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CRICKET: Bourton Vale player banned until 2012

11:50am Tuesday 20th July 2010 in


A cricketer has been banned until 2012 after an MP Sports Cherwell League disciplinary hearing.

Bourton Vale’s Mark Whitney received the lengthy suspension at the hearing into their Division 1 match at Cumnor on July 3.

During that match, a throw to the wicket-keeper struck Cumnor batsman John Williams on the head.

This prompted a confrontation that ended with Whitney leaving the pitch after being asked to by the umpires Mick Stockwell and David Blake.

Whitney has been banned from playing any Cherwell League cricket until 2012 and must send letters of apologies to Cumnor CC and the umpires before he can play again.

Cherwell League secretary Peter Tomlin said: “It was a very serious incident.”

The punishment was particularly strong as Whitney had previously received a two-match ban after an incident with the crowd in a Division 1 match at Horspath earlier this season.

At the same hearing, Bourton Vale were deducted 50 points. This has been suspended for the remainder of the season, providing no further discplinary report of any level is received.

Bourton Vale captain Paul Lazenbury has been bannned for four matches, with two of them suspended for the rest of the season, pending any further disciplinary breach.

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Phil J says...
12:07pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Well that pretty much deals with the issue of what happens if you can't behave yourself. To get done once in a season is silly, to get done twice shows an attitude problem of epic proportions. It is supposed to be fun, and if it gets you that stressed out then you need to find a new hobby. Idiot.........

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cweb says...
12:22pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Exactly - it's a sport which we play to enjoy ourselves. Turning out every week, often travelling miles in the process to have one or two spoil it for the rest is just not worth the hassle.

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Malik says...
1:17pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Feel slighty sorry for the captain. Lets hope the team can behave themselves for him.

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ellaye says...
1:35pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Oh dont feel sorry for the captain his punishment is deserved....

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cleverswindler says...
2:00pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Wonder how the Parmar so called incident will be dealt with?

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Malik says...
2:08pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Its been dealt with, there was an article on here

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Power says...
2:18pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Anyway, the parmar incident happened in a diferent league so not really relevant to how this one has been dealt with. To be honest, I dont understand why people have to be overly aggresive and nasty on a cricket pitch full stop. If they want to go down that road there are plenty of games willing to accomodate characters like that only they may find they get the crap kicked out of them if they try to act the hard man.

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Droopy Willows says...
2:43pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Indeed Power. Play i footy in the NBFL and the UTVL and can't remember the last time i was constantly verbally abused and threatened. Everyweek in the cherwell league somebody has to act the big hardman. Why? I was greeted at the crease a few weeks back with "lets get in this f@@ks face" followed by "lets f@@king see what this c@@ts like". Just not needed in any sport. They guy was at short extra cover so umpire must of heard! cricketers and the new footballers

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cleverswindler says...
3:39pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Fully agree Malik, a little humorous banter is fine, but it goes way beyond that, and why I just don't know, the cricket we all play is to be enjoyed (or so I thought) I've been away, so hadn't heard the latest on the Parmar incident, what was the verdict?

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Sunday Offie! says...
3:58pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Sounds like good chat! Love it!

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CRICKET FAN says...
4:02pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Power wrote:
Anyway, the parmar incident happened in a diferent league so not really relevant to how this one has been dealt with. To be honest, I dont understand why people have to be overly aggresive and nasty on a cricket pitch full stop. If they want to go down that road there are plenty of games willing to accomodate characters like that only they may find they get the crap kicked out of them if they try to act the hard man.
Spot on with this comment. Give them an oval ball and lose that aggression you clowns.

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Malik says...
4:48pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Parmar got 2 weeks i think??? correct me if im wrong.

Anyway this incident, He deliberately hit williams or was it the altercation afterward that got him a ban?

