Traders' 'horror' at Morrisons bid

Traders' 'horror' at Morrisons bid

Traders' 'horror' at Morrisons bid

First published in Wallingford

Traders in Wallingford are stepping up their opposition to Morrisons’ bid to bring a supermarket to an industrial estate on the edge of the town.

Last week it emerged the supermarket giant was planning a mid-sized supermarket and petrol station on the Hithercroft industrial estate, which could create between 200 to 300 full and part-time jobs.

The bid to bring the store to the town was discussed at the Wallingford in Business meeting at the Ridgeway Centre last Wednesday.

And town councillors who met on Monday agreed to hold a special meeting this Friday at 6.30pm to discuss Morrisons’ proposals.

Wallingford in Business spokesman Elaine Hornsby said the traders’ group would now write to South Oxfordshire District Council to register its opposition, along with town MP Ed Vaizey.

She added: “All the shopkeepers in the town are horrified that Morrisons is considering building a store on the industrial estate.

“Shopping guru Mary Portas is adamant out-of-town retail centres are one of the key causes for the decline of small towns.

“A second supermarket would be good for the town but only if it came into the town centre – and the old Waitrose site is available.

“Wallingford in Business is keen on Morrisons coming to Wallingford but if it is planning to come to the Hithercroft estate then it would rather it did not come at all.”

But town councillor Lynda Atkins said she would support Morrisons coming to the industrial estate.

She said: “Wallingford’s unique selling point is its independents rather than its chains, and I don’t think people shopping at Morrisons on the Hithercroft would necessarily damage trade in the town centre.

“It would bring jobs to the town and it would mean people who currently drive over to Tesco in Didcot would no longer have to do so.

“If Morrisons took the old Waitrose store it could prevent that area of the town from being redeveloped – that building needs to be knocked down and replaced.”

Morrisons will submit a planning application later this year following public consultation.

When asked if the chain had considered opening up the former Waitrose store in the town centre, a spokesman declined to comment.

Store spokesman Ben Copithorne said Morrisons planned to start its formal dialogue with SODC this month.

He added: “The plans are at an early stage and it’s appropriate that we should discuss them with the council before we talk more about what we would like to propose.”

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2:37pm Wed 2 May 12

belch52 says...

Why would anybody want to use the old Waitrose Site ? Its so run down and unfit for purpose where modern supermarkets are concerned. The car park has serious access problems, never mind getting articualted lorries in and out to re-supply the store.

The proposed site on what is currently the edge of town is ideal. As far as the old Waitrose site is concerned better to redevelop it and the car park as housing.
Why would anybody want to use the old Waitrose Site ? Its so run down and unfit for purpose where modern supermarkets are concerned. The car park has serious access problems, never mind getting articualted lorries in and out to re-supply the store. The proposed site on what is currently the edge of town is ideal. As far as the old Waitrose site is concerned better to redevelop it and the car park as housing. belch52
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3:21pm Wed 2 May 12

online_reader says...

I'm all for this, I'd go out of my way for Morrisons. Judging by the number of placards littering the streets of Wallingford, the locals are horrified by the concept of any change whatsoever, they might as well write "down with this sort of thing".
I'm all for this, I'd go out of my way for Morrisons. Judging by the number of placards littering the streets of Wallingford, the locals are horrified by the concept of any change whatsoever, they might as well write "down with this sort of thing". online_reader
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4:00pm Wed 2 May 12

davyboy says...

i would travel down from abingdon, to use a decent morrisons. if the old waitrose is no good, then knock it down and build a little indoor market, full of independent traders, if that's what people want. town centres are not the place for large supermarkets.
i would travel down from abingdon, to use a decent morrisons. if the old waitrose is no good, then knock it down and build a little indoor market, full of independent traders, if that's what people want. town centres are not the place for large supermarkets. davyboy
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4:02pm Wed 2 May 12

EricTheRed says...

bring it on.... im all for a good supermarket rather than expensive local traders
bring it on.... im all for a good supermarket rather than expensive local traders EricTheRed
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4:02pm Wed 2 May 12

EricTheRed says...

bring it on.... im all for a good supermarket rather than expensive local traders
bring it on.... im all for a good supermarket rather than expensive local traders EricTheRed
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4:04pm Wed 2 May 12

EricTheRed says...

