Players are to blame, says Oxford United's Alfie Potter

Oxford United’s players cannot believe it as Jack Redshaw (No 17) scores an injury-time equaliser for Morecambe at the Kassam Stadium yesterday

Oxford United’s players cannot believe it as Jack Redshaw (No 17) scores an injury-time equaliser for Morecambe at the Kassam Stadium yesterday

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ALFIE Potter admitted Oxford United had let themselves down again as their play-off hopes were effectively snuffed out by a last-gasp Morecambe equaliser.

The winger put the U’s in front with a fantastic piece of improvisation after an hour.

But as with their previous two games, which both ended in defeats, United were severely punished for not killing off the opposition.

It allowed Morecambe to pinch a goal with just seconds remaining, when Jack Redshaw headed in at a corner.

The draw realistically ended United’s challenge for a place in the top seven – they are seven points adrift, with several rivals having up to two games in hand on them in the final month of the season.

Any joy Potter had from scoring the goal vanished with the late leveller and the winger felt it was clear who was at fault.

He said: “I would have been delighted if it had been the winner, but it means nothing really, we needed to win and we let ourselves down at the end.

“We’re to blame, the manager picks his team and sets us up – he’s got it right because we’ve dominated teams.

“We’ve created chances and not taken them and when it’s mattered we’ve not defended right as a team.”

Chris Wilder was again left pointing at the chances his side had squandered.

But the U’s boss was also critical of the lack of game management they had shown, when the priority in the closing minutes should have been on running down the clock to protect the lead.

He said: “There were five mistakes in the last 30 seconds.

“Riggy (Sean Rigg) possibly shouldn’t have had an extra touch, my centre forward should never have got caught offside and even before that Alfie and Riggy have had chances to keep it in the corner.

“I want them to go and score a second goal but I want them to go and win the game.

“Then, at the corner, somebody has made a poor decision to sink back onto the line when all they needed to do was go and head it clear.”

Wilder said it was the toughest result to take of the entire season and sympathised with the emotion supporters showed at the final whistle.

“We’ve done enough to win again,” he said.

“I understand people walking out of the ground frustrated and angry, but I feel exactly the same.

“We’re killing ourselves, as we have done over the last two or three games.”

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10:54am Sat 30 Mar 13

Doctor69 says...

Players, management, you are all a waste of space. Wilder and the vast majority of the squad out.

I would look to retain Clarke, Wright, Whing, Liam Davies, Batt, Potter and possibly Rigg. These players shouldn't be guaranteed first team each week, we need better quality throughout the squad, this would push the players on and keep them fighting for starts.
Good healthy competition.
Players, management, you are all a waste of space. Wilder and the vast majority of the squad out. I would look to retain Clarke, Wright, Whing, Liam Davies, Batt, Potter and possibly Rigg. These players shouldn't be guaranteed first team each week, we need better quality throughout the squad, this would push the players on and keep them fighting for starts. Good healthy competition. Doctor69
  • Score: 6

12:23pm Sat 30 Mar 13

OUFCwhelan says...

Wow. Keeping 7 players. Really? I don't think if we get a whole new squad and management we'll be challenging to go up or even a hogh place finish anytime soon. And it's not like we can afford to get a new squad of high class players, it would be league 2 average players that have never played with each other before.

Annoys me how some Oxford fans don't think. -.-
Wow. Keeping 7 players. Really? I don't think if we get a whole new squad and management we'll be challenging to go up or even a hogh place finish anytime soon. And it's not like we can afford to get a new squad of high class players, it would be league 2 average players that have never played with each other before. Annoys me how some Oxford fans don't think. -.- OUFCwhelan
  • Score: 6

1:10pm Sat 30 Mar 13

greengarden says...

Doctor69 wrote:
Players, management, you are all a waste of space. Wilder and the vast majority of the squad out.

I would look to retain Clarke, Wright, Whing, Liam Davies, Batt, Potter and possibly Rigg. These players shouldn't be guaranteed first team each week, we need better quality throughout the squad, this would push the players on and keep them fighting for starts.
Good healthy competition.
What planet are you ok????

of course let replace the entire playing staff, the management, the owners lets go for a new ground as well.

hen we will win league....of course **!!*
[quote][p][bold]Doctor69[/bold] wrote: Players, management, you are all a waste of space. Wilder and the vast majority of the squad out. I would look to retain Clarke, Wright, Whing, Liam Davies, Batt, Potter and possibly Rigg. These players shouldn't be guaranteed first team each week, we need better quality throughout the squad, this would push the players on and keep them fighting for starts. Good healthy competition.[/p][/quote]What planet are you ok???? of course let replace the entire playing staff, the management, the owners lets go for a new ground as well. hen we will win league....of course **!!* greengarden
  • Score: 0

5:35pm Sat 30 Mar 13

oldun says...

OUFCwhelan wrote:
Wow. Keeping 7 players. Really? I don't think if we get a whole new squad and management we'll be challenging to go up or even a hogh place finish anytime soon. And it's not like we can afford to get a new squad of high class players, it would be league 2 average players that have never played with each other before.