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White Denim says...
8:25pm Tue 20 Jul 10

Not sure of the details of the incident, but it is obviously serious enough to warrant serious punishment and the CL should be commended for being decisive.
The thing that interests me is BV deducted 50 points suspended to the end of the season. 50 points off currently puts them in the relegation places. What is there to stop some of the more unscrupulous in the league from trying to manufacture an incident to make sure the 50 points are taken off? I can think of certain players that will be scheming as I write, especially given old moonhead's popularity levels around the county? Could be some controversy come the end of the season if things remain tight at the bottom?

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Power says...
8:28am Wed 21 Jul 10

Thats BVs problem, not any other clubs. Rowant are in the same position with a suspended sentence and seem to be able to control themselves now.

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Negative Line says...
8:39am Wed 21 Jul 10

This lad seems a little unlucky, John Williams head takes up a large area of any cricket pitch!

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CRICKET FAN says...
9:35am Wed 21 Jul 10

John Williams is a good cricketer and did not desrve this. I applaud the exec on this one, get these idiots out of our game. The boy at BV needs help hope the club are supporting him with his care. Re the captain he owes a duty of care to his own palyers and again, well done the exec.

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theashes says...
10:35am Wed 21 Jul 10

The captain was asked to remove the player and refused to do so and therefore he fully deserves a ban. If the captains will not take a lead in sorting their players out (or act as stupidly as their players) then it is time for the umpires to be proactive and tell players to shut it if what they have to say is designed to get in the batters head. Just encourage your bowler and team mates and get on with it (and enjoy the game).

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Power says...
12:08pm Wed 21 Jul 10

If thats the case then the captain deserves a much longer ban. The last year or so have been sad times for the degeneration of conduct on the pitch and if this discourages those actions then the league and the game will be the better for it.

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spenbadger says...
12:25pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Power is correct 100% This sort of attitude is now far too common in our game. Each individual has to be responsible for his own conduct and actions. The clubs should not support any player or supporter who behaves in this way. Umpires will simply cease to get involved if this continues. No umpires - no games ! The players and team officials have to see sense before its too late ! This is Saturday recreation. Play as hard as you can but do not degrade the game with this stupidity

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Sargent Pepper says...
2:43pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Who or what is moonhead?

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rusty roof says...
3:03pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Think some of the chaps on here should take up marbles if the cant take the banter!!! As long as things don't get personal ie: family, religion, sexual orientation then there shouldn't be a problem. We all shake hands after the game and what's been said and done inside the white lines stays there. Think some people just need to toughen up!!!
As for the bans. What happened after the batter was hit in the head? Cos surely if he's had a go at this lad then should he not be banned also? And Lazer, he got what he deserved!!!

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cleverswindler says...
3:37pm Wed 21 Jul 10

You don't get the main point here Rusty, it's because of all the inane and very aggressive chat aimed at the batsman etc, these aggressive incidents flare up.

I've lost count of the f words etc that have been in my face whilst batting in the last few years, there are a black list of the worst offenders, which I won't bother to name on here. It's sad, and as someone pointed out earlier, you won't get umpires wanting to give up their afternoons, and then what?

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Power says...
3:43pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Rusty, most of the incidents in the last year or so have been as a direct result of idiots mouthing off and then getting upset when someone reacts violently. I have played in lots of games where there has been loads of chat, but mostly meant in fun and the good comments make you laugh, even if they are a little personal. If these idiots who think personal abuse and an unpleasantly aggressive attitude to the opposition is the defintion of playing 'tough' cricket then they need to grow up. It simply wouldnt be considered acceptable in a higher grade of cricket and they wouldnt last very long, and lets be honest, the cherwell league is hardly the pinnacle of achievment in the game.

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has anyone seen my hamstring says...
4:23pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Power, you are right banter is, and should be funny not personal, if it is insulting that is wrong.
you deserve everything you get, if you insult somebody.
maybe we should use the word 'cherwell rage' as a comments that arise borne out of frustration at the rules of the CL, when you are watching Banbury bat out for another draw after they have put you in.