if they dont wanna build in wallingford, i know of a decent size plot of land next to the berinsfield roundabout would be ideal. Berinsfield would welcome a morrisons nearby
if they dont wanna build in wallingford, i know of a decent size plot of land next to the berinsfield roundabout would be ideal. Berinsfield would welcome a morrisons nearby EricTheRed
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5:06pm Wed 2 May 12

faatmaan says...

there must be a large demand, supermarkets to do not open large superstores on speculation, the snob value of Wallingford is a cause of poverty of many less well off residents of Wallingford, Waitrose prefer to operate unopposed in small market towns, I bet they would not want a wetherspoons pub or a fast food drive through, i wonder how many of the businesses and people objecting have sway with various councillors and above to block the scheme.
there must be a large demand, supermarkets to do not open large superstores on speculation, the snob value of Wallingford is a cause of poverty of many less well off residents of Wallingford, Waitrose prefer to operate unopposed in small market towns, I bet they would not want a wetherspoons pub or a fast food drive through, i wonder how many of the businesses and people objecting have sway with various councillors and above to block the scheme. faatmaan
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5:09pm Wed 2 May 12

Whitto says...

Change is not good.
Change is not good. Whitto
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5:35pm Wed 2 May 12

belgarion says...

Would one of the town traders who are in favour of Morrisons using the old Waitrose site explain how a 30 ton Morrisons delivery lorry is supposed to get down Goldsmiths Lane. Their lorries are far bigger than the ones that used to deliver to Waitrose using that road and it was a tight squeeze then.
Would be interesting to do a survey of Wallingford residents who would welcome a Morrisons on the Hithercroft site. Just talking to people about the proposal I would guess 80 – 90% in favour. Even more interesting is – will the Town Council reflect the views of the people!
Would one of the town traders who are in favour of Morrisons using the old Waitrose site explain how a 30 ton Morrisons delivery lorry is supposed to get down Goldsmiths Lane. Their lorries are far bigger than the ones that used to deliver to Waitrose using that road and it was a tight squeeze then. Would be interesting to do a survey of Wallingford residents who would welcome a Morrisons on the Hithercroft site. Just talking to people about the proposal I would guess 80 – 90% in favour. Even more interesting is – will the Town Council reflect the views of the people! belgarion
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8:32pm Wed 2 May 12

iklhik says...

Morrisons are great, will be good to have one in Wallingford. As is said in the article, better than having to use the rubbish Tesco in Didcot.

They always are out of stock of what I need and the staff there - including the store manager - are rude. Morrisons - fresh food, cheerful staff, YES PLEASE!
Morrisons are great, will be good to have one in Wallingford. As is said in the article, better than having to use the rubbish Tesco in Didcot. They always are out of stock of what I need and the staff there - including the store manager - are rude. Morrisons - fresh food, cheerful staff, YES PLEASE! iklhik
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9:34pm Wed 2 May 12

LORD PETER MACVEY 0X2 6EG says...

Wally traders express horror that their overpriced monopoly is about to be exposed by a fair trader giving them competition more like.
Wally traders express horror that their overpriced monopoly is about to be exposed by a fair trader giving them competition more like. LORD PETER MACVEY 0X2 6EG
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9:38pm Wed 2 May 12

faatmaan says...

please, no more discount traders in Wallingford, all its going to do is encourage those poor undesirables to stay here and stop the area gaining its elitest tag it so sorely desires, keep the peasants in their place, nominally Didcot at least.
please, no more discount traders in Wallingford, all its going to do is encourage those poor undesirables to stay here and stop the area gaining its elitest tag it so sorely desires, keep the peasants in their place, nominally Didcot at least. faatmaan
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9:52pm Wed 2 May 12

aliej says...

will someone remind the town council that they are in Wallingford and not Henley! And surely a cheaper out of town store would keep all the peasants out of the town centre giving those far more deserving rich folk (from out of town!) the space they need to park their 4 x 4's and allowing them to shop in safty.
will someone remind the town council that they are in Wallingford and not Henley! And surely a cheaper out of town store would keep all the peasants out of the town centre giving those far more deserving rich folk (from out of town!) the space they need to park their 4 x 4's and allowing them to shop in safty. aliej
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10:16pm Wed 2 May 12

EMBOX1 says...