Annoys me how some Oxford fans don't think. -.-
(A) Fewer injury prone players (B) about eight new players of third and better fourth tier ability (largely free transfers - as nearly all will be) and (C) the use of our better young players WILL be enough for us to get out this division at the end next season - as long as we have a decent manager (as many very small clubs have). We are not asking for much - we have suffered since 1998 - far longer than most small clubs which are in League One, League Two or the Conference top division. Ensure that we get the right man - were we spoiled with Turner (who had been sacked) , Saunders (from Yeovil) , Greaves (who had been sacked ) , Jim Smith (who had been sacked) two) , or even Horton (Lawro's assisant), Denis Smith or even boring Atkins - time for a much better appointment than those we have made since Denis Smith left for WBA
[quote][p][bold]OUFCwhelan[/bold] wrote: Wow. Keeping 7 players. Really? I don't think if we get a whole new squad and management we'll be challenging to go up or even a hogh place finish anytime soon. And it's not like we can afford to get a new squad of high class players, it would be league 2 average players that have never played with each other before. Annoys me how some Oxford fans don't think. -.-[/p][/quote](A) Fewer injury prone players (B) about eight new players of third and better fourth tier ability (largely free transfers - as nearly all will be) and (C) the use of our better young players WILL be enough for us to get out this division at the end next season - as long as we have a decent manager (as many very small clubs have). We are not asking for much - we have suffered since 1998 - far longer than most small clubs which are in League One, League Two or the Conference top division. Ensure that we get the right man - were we spoiled with Turner (who had been sacked) , Saunders (from Yeovil) , Greaves (who had been sacked ) , Jim Smith (who had been sacked) two) , or even Horton (Lawro's assisant), Denis Smith or even boring Atkins - time for a much better appointment than those we have made since Denis Smith left for WBA oldun
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Sat 30 Mar 13

oldun says...

Wright is a very good player but is not a 'leader'
Wright is a very good player but is not a 'leader' oldun
  • Score: 2

5:46pm Sat 30 Mar 13

Richard Wickson says...

greengarden wrote:
Doctor69 wrote:
Players, management, you are all a waste of space. Wilder and the vast majority of the squad out.

I would look to retain Clarke, Wright, Whing, Liam Davies, Batt, Potter and possibly Rigg. These players shouldn't be guaranteed first team each week, we need better quality throughout the squad, this would push the players on and keep them fighting for starts.
Good healthy competition.
What planet are you ok????

of course let replace the entire playing staff, the management, the owners lets go for a new ground as well.

hen we will win league....of course **!!*
I think Dr 69s point is that if we stay as we are we will win nothing, obviously you are one of those many fans that don't appear to want a team that does well, don't want a manager that has a clue and can inspire players and doesn't want OU to own the ground they play on, there seems to be an awful lot of you about. To me we should have ownership of the ground, it's necessary to get anywhere, you look around the League, the vast majority of clubs doing average or above own their ground, the Portsmouths etc who don't are the strugglers. It's also essential to have a manager who can inspire and players that can be inspired. Of those three this club has none, a big fat zero. The majority of fans deserve better but you are obviously one of those who happily settle for mediocrity.
[quote][p][bold]greengarden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor69[/bold] wrote: Players, management, you are all a waste of space. Wilder and the vast majority of the squad out. I would look to retain Clarke, Wright, Whing, Liam Davies, Batt, Potter and possibly Rigg. These players shouldn't be guaranteed first team each week, we need better quality throughout the squad, this would push the players on and keep them fighting for starts. Good healthy competition.[/p][/quote]What planet are you ok???? of course let replace the entire playing staff, the management, the owners lets go for a new ground as well. hen we will win league....of course **!!*[/p][/quote]I think Dr 69s point is that if we stay as we are we will win nothing, obviously you are one of those many fans that don't appear to want a team that does well, don't want a manager that has a clue and can inspire players and doesn't want OU to own the ground they play on, there seems to be an awful lot of you about. To me we should have ownership of the ground, it's necessary to get anywhere, you look around the League, the vast majority of clubs doing average or above own their ground, the Portsmouths etc who don't are the strugglers. It's also essential to have a manager who can inspire and players that can be inspired. Of those three this club has none, a big fat zero. The majority of fans deserve better but you are obviously one of those who happily settle for mediocrity. Richard Wickson
  • Score: 1

6:10pm Sat 30 Mar 13

Bathyellow says...

Let's look at facts here. 1) think IL is having difficulty with FK to buy the ground, does he really want to sell to us or the egg balls,?. I think not, he is making a bomb out of both clubs. 2) We are going nowhere with a Conference manager and players. 3) How much more money is IL family prepared to put in to keep us afloat, remember, he is not some Russian that owns Chelsea. 4) big worry is where do we go if IL says enough is enough and pulls out. 5) it took 40 years to get the ground we are on now. Where could we go if we went elsewhere?. As I said before, go joint with Oxford City develop Court Farm into a decent 15000 all seated stadium if that would be possible. One that's covered in properly not the outdated monstrosity we have to suffer , bring in a decent management team then we may start getting somewhere even if it takes a couple of seasons to do it, at least it would give us all some hope to go on.
Let's look at facts here. 1) think IL is having difficulty with FK to buy the ground, does he really want to sell to us or the egg balls,?. I think not, he is making a bomb out of both clubs. 2) We are going nowhere with a Conference manager and players. 3) How much more money is IL family prepared to put in to keep us afloat, remember, he is not some Russian that owns Chelsea. 4) big worry is where do we go if IL says enough is enough and pulls out. 5) it took 40 years to get the ground we are on now. Where could we go if we went elsewhere?. As I said before, go joint with Oxford City develop Court Farm into a decent 15000 all seated stadium if that would be possible. One that's covered in properly not the outdated monstrosity we have to suffer , bring in a decent management team then we may start getting somewhere even if it takes a couple of seasons to do it, at least it would give us all some hope to go on. Bathyellow
  • Score: 3

7:04pm Sat 30 Mar 13

adlibber says...