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vigalco says...
5:47pm Wed 21 Jul 10

This is absolute codswallop! From reading all the comments above it is crystal clear that the majority of contributors have absolutely no comprehension of the modern game! The Cherwell League is (correct me if im wrong) 3 or 4 leagues below the W of E Premier and as so is an amateur country league. I can understand the players involved in a flare up may get banned but what on earth is the Captain banned for? This is total lunacy! Anyone involved in the game at any decent level will know these things happen week in week out and captains have got little or no influence over players. In fact the majority of captains nowadays are only in the position because there is no-one else to do it! Would also add that in my 20 odd years of playing, I have never come across a rule that allows players to be sent off!!! Disciplinary Panel decision on the captain smacks of jobsworth committee members with power gone to their heads! I wonder if any of that panel were under 50?

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theashes says...
6:46pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Sorry Vicalgo and Rusty

You are simply wrong. This is being clamped down on from the top of the game down and if the authorities in your area (Stow ?) are behind the eight ball on this then they had better catch up. It is no good calling it banter when it is designed to wind up and get in the head of the batter and if the captains won't stamp it out then the umpires will have to.

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Captain Birdseye says...
7:08pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Why don't they just suspend oxford cricket full stop. Everyweek now we are getting scandals like this, if they wish to behave like this, why don't they go and play football. The great W.G. would be turning in his grave.

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Malik says...
7:38pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Every week, there are 5 games played in 10 divisions and there is a reported problem in maybe one game.... im going to say that makes it 2% not exactly like they need to suspend oxford cricket now is it.

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spenbadger says...
8:17pm Wed 21 Jul 10

rusty roof wrote:
Think some of the chaps on here should take up marbles if the cant take the banter!!! As long as things don't get personal ie: family, religion, sexual orientation then there shouldn't be a problem. We all shake hands after the game and what's been said and done inside the white lines stays there. Think some people just need to toughen up!!! As for the bans. What happened after the batter was hit in the head? Cos surely if he's had a go at this lad then should he not be banned also? And Lazer, he got what he deserved!!!
Thats the problem encapsulated in about 3 lines. Its not banter,its personal and must of the offenders do not bother to shake hands, leave it on the pitch and go and have a drink together. It just escalates until on a hot day someone looses their rag. I think that at least 90% of the comments on here agree by and large with the gist of my comments and at least 90% play or have played within the last 5 seasons. They are just decent blokes getting feed up with these idiots ruining their sport and relaxtion time

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vigalco says...
9:04pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Theashes......have you played the game at a decent level? I can tell you that you are misguided in your belief that the game is being dealt with from the top down! These incidents happen all over the country in every league from Premier to Cherwell Leagues week in week out! Im afraid the days of a gentle village game on a sat/sun are long gone ever since the inception of promotion/relegation cricket. You simply cannot make a sport be ultra competitive in 1 aspect and hope to take it out in another!

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rusty roof says...
9:19pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Why not ban all chat from the pitch then??? Even banter that 99% of people find funny may just get in the batters head and apparently no one wants that. As you go up the divisions and leagues its not just a game about bat and ball but fitness, skill and mental toughness and if batters can't handle opposition players trying to put them off their game then drop to a lower level.
And spenbadger i don't know what level you play at but in all my years i've never not had my hand shook by opposition players and that includes Banbury, Oxford and Buckingham whom have never been afraid to tell you what they think.

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theashes says...
9:48pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Yes Vicalgo ....and I can tell you this is right at the top of the agenda and I have seen it improving recently where captains and clubs have got the message (sometimes after they have been hammered for it first) and it will continue to do so as the authorities get tougher. It is rubbish to say players cannot play competitively without seeking to wind up their opponents.

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halfvolleysgetwickets says...
10:07pm Wed 21 Jul 10

The comments on here are pretty funny, this incident wasnt about banter the guys threw a mass of abuse at each other the batsmen was upset because the ball had hit him on the head. the guy who threw the ball is a head case and lost his head further. The majority of his ban i would imagine was for the fact he pushed the umpire and threw a large amount of abuse at people watching. he was even asked to stop swearing by a mother who had kids there and she got a mouthful aswell. ban fully deserved captain fully deserved ban, batsman lucky not to get some sort of ban. As for the problems in the cherwell, there not as bad as people are making out, you get a load of competitive men on a sports field there are going to be problems every now and again.