I suspect none of you have been to morrisons.....they are terrible!!
I suspect none of you have been to morrisons.....they are terrible!! EMBOX1
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11:01pm Wed 2 May 12

John Lamb says...

I love Morrisons. Can't wait.
I love Morrisons. Can't wait. John Lamb
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11:02pm Wed 2 May 12

Andrew:Oxford says...

EMBOX1 wrote:
I suspect none of you have been to morrisons.....they are terrible!!
They are a bit Northern.
[quote][p][bold]EMBOX1[/bold] wrote: I suspect none of you have been to morrisons.....they are terrible!![/p][/quote]They are a bit Northern. Andrew:Oxford
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12:33am Thu 3 May 12

belgarion says...

EMBOX1 wrote:
I suspect none of you have been to morrisons.....they are terrible!!
I suspect you have never been to Morrisons more likely. Their store in Reading knocks spots off both Tesco and Sainsburys in Didcot. Fresh produce for a start but that's because Morrisons have a much better computerised distribution network than either of the other two.
[quote][p][bold]EMBOX1[/bold] wrote: I suspect none of you have been to morrisons.....they are terrible!![/p][/quote]I suspect you have never been to Morrisons more likely. Their store in Reading knocks spots off both Tesco and Sainsburys in Didcot. Fresh produce for a start but that's because Morrisons have a much better computerised distribution network than either of the other two. belgarion
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7:21am Thu 3 May 12

EMBOX1 says...

I lived next to one in north Nottinghamshire for years. It was horrible, and ironically the only other place to shop was a Waitrose, the most northerly branch at the time.

Morrisons was never clean, the stock was out of date and the staff were chavs. I hate Tesco but Morrisons were awful. Anyway, people will vote with their feet, so build it..
I lived next to one in north Nottinghamshire for years. It was horrible, and ironically the only other place to shop was a Waitrose, the most northerly branch at the time. Morrisons was never clean, the stock was out of date and the staff were chavs. I hate Tesco but Morrisons were awful. Anyway, people will vote with their feet, so build it.. EMBOX1
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8:33am Thu 3 May 12

Major Oxford says...

Morrisson's will be a huge improvement to this drabby town
Morrisson's will be a huge improvement to this drabby town Major Oxford
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11:34am Thu 3 May 12

belgarion says...

EBOX1 - rather than dwell in the past might I suggest you go into any Morrisons store now, because that is what is relevant if one is to be built in Wallingford. I think you will find them a world away from what you describe. Given the choice we would certainly shop there if they had a store closer than Reading. Plus their petrol prices are amongst the lowest in the UK!
EBOX1 - rather than dwell in the past might I suggest you go into any Morrisons store now, because that is what is relevant if one is to be built in Wallingford. I think you will find them a world away from what you describe. Given the choice we would certainly shop there if they had a store closer than Reading. Plus their petrol prices are amongst the lowest in the UK! belgarion
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3:10pm Thu 3 May 12

livid99 says...

EMBOX1 wrote:
I lived next to one in north Nottinghamshire for years. It was horrible, and ironically the only other place to shop was a Waitrose, the most northerly branch at the time.

Morrisons was never clean, the stock was out of date and the staff were chavs. I hate Tesco but Morrisons were awful. Anyway, people will vote with their feet, so build it..
That probably says more about North Nottingamshire than Morrisons....every Morrisons I have been to are very good. Their fresh fruit, veg and fish is the best of any supermarket. And their petrol is nearly always cheaper than anywhere else.
I hope Wallingford sees sense and goes ahead with this store
[quote][p][bold]EMBOX1[/bold] wrote: I lived next to one in north Nottinghamshire for years. It was horrible, and ironically the only other place to shop was a Waitrose, the most northerly branch at the time. Morrisons was never clean, the stock was out of date and the staff were chavs. I hate Tesco but Morrisons were awful. Anyway, people will vote with their feet, so build it..[/p][/quote]That probably says more about North Nottingamshire than Morrisons....every Morrisons I have been to are very good. Their fresh fruit, veg and fish is the best of any supermarket. And their petrol is nearly always cheaper than anywhere else. I hope Wallingford sees sense and goes ahead with this store livid99
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12:37pm Fri 4 May 12

online_reader says...

livid99 wrote:
EMBOX1 wrote:
I lived next to one in north Nottinghamshire for years. It was horrible, and ironically the only other place to shop was a Waitrose, the most northerly branch at the time.