Managers who have done far better in half the time Wilder has had; Allen at Gillingham, Boothroyd at Northampton, Mickey Adams 2nd stint at Port Vale - None of these clubs has huge squads or budgets yet all of them have improved 2 likely to win automatic promotion and one has a chance in play offs. Whatever the arguments we have amongst ourselves about Wilder and our annual collapse at end of season the facts are that management has failed and players have disappointed - the one constant has been the remarkable support and loyalty of fans who deserve far better.

Wilder simply has to go he has nothing more to offer our club.
Managers who have done far better in half the time Wilder has had; Allen at Gillingham, Boothroyd at Northampton, Mickey Adams 2nd stint at Port Vale - None of these clubs has huge squads or budgets yet all of them have improved 2 likely to win automatic promotion and one has a chance in play offs. Whatever the arguments we have amongst ourselves about Wilder and our annual collapse at end of season the facts are that management has failed and players have disappointed - the one constant has been the remarkable support and loyalty of fans who deserve far better. Wilder simply has to go he has nothing more to offer our club. adlibber
  • Score: 4

7:41pm Sat 30 Mar 13

oldun says...

Hear , hear! Third place in the Conference was no big deal - even Luton ended above us
Hear , hear! Third place in the Conference was no big deal - even Luton ended above us oldun
  • Score: 2

10:01pm Sat 30 Mar 13

dorsetyellows says...

We have never looked like a team good enough to to gain promotion .
Thanks for some great away days this season . Hope the chairman now grabs the bull by the horns and can plan for next season now , seems lack of ambition is holding the club back , will be going to Aldershot mon all the same , COYY
We have never looked like a team good enough to to gain promotion . Thanks for some great away days this season . Hope the chairman now grabs the bull by the horns and can plan for next season now , seems lack of ambition is holding the club back , will be going to Aldershot mon all the same , COYY dorsetyellows
  • Score: 4

3:00am Sun 31 Mar 13

davecuddoufc says...

Bathyellow wrote:
Let's look at facts here. 1) think IL is having difficulty with FK to buy the ground, does he really want to sell to us or the egg balls,?. I think not, he is making a bomb out of both clubs. 2) We are going nowhere with a Conference manager and players. 3) How much more money is IL family prepared to put in to keep us afloat, remember, he is not some Russian that owns Chelsea. 4) big worry is where do we go if IL says enough is enough and pulls out. 5) it took 40 years to get the ground we are on now. Where could we go if we went elsewhere?. As I said before, go joint with Oxford City develop Court Farm into a decent 15000 all seated stadium if that would be possible. One that's covered in properly not the outdated monstrosity we have to suffer , bring in a decent management team then we may start getting somewhere even if it takes a couple of seasons to do it, at least it would give us all some hope to go on.
Totally agree with you, my friend.
[quote][p][bold]Bathyellow[/bold] wrote: Let's look at facts here. 1) think IL is having difficulty with FK to buy the ground, does he really want to sell to us or the egg balls,?. I think not, he is making a bomb out of both clubs. 2) We are going nowhere with a Conference manager and players. 3) How much more money is IL family prepared to put in to keep us afloat, remember, he is not some Russian that owns Chelsea. 4) big worry is where do we go if IL says enough is enough and pulls out. 5) it took 40 years to get the ground we are on now. Where could we go if we went elsewhere?. As I said before, go joint with Oxford City develop Court Farm into a decent 15000 all seated stadium if that would be possible. One that's covered in properly not the outdated monstrosity we have to suffer , bring in a decent management team then we may start getting somewhere even if it takes a couple of seasons to do it, at least it would give us all some hope to go on.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you, my friend. davecuddoufc
  • Score: 1

7:56am Sun 31 Mar 13

moonlight shadow says...

Martin Oneal is unemployed.I wonder if he would come to Oxford if offered a job.
Lets face it it would be a hell of a challenge to improve the whole structure of the club so we are promption material next season but he might fancy the challenge.
So, IL, put your hand in your pocket and offer him a decent wage to come here.
Or have you no ambission?
Martin Oneal is unemployed.I wonder if he would come to Oxford if offered a job. Lets face it it would be a hell of a challenge to improve the whole structure of the club so we are promption material next season but he might fancy the challenge. So, IL, put your hand in your pocket and offer him a decent wage to come here. Or have you no ambission? moonlight shadow
  • Score: 5

8:53am Sun 31 Mar 13

AylesburyOx says...

O'Neill for Oxford!!
O'Neill for Oxford!! AylesburyOx
  • Score: 4

10:17am Sun 31 Mar 13

roy burton's tights says...

Why is it the majority of people who post on here bury their heads in the sand. Last year the club made a loss and thanks to paying rent to Kassam will probably not make a profit this year. Despite this the manger and his staff have maintained our league position, yet many of the people who post on here want change and perhaps the debt of Swinedon, or the league position of Luton. Look at the positives and get behind the team and the management and with less injuries next year and a couple of playing changes we may get promotion the sensible way rather than the Swinedon way.
As for those moaning about the quality of our stadium have you never sat on the scaffolding at Gillingham
Why is it the majority of people who post on here bury their heads in the sand. Last year the club made a loss and thanks to paying rent to Kassam will probably not make a profit this year. Despite this the manger and his staff have maintained our league position, yet many of the people who post on here want change and perhaps the debt of Swinedon, or the league position of Luton. Look at the positives and get behind the team and the management and with less injuries next year and a couple of playing changes we may get promotion the sensible way rather than the Swinedon way. As for those moaning about the quality of our stadium have you never sat on the scaffolding at Gillingham roy burton's tights
  • Score: -4

10:29am Sun 31 Mar 13

Doctor69 says...

greengarden wrote:
Doctor69 wrote:
Players, management, you are all a waste of space. Wilder and the vast majority of the squad out.