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has anyone seen my hamstring says...
10:18pm Wed 21 Jul 10

the bloke from stow vigaclo or whatever his name is, is clearly a BV player and seems to think that this type of behaviour is acceptable. you signed up to the league and all the rules and regulations that go with it. As for a captain having no influence over his players that just about sums it up. players should respect theIr captain, and should be aware that you are representing YOUR CLUB, what level have you played viagra? (or whatever your name is)
i predict BV will be -50 points before the end of the season.

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vigalco says...
10:53pm Wed 21 Jul 10

"has anyone seen my talent" should be your name! For the record I do not play for Bourton Vale but would be interested which captain you'd played for that demanded so much respect and in what high class league!Village cricket by chance?

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Malik says...
10:57pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Vigalco i suggest you keep taking your medication.

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fronfoot says...
11:47pm Wed 21 Jul 10

An entertaining read, particularly the "banter" (time to shake hands now?).

There are some in the Cherwell League that mistake the art of getting in the oppositions mind with abuse. Mostly they seem to be those with least ability and can usually be dismissed for being highly strung as a consequence of their nerves.

They appear at all levels but there do seem to be more of them in the Cherwell League. Good captaincy is the key which is perhaps why it is harsh but correct that skippers share the punishments.

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has anyone seen my hamstring says...
7:20am Thu 22 Jul 10

Dear Viagra, you seem to be banging about what level of cricket you have played and seem to want to equate behaviour standards to the level the players are playing at.
behaviour should be across the board regardless of what team you are playing in. Educate the youngsters at all clubs and teach them how to behave properly from a very early age and this problem will cease apart from the few who will get punished like the boys from BV, and if thats the case they deserved it.Viagra, I am, as you correctly guessed a village cricketer but I know the values both on and off the field. whatever level I have played matters not.

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CRICKET FAN says...
7:38am Thu 22 Jul 10

He is trying to wind people up and has clearly done so. Lets move on BV have been dealt with. A precedent has been set if you throw cricket balls at peoples heads, and lose the plot as a consequence you dont play for 2 years.

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Power says...
8:41am Thu 22 Jul 10

Perhaps Vigalco missed last season and the violent incidents witnessed from the HCPL down to a fairly low division of the CL. The fact is, fights have happened because 1. Captains were weak 2. Umpires did not either have the bottle or gumption to talk to the players before these incidents happened and 3. Players had no self control. Captains are and have laways been held responsible for the conduct of their players. Umpires now have the power to sort these problems out, which by all accounts was a necessity in this case. Players have to be held responsible for their conduct and accept the consequences. Vigalco, if you think any of the incidents of full on fighting, racial and personal abuse, throwing balls at opposition batsmen etc are even remotely acceptable you are deranged, and whats more I would say you have no ingrained personal standards within yourself either. You clearly have not played at a high level yourself or you would not have made these comments. If you cant play a game without lowering yourself to these standards you have no place in the game at all.

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cleverswindler says...
9:33am Thu 22 Jul 10

Well said Power, haven't got a lot to add to that, only that the odd WUM seems to appear on here from time to time, I think most of the regulars on here, will agree whole heartedly with what you have said.

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Steps TDCR says...
10:03am Thu 22 Jul 10

I have something to add Power, as you know I am the Wikipedia of Village Cricket and would like to point out that Vigalco is Portuguese for beam or rafter, most commonly used to describe the point at which a Church bell is connected to allow it to swing freely, or to take the word literally it would be a BELL END.

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Power says...
10:09am Thu 22 Jul 10

Loving your works steps

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the wizard says...
10:48am Thu 22 Jul 10

If people are going to carry this sort of behaviour and aggression into a game of cricker they are simply in the wrong sport.
People have to accept that there is a moral code of conduct in any sport these days, and if you step over the line you will get penalised.
Perhaps some sort of martial art sport where self disipline is taught would be a better out let for some , while clearly stress related anger management would be more applicable to others. The workplace born stress and anger of many is carried through into recreational pursuits , very unknowingly, by many these days and is a product of modern society. It just seems a shame that there is not more recognition of it, and then more could be done to control it, so individuals can actually enjoy their sport and gain more from it.