Morrisons was never clean, the stock was out of date and the staff were chavs. I hate Tesco but Morrisons were awful. Anyway, people will vote with their feet, so build it..
That probably says more about North Nottingamshire than Morrisons....every Morrisons I have been to are very good. Their fresh fruit, veg and fish is the best of any supermarket. And their petrol is nearly always cheaper than anywhere else.
I hope Wallingford sees sense and goes ahead with this store
Agreed, especially if you're talking about Mansfield, where the closure of the mining industry means working families are bitter, disenfranchised and either unemployed or being supported by someone on minimum wage on a supermarket checkout. The socioeconomics there (and yes, we lived and worked near there too) are in no way comparable with south Oxfordshire.
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EMBOX1[/bold] wrote: I lived next to one in north Nottinghamshire for years. It was horrible, and ironically the only other place to shop was a Waitrose, the most northerly branch at the time. Morrisons was never clean, the stock was out of date and the staff were chavs. I hate Tesco but Morrisons were awful. Anyway, people will vote with their feet, so build it..[/p][/quote]That probably says more about North Nottingamshire than Morrisons....every Morrisons I have been to are very good. Their fresh fruit, veg and fish is the best of any supermarket. And their petrol is nearly always cheaper than anywhere else. I hope Wallingford sees sense and goes ahead with this store[/p][/quote]Agreed, especially if you're talking about Mansfield, where the closure of the mining industry means working families are bitter, disenfranchised and either unemployed or being supported by someone on minimum wage on a supermarket checkout. The socioeconomics there (and yes, we lived and worked near there too) are in no way comparable with south Oxfordshire. online_reader
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11:55am Tue 8 May 12

Lady Penelopee says...

EMBOX1 wrote:
I lived next to one in north Nottinghamshire for years. It was horrible, and ironically the only other place to shop was a Waitrose, the most northerly branch at the time. Morrisons was never clean, the stock was out of date and the staff were chavs. I hate Tesco but Morrisons were awful. Anyway, people will vote with their feet, so build it..
So how many decades ago was that?

I went into a Morrisons recently, and it was great!

What's wrong with "a bit northern"???
[quote][p][bold]EMBOX1[/bold] wrote: I lived next to one in north Nottinghamshire for years. It was horrible, and ironically the only other place to shop was a Waitrose, the most northerly branch at the time. Morrisons was never clean, the stock was out of date and the staff were chavs. I hate Tesco but Morrisons were awful. Anyway, people will vote with their feet, so build it..[/p][/quote]So how many decades ago was that? I went into a Morrisons recently, and it was great! What's wrong with "a bit northern"??? Lady Penelopee
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12:07pm Tue 8 May 12

belgarion says...

Something tells me that EMBOX1 works for Waitrose!
Something tells me that EMBOX1 works for Waitrose! belgarion
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1:10pm Tue 8 May 12

HosbornS6 says...

Strikes me as a bit of NIMBYism down there in Wallingford. Both me and my husband grew up and went to school in Wallingford and Didcot - In our day there was the ABM and a huge green monstrosity of a Habitat shop at Hithercroft..I am sure Morrisons would be an improvement on that. It would also keep traffic out of the town and preserve the precious heritage. As ex Wallingfordian's exiled in the frozen chavvie North nothing on earth would induce us to move back to such small minded snobbery. Your image of people of the North is totally erroneous. We are cultured, welcoming and friendly and Yorkshire is the most beautiful county in the country.
Strikes me as a bit of NIMBYism down there in Wallingford. Both me and my husband grew up and went to school in Wallingford and Didcot - In our day there was the ABM and a huge green monstrosity of a Habitat shop at Hithercroft..I am sure Morrisons would be an improvement on that. It would also keep traffic out of the town and preserve the precious heritage. As ex Wallingfordian's exiled in the frozen chavvie North nothing on earth would induce us to move back to such small minded snobbery. Your image of people of the North is totally erroneous. We are cultured, welcoming and friendly and Yorkshire is the most beautiful county in the country. HosbornS6
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1:43pm Tue 8 May 12

belgarion says...