I would look to retain Clarke, Wright, Whing, Liam Davies, Batt, Potter and possibly Rigg. These players shouldn't be guaranteed first team each week, we need better quality throughout the squad, this would push the players on and keep them fighting for starts.
Good healthy competition.
What planet are you ok????

of course let replace the entire playing staff, the management, the owners lets go for a new ground as well.

hen we will win league....of course **!!*
I would also keep the youth players as well. I was looking at first team squad. Rigg is a player who I would also probably keep. The trouble is that's the core of this years team, and we have really been poor....

So you would keep a large percentage of the under performing squad we have? How about the manager as well? They have done a great job this year haven't they?!

It's about using the budget wisely. We have players like Levan and Dubes on large wages who are continually injured. The money would be better spent on a few hungrier younger players. Constable is also a top earner, yes he runs around a lot, but his job is to score goals.....not spend all his time offside.

I think next season will be a struggle whoever is in charge. We have about 15 players out of contract and I honestly cannot see the point of keeping many.
Whoever the manager may be, will have a squad to build.

Would be very interested to see who you would retain playing wise. It's easy to critise others, but not put forward your own alternative. How about the managent trio, would you like them to get another season?
[quote][p][bold]greengarden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor69[/bold] wrote: Players, management, you are all a waste of space. Wilder and the vast majority of the squad out. I would look to retain Clarke, Wright, Whing, Liam Davies, Batt, Potter and possibly Rigg. These players shouldn't be guaranteed first team each week, we need better quality throughout the squad, this would push the players on and keep them fighting for starts. Good healthy competition.[/p][/quote]What planet are you ok???? of course let replace the entire playing staff, the management, the owners lets go for a new ground as well. hen we will win league....of course **!!*[/p][/quote]I would also keep the youth players as well. I was looking at first team squad. Rigg is a player who I would also probably keep. The trouble is that's the core of this years team, and we have really been poor.... So you would keep a large percentage of the under performing squad we have? How about the manager as well? They have done a great job this year haven't they?! It's about using the budget wisely. We have players like Levan and Dubes on large wages who are continually injured. The money would be better spent on a few hungrier younger players. Constable is also a top earner, yes he runs around a lot, but his job is to score goals.....not spend all his time offside. I think next season will be a struggle whoever is in charge. We have about 15 players out of contract and I honestly cannot see the point of keeping many. Whoever the manager may be, will have a squad to build. Would be very interested to see who you would retain playing wise. It's easy to critise others, but not put forward your own alternative. How about the managent trio, would you like them to get another season? Doctor69
  • Score: 4

10:44am Sun 31 Mar 13

Chish and Fips says...

roy burton's tights wrote:
Why is it the majority of people who post on here bury their heads in the sand. Last year the club made a loss and thanks to paying rent to Kassam will probably not make a profit this year. Despite this the manger and his staff have maintained our league position, yet many of the people who post on here want change and perhaps the debt of Swinedon, or the league position of Luton. Look at the positives and get behind the team and the management and with less injuries next year and a couple of playing changes we may get promotion the sensible way rather than the Swinedon way.
As for those moaning about the quality of our stadium have you never sat on the scaffolding at Gillingham
Whilst I appreciate your point of not doing it the Swindon way - where is your money going to come from with the present backers to get you out of the rut you are stuck in.
You seem to be heaping too much on one backer who basically is split between egg chasers and football. The payments for the Kebab Stadium seem to be the root of your problems. Sort that first, then build from there.
Unless you get some more rich backers I think you are snookered.
[quote][p][bold]roy burton's tights[/bold] wrote: Why is it the majority of people who post on here bury their heads in the sand. Last year the club made a loss and thanks to paying rent to Kassam will probably not make a profit this year. Despite this the manger and his staff have maintained our league position, yet many of the people who post on here want change and perhaps the debt of Swinedon, or the league position of Luton. Look at the positives and get behind the team and the management and with less injuries next year and a couple of playing changes we may get promotion the sensible way rather than the Swinedon way. As for those moaning about the quality of our stadium have you never sat on the scaffolding at Gillingham[/p][/quote]Whilst I appreciate your point of not doing it the Swindon way - where is your money going to come from with the present backers to get you out of the rut you are stuck in. You seem to be heaping too much on one backer who basically is split between egg chasers and football. The payments for the Kebab Stadium seem to be the root of your problems. Sort that first, then build from there. Unless you get some more rich backers I think you are snookered. Chish and Fips
  • Score: -1