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theashes says...
10:50am Thu 22 Jul 10

Now THAT is quality banter Steps..

no umpires needed.

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Sunday Offie! says...
11:08am Thu 22 Jul 10

Steps you are just a talent!

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Geary1 says...
11:08am Thu 22 Jul 10

One thing I would add is that I bet 90% of the issues arise from a perceived injustice stemming from systematic cheating.

This is why I have no sympathy with BV as they have abused the rules and umpires for years often resulting in the pressurised umpire giving a bad decision

Until the cheating stops, and this includes slowing the over rates down to suit a teams chances of winning then there will always be confrontations as as always the idiots will go to far and make it physical.

The game should be played hard but as stated above all should share a beer at the end of a game.

The key is to stop the cheating and that is what the committee should focus on and the confrontations will reduce.

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mr_cricket says...
12:21pm Thu 22 Jul 10

Geary1 wrote:
One thing I would add is that I bet 90% of the issues arise from a perceived injustice stemming from systematic cheating.

This is why I have no sympathy with BV as they have abused the rules and umpires for years often resulting in the pressurised umpire giving a bad decision

Until the cheating stops, and this includes slowing the over rates down to suit a teams chances of winning then there will always be confrontations as as always the idiots will go to far and make it physical.

The game should be played hard but as stated above all should share a beer at the end of a game.

The key is to stop the cheating and that is what the committee should focus on and the confrontations will reduce.
The issue of things like slow over rate does need to be looked at, but going on past history the CL will create another rule and then another rule, which in time people will try to exploit and it'll be the same situation as before.

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vigalco says...
1:17pm Thu 22 Jul 10

Power....you seem to have inside knoledge of the incident. I havent read anywhere above that the ball was thrown deliberately at the batsmans head! Were you there? Or as I presume are you just of the assumtion that malice was involved!.....and Steps....you seem to have the vocabulary to go with your status as a Village cricket statto! I suppose the free time helps before your sunday afternoon 2pm starts!

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CRICKET FAN says...
1:24pm Thu 22 Jul 10

Where is Dave from cherwell, I think he plays for Cumnor perhaps he could quote on the incident. As for Vigalco go back to where to came from and leave this forum alone as you add nothing but twisted comments which indicates you might know the BV palyer or suffer with the same problem

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vigalco says...
1:29pm Thu 22 Jul 10

It appears that I know a bit more about this incident than most, who appear to want to comment without foundation and a forum is for opinions from all not a few select regulars to pat each other on the back endlessly

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CRICKET FAN says...
1:36pm Thu 22 Jul 10

Power & Steps you have been brilliant again today keep the wit and level headed comments coming......

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AROUND THE CORNER ON THE 45 says...
1:53pm Thu 22 Jul 10

What I can gather from this forum, there is some good Cricket sense written, a lot of rubbish and bad grammar. I am new to this so I will try and add some interest from my comments, Steps and Power brilliant stuff, still confused who Dave from cherwell is. His grammar makes one think perhaps could be an academic, but his cricket knowledge seems limited, good day

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cleverswindler says...
3:42pm Thu 22 Jul 10

Vigalco welcome aboard! I respect your comments but don't have to agree with them, that is a difference of opinion and that is what livens this forum up. You are right it would be boring if we were all a bunch of mutual backslappers, so some controversy is always welcome!

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vigalco says...
4:50pm Thu 22 Jul 10

At last!, Good to hear you Cleverswindler and finally someone who knows what a forum is!

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Sargent Pepper says...
5:14pm Thu 22 Jul 10

It's just like the banter on a saturday afternoon in the cherwell league. How ironic! I guess I'll keep my lid on just in case someone decides to hurl a ball or worse still some ripe old words at me. I've enjoyed reading all the comments but still don't know who Moonhead is?