HosbornS6 wrote:
Strikes me as a bit of NIMBYism down there in Wallingford. Both me and my husband grew up and went to school in Wallingford and Didcot - In our day there was the ABM and a huge green monstrosity of a Habitat shop at Hithercroft..I am sure Morrisons would be an improvement on that. It would also keep traffic out of the town and preserve the precious heritage. As ex Wallingfordian's exiled in the frozen chavvie North nothing on earth would induce us to move back to such small minded snobbery. Your image of people of the North is totally erroneous. We are cultured, welcoming and friendly and Yorkshire is the most beautiful county in the country.
I think your post is off key. The only person commenting against Morrisons is EMBOX1 whilst the rest of the posts favour Morrisons coming to Wallingford. In fact I would suggest the vast majority of the population of Wallingford would be delighted to get a Morrisons. The only opposition is from a few town centre traders who have their own agenda. So I think charging Wallingford with Nimbyism is somewhat unfair.
[quote][p][bold]HosbornS6[/bold] wrote: Strikes me as a bit of NIMBYism down there in Wallingford. Both me and my husband grew up and went to school in Wallingford and Didcot - In our day there was the ABM and a huge green monstrosity of a Habitat shop at Hithercroft..I am sure Morrisons would be an improvement on that. It would also keep traffic out of the town and preserve the precious heritage. As ex Wallingfordian's exiled in the frozen chavvie North nothing on earth would induce us to move back to such small minded snobbery. Your image of people of the North is totally erroneous. We are cultured, welcoming and friendly and Yorkshire is the most beautiful county in the country.[/p][/quote]I think your post is off key. The only person commenting against Morrisons is EMBOX1 whilst the rest of the posts favour Morrisons coming to Wallingford. In fact I would suggest the vast majority of the population of Wallingford would be delighted to get a Morrisons. The only opposition is from a few town centre traders who have their own agenda. So I think charging Wallingford with Nimbyism is somewhat unfair. belgarion
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6:36pm Tue 8 May 12

JWalk says...

belgarion wrote:
HosbornS6 wrote:
Strikes me as a bit of NIMBYism down there in Wallingford. Both me and my husband grew up and went to school in Wallingford and Didcot - In our day there was the ABM and a huge green monstrosity of a Habitat shop at Hithercroft..I am sure Morrisons would be an improvement on that. It would also keep traffic out of the town and preserve the precious heritage. As ex Wallingfordian's exiled in the frozen chavvie North nothing on earth would induce us to move back to such small minded snobbery. Your image of people of the North is totally erroneous. We are cultured, welcoming and friendly and Yorkshire is the most beautiful county in the country.
I think your post is off key. The only person commenting against Morrisons is EMBOX1 whilst the rest of the posts favour Morrisons coming to Wallingford. In fact I would suggest the vast majority of the population of Wallingford would be delighted to get a Morrisons. The only opposition is from a few town centre traders who have their own agenda. So I think charging Wallingford with Nimbyism is somewhat unfair.
Have you driven around Wallingford lately especially down the Wantage and Reading roads? Nimbyism is in its pride there.
Don't get me wrong, i'm all for Morrisons opening up there, perhaps to give the local Tescos and Sainsburys a bloody nose but i'm not holding my breath.
[quote][p][bold]belgarion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HosbornS6[/bold] wrote: Strikes me as a bit of NIMBYism down there in Wallingford. Both me and my husband grew up and went to school in Wallingford and Didcot - In our day there was the ABM and a huge green monstrosity of a Habitat shop at Hithercroft..I am sure Morrisons would be an improvement on that. It would also keep traffic out of the town and preserve the precious heritage. As ex Wallingfordian's exiled in the frozen chavvie North nothing on earth would induce us to move back to such small minded snobbery. Your image of people of the North is totally erroneous. We are cultured, welcoming and friendly and Yorkshire is the most beautiful county in the country.[/p][/quote]I think your post is off key. The only person commenting against Morrisons is EMBOX1 whilst the rest of the posts favour Morrisons coming to Wallingford. In fact I would suggest the vast majority of the population of Wallingford would be delighted to get a Morrisons. The only opposition is from a few town centre traders who have their own agenda. So I think charging Wallingford with Nimbyism is somewhat unfair.[/p][/quote]Have you driven around Wallingford lately especially down the Wantage and Reading roads? Nimbyism is in its pride there. Don't get me wrong, i'm all for Morrisons opening up there, perhaps to give the local Tescos and Sainsburys a bloody nose but i'm not holding my breath. JWalk
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