11:10am Sun 31 Mar 13

oldun says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
roy burton's tights wrote:
Why is it the majority of people who post on here bury their heads in the sand. Last year the club made a loss and thanks to paying rent to Kassam will probably not make a profit this year. Despite this the manger and his staff have maintained our league position, yet many of the people who post on here want change and perhaps the debt of Swinedon, or the league position of Luton. Look at the positives and get behind the team and the management and with less injuries next year and a couple of playing changes we may get promotion the sensible way rather than the Swinedon way.
As for those moaning about the quality of our stadium have you never sat on the scaffolding at Gillingham
Whilst I appreciate your point of not doing it the Swindon way - where is your money going to come from with the present backers to get you out of the rut you are stuck in.
You seem to be heaping too much on one backer who basically is split between egg chasers and football. The payments for the Kebab Stadium seem to be the root of your problems. Sort that first, then build from there.
Unless you get some more rich backers I think you are snookered.
IL is a Rugby League fanatic - he will want most of all to restore them to the somewhere near their glory days of Jason Robinson, Dennis Betts, Shaun Edwards and the superstar Ellery Hanley - or even to the level that they werre when he was a boy - Billy Boston, Eric ashton , Joe Egan etc. Wigan can be one of the best clubs in the World , OUFC can't . Is he a football fan at all (Maxwell wasn't) - some chairmen Alan Sugar (included) hated the game - but he nailed Venables
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy burton's tights[/bold] wrote: Why is it the majority of people who post on here bury their heads in the sand. Last year the club made a loss and thanks to paying rent to Kassam will probably not make a profit this year. Despite this the manger and his staff have maintained our league position, yet many of the people who post on here want change and perhaps the debt of Swinedon, or the league position of Luton. Look at the positives and get behind the team and the management and with less injuries next year and a couple of playing changes we may get promotion the sensible way rather than the Swinedon way. As for those moaning about the quality of our stadium have you never sat on the scaffolding at Gillingham[/p][/quote]Whilst I appreciate your point of not doing it the Swindon way - where is your money going to come from with the present backers to get you out of the rut you are stuck in. You seem to be heaping too much on one backer who basically is split between egg chasers and football. The payments for the Kebab Stadium seem to be the root of your problems. Sort that first, then build from there. Unless you get some more rich backers I think you are snookered.[/p][/quote]IL is a Rugby League fanatic - he will want most of all to restore them to the somewhere near their glory days of Jason Robinson, Dennis Betts, Shaun Edwards and the superstar Ellery Hanley - or even to the level that they werre when he was a boy - Billy Boston, Eric ashton , Joe Egan etc. Wigan can be one of the best clubs in the World , OUFC can't . Is he a football fan at all (Maxwell wasn't) - some chairmen Alan Sugar (included) hated the game - but he nailed Venables oldun
  • Score: 1

11:45am Sun 31 Mar 13

bigchet says...

once again we were punished for our inability to defend set pieces this coupled with shot shy forwards mean that we are going to struggle for results. surely its basic to tell players tom pick up their opposite number at free kicks and corners but we dont seem able to do it. as far as scoring goes the midfield contributes zero in that department, chapman is doing it for mansfield but he didnt do it here. oh for the days of brock,thomas hebberd houghton or tony jones.
once again we were punished for our inability to defend set pieces this coupled with shot shy forwards mean that we are going to struggle for results. surely its basic to tell players tom pick up their opposite number at free kicks and corners but we dont seem able to do it. as far as scoring goes the midfield contributes zero in that department, chapman is doing it for mansfield but he didnt do it here. oh for the days of brock,thomas hebberd houghton or tony jones. bigchet
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Sun 31 Mar 13

oldun says...

bigchet wrote:
once again we were punished for our inability to defend set pieces this coupled with shot shy forwards mean that we are going to struggle for results. surely its basic to tell players tom pick up their opposite number at free kicks and corners but we dont seem able to do it. as far as scoring goes the midfield contributes zero in that department, chapman is doing it for mansfield but he didnt do it here. oh for the days of brock,thomas hebberd houghton or tony jones.
or even Magilton, Phillips and (even) Lewis. Even I realise that you were not talking only about central midfield but looking at the the post Magilton period, United must have had the worst central midfield (even by lower division standards - we have had very few who were nonentities - very few athletes - very few good ball winners - very few creative players - even by third or fourth division standard ) . Bobby Ford and Dean Whitehead were often placed out wide - or even put on the bench to make way for nonentities. I bet than you can reel off the names of far too many 'nothing players' who have populated central midfield. Wingers Simpson, Brock Beauchamp and Houghton and central midfielders Hebberd and Magilton were of course playing against much better opponents. Happy days
[quote][p][bold]bigchet[/bold] wrote: once again we were punished for our inability to defend set pieces this coupled with shot shy forwards mean that we are going to struggle for results. surely its basic to tell players tom pick up their opposite number at free kicks and corners but we dont seem able to do it. as far as scoring goes the midfield contributes zero in that department, chapman is doing it for mansfield but he didnt do it here. oh for the days of brock,thomas hebberd houghton or tony jones.[/p][/quote]or even Magilton, Phillips and (even) Lewis. Even I realise that you were not talking only about central midfield but looking at the the post Magilton period, United must have had the worst central midfield (even by lower division standards - we have had very few who were nonentities - very few athletes - very few good ball winners - very few creative players - even by third or fourth division standard ) . Bobby Ford and Dean Whitehead were often placed out wide - or even put on the bench to make way for nonentities. I bet than you can reel off the names of far too many 'nothing players' who have populated central midfield. Wingers Simpson, Brock Beauchamp and Houghton and central midfielders Hebberd and Magilton were of course playing against much better opponents. Happy days oldun
  • Score: 1

12:13pm Sun 31 Mar 13

35 year fan says...