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fronfoot says...
6:50pm Thu 22 Jul 10

Indeed, even with the old timers surrounding the bat and some light sledging, Vigalco is keeping her head. Looks certain for the draw...

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White Denim says...
8:42pm Thu 22 Jul 10

Sargent,
I'm afraid if you don't know what a moonhead is then this forum really isn't for you?
On the plus side for BV - 2 spaces available in the first eleven for the play-for-the-love-of
-the-game zimbo lads to fill this saturday?

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Sargent Pepper says...
9:23pm Thu 22 Jul 10

White Denim,

Please refer to the very earnest Vigalco who succinctly and quite rightly explains that a forum is " for opinions from all not a few regulars to pat each other on the back endlessly". I apologise for not having the same level as IQ as your good self. I will have a long look at myself and spend the evening on Wikpedia to further my understanding and vocabulary.
And by the way, I'm up for a game on saturday although hav'nt dusted off the whites for some time.

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rusty roof says...
9:42pm Thu 22 Jul 10

Indeed welcome vigalco. Some different views is what's required on here.
Couldn't agree more Sargent. The banter and insults on here is exactly what the hipocritical p***ks want to remove from the game on saturdays.

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White Denim says...
9:50pm Thu 22 Jul 10

No need to apologise Sargent and the more the merrier on these forums as far as I'm concerned.

I've been impressed with Vigalco today - kept his head and held up his end under severe pressure from all angles.

As for "having a long look at yourself" that's far too much information for me and wikipedia probably won't help that much...

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cleverswindler says...
7:39am Fri 23 Jul 10

If someone is a moonhead, does that mean the sun shines out of their backside?

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Power says...
8:20am Fri 23 Jul 10

Vigalco, welcome to the forum. You clearly do know more than most about the incident and if that is the case you should also know about Marks disciplinary record. When it comes to stepping over the line of decency, he is a habitual line-stepper who probably deserved this ban a long time ago, and moonhead, as someone who has played a ta pretty high standard and is very aware of what is going on around him, is just as culpable. I dont know if mark threw the ball deliberately at johns head, but the fact that it hit him indicates that it was heading in his direction.....

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Smoke Bomb 9.42 says...
10:29am Fri 23 Jul 10

Blimey, you go away for a few days and all this kicks off. Top work all.

All I can add is, judging from the comments above, that a moonhead is someone with a moon-shaped cranium, large shiny forehead and a cheesy odour that currently finds himself on the wane?

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sue ridgepipe says...
11:27am Fri 23 Jul 10

Hi all, had hoped to retire the keyboard but i'm afraid Power has brought me back for one last shot!
Given your connections Power with the league and more so the umpires your judgement at best on a matter like this could only be biased! You like most of us on here clearly don't know the full story. I've lost count the number of times i've seen a ball hit or narrowly miss a batsmen from a shy at the stumps or a throw thats been wayward.
Whether this guy should have been banned before this is neither here nor there. As you said earlier the umpires didn't have the gump. While the captains have a responsibility to control their players the umpires also have the responsibility to make sure that happens. Too often the umpires poor decisions and lack of authority in matches manifests its self into these hostile situations.

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Power says...
12:46pm Fri 23 Jul 10

I agree with those points sue, and there are only so many strong umpires who wont take crap from players. However, players and captains should have some sort of moral compass that prevents things from being taken too far. As the song goes, 'Saturday nights alright for fighting' not saturday bloody afternoon when you've just been carted into the council houses by a big fat man again.

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Steps TDCR says...
1:43pm Fri 23 Jul 10

Don't be so hard on yourself Power, I thought how svelte you looked last time I saw you.

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play in the v says...
10:13pm Fri 23 Jul 10

well done the exec, got this one right, get the gobby arrogant, prixks out of the league, just goes to prove money doesnt buy success, will BV be able to control themselves when the winding up starts nearing the end of the season. -50pts must be a safe bet.

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Captain Birdseye says...
5:58pm Mon 26 Jul 10

What a bunch of bottling woolies. Should be banned for life. Mr Grace would be turning in his grave.

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