to Witney and all they reportedly do is hold meetings behind closed doors.

If it came to a choice between the secretive Mayor Dorward, and Mick Haines, I know which one I would prefer, the one who is open, honest and has nothing to hide. A stunning bloke who works hard for all in his area, and hides from nobody. Well done to him for trying.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: Not an ideal comparison really. Wednesday 12th December 2012 Vs Tuesday 7th May 2013 On the first date, some of the private schools may have already broken up... On the second date, it was the first day back after the Mayday Bank Holiday...[/p][/quote]Andrew, at least the guy is trying to represent his voters, I don't see many others doing the same, and its a crime that they don't. Go to Witney and all they reportedly do is hold meetings behind closed doors. If it came to a choice between the secretive Mayor Dorward, and Mick Haines, I know which one I would prefer, the one who is open, honest and has nothing to hide. A stunning bloke who works hard for all in his area, and hides from nobody. Well done to him for trying. the wizard
  • Score: 1

8:26pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

For that area considering it has one of the largest employers in Oxford (John Radcliffe) and a very large school I was surpised it wasn't many more cars. The amount of cars will only ever increase as the site of the JR expands as it has been steadily in the last few years.
For that area considering it has one of the largest employers in Oxford (John Radcliffe) and a very large school I was surpised it wasn't many more cars. The amount of cars will only ever increase as the site of the JR expands as it has been steadily in the last few years. Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
  • Score: 4

10:45pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

the wizard wrote:
Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Not an ideal comparison really.

Wednesday 12th December 2012
Vs
Tuesday 7th May 2013

On the first date, some of the private schools may have already broken up...
On the second date, it was the first day back after the Mayday Bank Holiday...
Andrew, at least the guy is trying to represent his voters, I don't see many others doing the same, and its a crime that they don't. Go to Witney and all they reportedly do is hold meetings behind closed doors.

If it came to a choice between the secretive Mayor Dorward, and Mick Haines, I know which one I would prefer, the one who is open, honest and has nothing to hide. A stunning bloke who works hard for all in his area, and hides from nobody. Well done to him for trying.
All well and good.

But, don't promote stooping to the same level as the national parties by spinning figures. Compare like with like.

ContEd do a number of excellent statistical courses that may prove helpful.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: Not an ideal comparison really. Wednesday 12th December 2012 Vs Tuesday 7th May 2013 On the first date, some of the private schools may have already broken up... On the second date, it was the first day back after the Mayday Bank Holiday...[/p][/quote]Andrew, at least the guy is trying to represent his voters, I don't see many others doing the same, and its a crime that they don't. Go to Witney and all they reportedly do is hold meetings behind closed doors. If it came to a choice between the secretive Mayor Dorward, and Mick Haines, I know which one I would prefer, the one who is open, honest and has nothing to hide. A stunning bloke who works hard for all in his area, and hides from nobody. Well done to him for trying.[/p][/quote]All well and good. But, don't promote stooping to the same level as the national parties by spinning figures. Compare like with like. ContEd do a number of excellent statistical courses that may prove helpful. Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: -1

11:04pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
For that area considering it has one of the largest employers in Oxford (John Radcliffe) and a very large school I was surpised it wasn't many more cars. The amount of cars will only ever increase as the site of the JR expands as it has been steadily in the last few years.
If you were to undertake a poll in Marston, I doubt if many residents would be impressed if it suggested moving a number of departments to Milton Keynes, Aylesbury, Swindon or High Wycombe - all considerably cheaper locations than Oxford to provide services. Probably easier to recruit too as the same salary buys a considerably better home.

Everyone wants the benefits of major University Hospital on the doorstep - but with the benefits come the consequences.

Those consequences are the people who work there and their travel arrangements.

So until there is a major capital investment in large scale public transport project in Oxford(shire) the problem will remain.
[quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: For that area considering it has one of the largest employers in Oxford (John Radcliffe) and a very large school I was surpised it wasn't many more cars. The amount of cars will only ever increase as the site of the JR expands as it has been steadily in the last few years.[/p][/quote]If you were to undertake a poll in Marston, I doubt if many residents would be impressed if it suggested moving a number of departments to Milton Keynes, Aylesbury, Swindon or High Wycombe - all considerably cheaper locations than Oxford to provide services. Probably easier to recruit too as the same salary buys a considerably better home. Everyone wants the benefits of major University Hospital on the doorstep - but with the benefits come the consequences. Those consequences are the people who work there and their travel arrangements. So until there is a major capital investment in large scale public transport project in Oxford(shire) the problem will remain. Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 2

11:21pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
For that area considering it has one of the largest employers in Oxford (John Radcliffe) and a very large school I was surpised it wasn't many more cars. The amount of cars will only ever increase as the site of the JR expands as it has been steadily in the last few years.
If you were to undertake a poll in Marston, I doubt if many residents would be impressed if it suggested moving a number of departments to Milton Keynes, Aylesbury, Swindon or High Wycombe - all considerably cheaper locations than Oxford to provide services. Probably easier to recruit too as the same salary buys a considerably better home.

Everyone wants the benefits of major University Hospital on the doorstep - but with the benefits come the consequences.

Those consequences are the people who work there and their travel arrangements.