oldun wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
roy burton's tights wrote:
Why is it the majority of people who post on here bury their heads in the sand. Last year the club made a loss and thanks to paying rent to Kassam will probably not make a profit this year. Despite this the manger and his staff have maintained our league position, yet many of the people who post on here want change and perhaps the debt of Swinedon, or the league position of Luton. Look at the positives and get behind the team and the management and with less injuries next year and a couple of playing changes we may get promotion the sensible way rather than the Swinedon way.
As for those moaning about the quality of our stadium have you never sat on the scaffolding at Gillingham
Whilst I appreciate your point of not doing it the Swindon way - where is your money going to come from with the present backers to get you out of the rut you are stuck in.
You seem to be heaping too much on one backer who basically is split between egg chasers and football. The payments for the Kebab Stadium seem to be the root of your problems. Sort that first, then build from there.
Unless you get some more rich backers I think you are snookered.
IL is a Rugby League fanatic - he will want most of all to restore them to the somewhere near their glory days of Jason Robinson, Dennis Betts, Shaun Edwards and the superstar Ellery Hanley - or even to the level that they werre when he was a boy - Billy Boston, Eric ashton , Joe Egan etc. Wigan can be one of the best clubs in the World , OUFC can't . Is he a football fan at all (Maxwell wasn't) - some chairmen Alan Sugar (included) hated the game - but he nailed Venables
very dangerous to rely on rich backers financing regular losses unless they are very very rich and truly fanatical about the club. as our friends down the a420 have found even very rich guys can have a change of mind and quickly leave you in a very serious mess.

given a bit of success on the pitch there is no reason why the club cant grow attendances and do well at a higher level. the population catchment area is there. we just need to find the manager and the players to deliver it.
[quote][p][bold]oldun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy burton's tights[/bold] wrote: Why is it the majority of people who post on here bury their heads in the sand. Last year the club made a loss and thanks to paying rent to Kassam will probably not make a profit this year. Despite this the manger and his staff have maintained our league position, yet many of the people who post on here want change and perhaps the debt of Swinedon, or the league position of Luton. Look at the positives and get behind the team and the management and with less injuries next year and a couple of playing changes we may get promotion the sensible way rather than the Swinedon way. As for those moaning about the quality of our stadium have you never sat on the scaffolding at Gillingham[/p][/quote]Whilst I appreciate your point of not doing it the Swindon way - where is your money going to come from with the present backers to get you out of the rut you are stuck in. You seem to be heaping too much on one backer who basically is split between egg chasers and football. The payments for the Kebab Stadium seem to be the root of your problems. Sort that first, then build from there. Unless you get some more rich backers I think you are snookered.[/p][/quote]IL is a Rugby League fanatic - he will want most of all to restore them to the somewhere near their glory days of Jason Robinson, Dennis Betts, Shaun Edwards and the superstar Ellery Hanley - or even to the level that they werre when he was a boy - Billy Boston, Eric ashton , Joe Egan etc. Wigan can be one of the best clubs in the World , OUFC can't . Is he a football fan at all (Maxwell wasn't) - some chairmen Alan Sugar (included) hated the game - but he nailed Venables[/p][/quote]very dangerous to rely on rich backers financing regular losses unless they are very very rich and truly fanatical about the club. as our friends down the a420 have found even very rich guys can have a change of mind and quickly leave you in a very serious mess. given a bit of success on the pitch there is no reason why the club cant grow attendances and do well at a higher level. the population catchment area is there. we just need to find the manager and the players to deliver it. 35 year fan
  • Score: 2

12:20pm Sun 31 Mar 13

oldun says...

oldun wrote:
bigchet wrote:
once again we were punished for our inability to defend set pieces this coupled with shot shy forwards mean that we are going to struggle for results. surely its basic to tell players tom pick up their opposite number at free kicks and corners but we dont seem able to do it. as far as scoring goes the midfield contributes zero in that department, chapman is doing it for mansfield but he didnt do it here. oh for the days of brock,thomas hebberd houghton or tony jones.
or even Magilton, Phillips and (even) Lewis. Even I realise that you were not talking only about central midfield but looking at the the post Magilton period, United must have had the worst central midfield (even by lower division standards - we have had very few who were nonentities - very few athletes - very few good ball winners - very few creative players - even by third or fourth division standard ) . Bobby Ford and Dean Whitehead were often placed out wide - or even put on the bench to make way for nonentities. I bet than you can reel off the names of far too many 'nothing players' who have populated central midfield. Wingers Simpson, Brock Beauchamp and Houghton and central midfielders Hebberd and Magilton were of course playing against much better opponents. Happy days
I meant to say ". very few who were NOT nonentities.. " - these 'grandadly' moments . Generally they are not creative, can not tackle and are not athletes - even by lower division standards . Name United central midfielders who were not nonentities in the post Magilton era (apart from Ford and Whitehead who rarely played there)
[quote][p][bold]oldun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigchet[/bold] wrote: once again we were punished for our inability to defend set pieces this coupled with shot shy forwards mean that we are going to struggle for results. surely its basic to tell players tom pick up their opposite number at free kicks and corners but we dont seem able to do it. as far as scoring goes the midfield contributes zero in that department, chapman is doing it for mansfield but he didnt do it here. oh for the days of brock,thomas hebberd houghton or tony jones.[/p][/quote]or even Magilton, Phillips and (even) Lewis. Even I realise that you were not talking only about central midfield but looking at the the post Magilton period, United must have had the worst central midfield (even by lower division standards - we have had very few who were nonentities - very few athletes - very few good ball winners - very few creative players - even by third or fourth division standard ) . Bobby Ford and Dean Whitehead were often placed out wide - or even put on the bench to make way for nonentities. I bet than you can reel off the names of far too many 'nothing players' who have populated central midfield. Wingers Simpson, Brock Beauchamp and Houghton and central midfielders Hebberd and Magilton were of course playing against much better opponents. Happy days[/p][/quote]I meant to say ". very few who were NOT nonentities.. " - these 'grandadly' moments . Generally they are not creative, can not tackle and are not athletes - even by lower division standards . Name United central midfielders who were not nonentities in the post Magilton era (apart from Ford and Whitehead who rarely played there) oldun
  • Score: 1

12:28pm Sun 31 Mar 13

moonlight shadow says...

Given Kassam was not a football man, merely using our club to line his pockets, us loyal fans are right to be wary of owners/chairmen, After that experience of a spectacular nose-dive to the conference thanks to him
If you think of the past 30-40 years the famous John Lennon quote comes to mind " Never trust man in a suite" I certainly do not.
Our working man's sport has been hijacked by the rich (and sky tv) and as we all know, their type are only interested in making themselves even richer.
Oh for a genuine Oxford United supporter who happens to be loaded and willing to invest in the club.
Perhaps Jim Rosenthall and his mates would have been the answer rather than Kassam.
I fear we will be watching division 4 ( that's what it rearly is) football or some time under the present regime.
Given Kassam was not a football man, merely using our club to line his pockets, us loyal fans are right to be wary of owners/chairmen, After that experience of a spectacular nose-dive to the conference thanks to him If you think of the past 30-40 years the famous John Lennon quote comes to mind " Never trust man in a suite" I certainly do not. Our working man's sport has been hijacked by the rich (and sky tv) and as we all know, their type are only interested in making themselves even richer. Oh for a genuine Oxford United supporter who happens to be loaded and willing to invest in the club. Perhaps Jim Rosenthall and his mates would have been the answer rather than Kassam. I fear we will be watching division 4 ( that's what it rearly is) football or some time under the present regime. moonlight shadow
  • Score: 3

1:11pm Sun 31 Mar 13

Chish and Fips says...

35 year fan wrote:
oldun wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
roy burton's tights wrote:
Why is it the majority of people who post on here bury their heads in the sand. Last year the club made a loss and thanks to paying rent to Kassam will probably not make a profit this year. Despite this the manger and his staff have maintained our league position, yet many of the people who post on here want change and perhaps the debt of Swinedon, or the league position of Luton. Look at the positives and get behind the team and the management and with less injuries next year and a couple of playing changes we may get promotion the sensible way rather than the Swinedon way.
As for those moaning about the quality of our stadium have you never sat on the scaffolding at Gillingham
Whilst I appreciate your point of not doing it the Swindon way - where is your money going to come from with the present backers to get you out of the rut you are stuck in.
You seem to be heaping too much on one backer who basically is split between egg chasers and football. The payments for the Kebab Stadium seem to be the root of your problems. Sort that first, then build from there.
Unless you get some more rich backers I think you are snookered.
IL is a Rugby League fanatic - he will want most of all to restore them to the somewhere near their glory days of Jason Robinson, Dennis Betts, Shaun Edwards and the superstar Ellery Hanley - or even to the level that they werre when he was a boy - Billy Boston, Eric ashton , Joe Egan etc. Wigan can be one of the best clubs in the World , OUFC can't . Is he a football fan at all (Maxwell wasn't) - some chairmen Alan Sugar (included) hated the game - but he nailed Venables
very dangerous to rely on rich backers financing regular losses unless they are very very rich and truly fanatical about the club. as our friends down the a420 have found even very rich guys can have a change of mind and quickly leave you in a very serious mess.

given a bit of success on the pitch there is no reason why the club cant grow attendances and do well at a higher level. the population catchment area is there. we just need to find the manager and the players to deliver it.
Yes agreed 35YF the Jack Walkers etc are few and far between, but I think you need the cash releasing from the Ground rent to enable or increasing the chances of developing. There is too much dead cash going out.
[quote][p][bold]35 year fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy burton's tights[/bold] wrote: Why is it the majority of people who post on here bury their heads in the sand. Last year the club made a loss and thanks to paying rent to Kassam will probably not make a profit this year. Despite this the manger and his staff have maintained our league position, yet many of the people who post on here want change and perhaps the debt of Swinedon, or the league position of Luton. Look at the positives and get behind the team and the management and with less injuries next year and a couple of playing changes we may get promotion the sensible way rather than the Swinedon way. As for those moaning about the quality of our stadium have you never sat on the scaffolding at Gillingham[/p][/quote]Whilst I appreciate your point of not doing it the Swindon way - where is your money going to come from with the present backers to get you out of the rut you are stuck in. You seem to be heaping too much on one backer who basically is split between egg chasers and football. The payments for the Kebab Stadium seem to be the root of your problems. Sort that first, then build from there. Unless you get some more rich backers I think you are snookered.[/p][/quote]IL is a Rugby League fanatic - he will want most of all to restore them to the somewhere near their glory days of Jason Robinson, Dennis Betts, Shaun Edwards and the superstar Ellery Hanley - or even to the level that they werre when he was a boy - Billy Boston, Eric ashton , Joe Egan etc. Wigan can be one of the best clubs in the World , OUFC can't . Is he a football fan at all (Maxwell wasn't) - some chairmen Alan Sugar (included) hated the game - but he nailed Venables[/p][/quote]very dangerous to rely on rich backers financing regular losses unless they are very very rich and truly fanatical about the club. as our friends down the a420 have found even very rich guys can have a change of mind and quickly leave you in a very serious mess. given a bit of success on the pitch there is no reason why the club cant grow attendances and do well at a higher level. the population catchment area is there. we just need to find the manager and the players to deliver it.[/p][/quote]Yes agreed 35YF the Jack Walkers etc are few and far between, but I think you need the cash releasing from the Ground rent to enable or increasing the chances of developing. There is too much dead cash going out. Chish and Fips
  • Score: -1

3:13pm Sun 31 Mar 13

bigchet says...