So until there is a major capital investment in large scale public transport project in Oxford(shire) the problem will remain.
I wasn't suggesting moving anything. I was simply surprised with the hospital and school in such close proximity to where this count was done that there was not more cars, why Andrew, do you always have to try and be clever and read things that aren't there into peoples posts ?
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: For that area considering it has one of the largest employers in Oxford (John Radcliffe) and a very large school I was surpised it wasn't many more cars. The amount of cars will only ever increase as the site of the JR expands as it has been steadily in the last few years.[/p][/quote]If you were to undertake a poll in Marston, I doubt if many residents would be impressed if it suggested moving a number of departments to Milton Keynes, Aylesbury, Swindon or High Wycombe - all considerably cheaper locations than Oxford to provide services. Probably easier to recruit too as the same salary buys a considerably better home. Everyone wants the benefits of major University Hospital on the doorstep - but with the benefits come the consequences. Those consequences are the people who work there and their travel arrangements. So until there is a major capital investment in large scale public transport project in Oxford(shire) the problem will remain.[/p][/quote]I wasn't suggesting moving anything. I was simply surprised with the hospital and school in such close proximity to where this count was done that there was not more cars, why Andrew, do you always have to try and be clever and read things that aren't there into peoples posts ? Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
  • Score: 1

1:43am Sat 29 Mar 14

the wizard says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Not an ideal comparison really.

Wednesday 12th December 2012
Vs
Tuesday 7th May 2013

On the first date, some of the private schools may have already broken up...
On the second date, it was the first day back after the Mayday Bank Holiday...
Andrew, at least the guy is trying to represent his voters, I don't see many others doing the same, and its a crime that they don't. Go to Witney and all they reportedly do is hold meetings behind closed doors.

If it came to a choice between the secretive Mayor Dorward, and Mick Haines, I know which one I would prefer, the one who is open, honest and has nothing to hide. A stunning bloke who works hard for all in his area, and hides from nobody. Well done to him for trying.
All well and good.

But, don't promote stooping to the same level as the national parties by spinning figures. Compare like with like.

ContEd do a number of excellent statistical courses that may prove helpful.
Stats, yipee, loads of numbers that unless you have the exact detail from each person as to the why's and where for's as to the detail of that trip on that day are completely meaningless because life does not fall into the categories and criteria statisticians set out making all the data useless.
You can throw all sorts of items in to massage figures to suit any number of issues, oh, there was a burst water main here, road works there, a bloke fell off his bike, police directing traffic, crowds drawn to the Kassam to see Lord Lucan doing a few laps on Shergar.

The fact is Mick did a straw poll, we all know traffic is on the up, congestion everywhere you go, the world isn't a perfect place, but for pities sake, give the guy a break. I just wish my Councillor took as much interest as this guy does trying to look after the people in his ward and in trying to paint a rough picture of what is occurring. Knowing him from these pages he will not stop until he gets some sort of result which benefits his area.I wish him well, and its a crying shame more don't take their responsibilities as seriously, it may just make a difference. At least he tries.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: Not an ideal comparison really. Wednesday 12th December 2012 Vs Tuesday 7th May 2013 On the first date, some of the private schools may have already broken up... On the second date, it was the first day back after the Mayday Bank Holiday...[/p][/quote]Andrew, at least the guy is trying to represent his voters, I don't see many others doing the same, and its a crime that they don't. Go to Witney and all they reportedly do is hold meetings behind closed doors. If it came to a choice between the secretive Mayor Dorward, and Mick Haines, I know which one I would prefer, the one who is open, honest and has nothing to hide. A stunning bloke who works hard for all in his area, and hides from nobody. Well done to him for trying.[/p][/quote]All well and good. But, don't promote stooping to the same level as the national parties by spinning figures. Compare like with like. ContEd do a number of excellent statistical courses that may prove helpful.[/p][/quote]Stats, yipee, loads of numbers that unless you have the exact detail from each person as to the why's and where for's as to the detail of that trip on that day are completely meaningless because life does not fall into the categories and criteria statisticians set out making all the data useless. You can throw all sorts of items in to massage figures to suit any number of issues, oh, there was a burst water main here, road works there, a bloke fell off his bike, police directing traffic, crowds drawn to the Kassam to see Lord Lucan doing a few laps on Shergar. The fact is Mick did a straw poll, we all know traffic is on the up, congestion everywhere you go, the world isn't a perfect place, but for pities sake, give the guy a break. I just wish my Councillor took as much interest as this guy does trying to look after the people in his ward and in trying to paint a rough picture of what is occurring. Knowing him from these pages he will not stop until he gets some sort of result which benefits his area.I wish him well, and its a crying shame more don't take their responsibilities as seriously, it may just make a difference. At least he tries. the wizard
  • Score: 3

3:12am Sat 29 Mar 14

The New Private Eye says...

The JR is THE major hospital between London and Birmingham, and it is served by one road which is not wide enough to let 2 buses pass eachother. Rather than complaining about people trying to drive to the hospital, questions should be asked of the planners who let the JR expand so much without improving access, a direct link from the A40 should have been built around the back of Northway estate when they had to opportunity.
The JR is THE major hospital between London and Birmingham, and it is served by one road which is not wide enough to let 2 buses pass eachother. Rather than complaining about people trying to drive to the hospital, questions should be asked of the planners who let the JR expand so much without improving access, a direct link from the A40 should have been built around the back of Northway estate when they had to opportunity. The New Private Eye
  • Score: 5

6:31am Sat 29 Mar 14

bart-on simpson says...

Mick is doing a good job.

Before Barton P is finally approved? Already has done - last December.

All the one-person cars driven those nurses and ancilliary staff is surely the largest group of vehicles.
Mick is doing a good job. Before Barton P is finally approved? Already has done - last December. All the one-person cars driven those nurses and ancilliary staff is surely the largest group of vehicles. bart-on simpson
  • Score: 2

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