interestingly enough chish i note that you are still paying ground rent to the local council for the county ground and that the lease is up for renewal soon. i think a lot of your fans thought you owned the ground outright but that is not the case. iwould imagine the council would be a lot more reasonable than the robber kassam but its still money that must be found and as you put it effectively dead money.
interestingly enough chish i note that you are still paying ground rent to the local council for the county ground and that the lease is up for renewal soon. i think a lot of your fans thought you owned the ground outright but that is not the case. iwould imagine the council would be a lot more reasonable than the robber kassam but its still money that must be found and as you put it effectively dead money. bigchet
  • Score: 0

5:01pm Sun 31 Mar 13

Chish and Fips says...

bigchet wrote:
interestingly enough chish i note that you are still paying ground rent to the local council for the county ground and that the lease is up for renewal soon. i think a lot of your fans thought you owned the ground outright but that is not the case. iwould imagine the council would be a lot more reasonable than the robber kassam but its still money that must be found and as you put it effectively dead money.
Yes BC correct regards our ground - believe also there is some covenant on it too, which restricts development.
Not sure about lease which way that will go, and whether this is part and parcel with our new owners plans . Land prices in centre of town could go for silly money and perhaps the council will be tempted to sell if they can (re covenant).
No doubt it will be complicated - we never do things the easy way.
[quote][p][bold]bigchet[/bold] wrote: interestingly enough chish i note that you are still paying ground rent to the local council for the county ground and that the lease is up for renewal soon. i think a lot of your fans thought you owned the ground outright but that is not the case. iwould imagine the council would be a lot more reasonable than the robber kassam but its still money that must be found and as you put it effectively dead money.[/p][/quote]Yes BC correct regards our ground - believe also there is some covenant on it too, which restricts development. Not sure about lease which way that will go, and whether this is part and parcel with our new owners plans . Land prices in centre of town could go for silly money and perhaps the council will be tempted to sell if they can (re covenant). No doubt it will be complicated - we never do things the easy way. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 0

11:17pm Sun 31 Mar 13

hawkeye1 says...

bigchet wrote:
interestingly enough chish i note that you are still paying ground rent to the local council for the county ground and that the lease is up for renewal soon. i think a lot of your fans thought you owned the ground outright but that is not the case. iwould imagine the council would be a lot more reasonable than the robber kassam but its still money that must be found and as you put it effectively dead money.
bc, I agree about someone coming in to invest in Oxford, our problem as you say is that GREEDY, tight fisted, money hungry owner Kassam, we are in a catch 22, if we were doing really good in the league, with attendaces going way up, Kassam would just increase the rent to take away the extra income, with money they say you cannot take it with you, but I think Kassam would find a way.
[quote][p][bold]bigchet[/bold] wrote: interestingly enough chish i note that you are still paying ground rent to the local council for the county ground and that the lease is up for renewal soon. i think a lot of your fans thought you owned the ground outright but that is not the case. iwould imagine the council would be a lot more reasonable than the robber kassam but its still money that must be found and as you put it effectively dead money.[/p][/quote]bc, I agree about someone coming in to invest in Oxford, our problem as you say is that GREEDY, tight fisted, money hungry owner Kassam, we are in a catch 22, if we were doing really good in the league, with attendaces going way up, Kassam would just increase the rent to take away the extra income, with money they say you cannot take it with you, but I think Kassam would find a way. hawkeye1
  • Score: 0

4:12pm Mon 1 Apr 13

OUFCwhelan says...

So many diluted fans on here jheez. We can't replace the whole squad you plebs we don't have the money! And we're not gonna get that many decent players on free transfer - the reason their on free is normally cause their **** - and we've got one youth player who's ready to step up to the plate and that's marsh. Not many others, in my opinion, are ready. Granted we do need a new manager but I'd rather just change the manager rather than the WHOLE CLUB!!!
So many diluted fans on here jheez. We can't replace the whole squad you plebs we don't have the money! And we're not gonna get that many decent players on free transfer - the reason their on free is normally cause their **** - and we've got one youth player who's ready to step up to the plate and that's marsh. Not many others, in my opinion, are ready. Granted we do need a new manager but I'd rather just change the manager rather than the WHOLE CLUB!!! OUFCwhelan
  • Score: 0

4:30pm Mon 1 Apr 13

oldun says...

OUFCwhelan wrote:
So many diluted fans on here jheez. We can't replace the whole squad you plebs we don't have the money! And we're not gonna get that many decent players on free transfer - the reason their on free is normally cause their **** - and we've got one youth player who's ready to step up to the plate and that's marsh. Not many others, in my opinion, are ready. Granted we do need a new manager but I'd rather just change the manager rather than the WHOLE CLUB!!!
Money ? They would be paid the money which the outgoing ten were paid. Many excellent free transfers available each year - it is just that CW can not find them . Shall we let the big boys like Cheltenham and Northampton sign em
[quote][p][bold]OUFCwhelan[/bold] wrote: So many diluted fans on here jheez. We can't replace the whole squad you plebs we don't have the money! And we're not gonna get that many decent players on free transfer - the reason their on free is normally cause their **** - and we've got one youth player who's ready to step up to the plate and that's marsh. Not many others, in my opinion, are ready. Granted we do need a new manager but I'd rather just change the manager rather than the WHOLE CLUB!!![/p][/quote]Money ? They would be paid the money which the outgoing ten were paid. Many excellent free transfers available each year - it is just that CW can not find them . Shall we let the big boys like Cheltenham and Northampton sign em oldun
  • Score: 0

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