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Hopes run high that Pope will visit Oxford


CATHOLICS tonight expressed renewed hope that Pope Benedict XVI would visit Oxford, after he confirmed he would come to Britain later this year.

The Pontiff told the Catholic bishops of England and Wales that he would be making his first apostolic visit to the UK.

Although no dates or schedules were given, Pope Benedict XVI is expected to visit in September.

The news was greeted with excitement across the city, as Oxford has strong Papal links.

Cardinal John Henry Newman, who was mentioned in the Pope’s speech, lived and studied in the city in the early nineteenth century and acquired what is now Newman College in Littlemore when the village became part of his parish.

There is widespread speculation that during his visit the Pope will personally beatify Cardinal Newman.

Sister Mary Dechant, who lives at Newman College, said: “The people who live here in the village talk a lot about the Pope coming to Oxford.

“It’s very much in people’s minds and they are excited about the prospect.

“Many think he will come because Oxford and Littlemore was so important in John Henry Newman’s life.”

The last Papal visit to Britain was John Paul II’s visit in 1982, although he did not come to Oxford.

Catholic priest David Forrester, 75, a lecturer on John Henry Newman at Oxford University, said: “The Pope is a great student of Newman. Newman said Oxford was what made him a Catholic.

“It would be in keeping if the Pope came to Oxford because it was where Newman spent most of his young life.

“This is good news and Catholics are very excited.”

In October last year, thousands of people queued at the Oxford Oratory in Woodstock Road to see the relics of St Thérèse of Lisieux, a 19th-century Catholic nun.

Father Daniel Seward, 35, of the Oxford Oratory, said: “If the Pope was to come to Oxford that would be one of the most important days in the history of the city.

“The Pope is more than an ordinary celebrity. He is God’s representative on earth and as such Catholics recognise him as speaking with unique authority.”

Peter Jennings, press secretary to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Birmingham, which includes Oxfordshire, said: “Many Roman Catholics would rejoice if Pope Benedict XVI visited places in Oxford connected with the life of John Henry Newman, in particular Trinity and Oriel colleges.”

Children from St Amand’s Primary School in East Hendred near Wantage, were so inspired by the prospect of the Pope coming to Britain they wrote inviting him to visit their school.

Although the school has received a letter saying the Pope will not be visiting them, teacher Jan Page said: “Everyone at the school has been very excited about the prospect of the Pope coming to Oxford.”

Comments(56)

Green123 says...
8:21pm Mon 1 Feb 10

We don't want this homophobe in our country, thank you. If he was NOT the Pope and he espoused views such as his, he'd be charged with inciting hatred, but becuase he's 'religious' he can get away with accusing gay people of being 'against natural law'. Stay in Rome, Pope. We don't want you or your extreme views here.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2010/feb
/01/pope-condemns-br
itish-equality-bill

rickenback says...
8:37pm Mon 1 Feb 10

when the world wakes up and finds theres no god,the pope is no different to you or i we might see a better place/

SarahOX14 says...
9:26pm Mon 1 Feb 10

If people want to see the pope, they should go to the Vatican. He's an irrelevance to modern British society.

RandomerOX4 says...
10:36pm Mon 1 Feb 10

I personally think you should keep your views to yourself. If your not religious then don't discriminate on people who are. It's people like you who think you right and that the world revolves round you. Well it doesn't so stop discriminating on the catholic religion!

King O Cowley Rd says...
10:57pm Mon 1 Feb 10

If comments such as the above were directed at Islam or Hinduism, you'd more or less be looking at inciting racial hatred, but its OK "because the Catholics are fair game". No rickenback, we'll see a better place when people start being tolerant of other people's beliefs, accepting the rights of others to hold an ideology, or indeed not to. Why don't you get us started?

tonybrett says...
11:39pm Mon 1 Feb 10

I am a fully committed Christian so I guess that makes me religious. I'd rather the pope took his homophobic views elsewhere too. I do however recognise him as part of the ONE world Christian church, which is more than he would say for me.

rfr says...
12:01am Tue 2 Feb 10

So the only defining aspect of the pope is his homophobia? Single issue politics -- ain't it boring. I'm sure the pope has views on a myriad other things, some of which may actually be attractive to non-Catholics, Catholics and even commentators here. Anyway, I look forward to the sweet smell of incense wafting through the city. I hear he quite likes Latin too.

Floflo says...
8:21am Tue 2 Feb 10

rfr wrote:
So the only defining aspect of the pope is his homophobia? Single issue politics -- ain't it boring. I'm sure the pope has views on a myriad other things, some of which may actually be attractive to non-Catholics, Catholics and even commentators here. Anyway, I look forward to the sweet smell of incense wafting through the city. I hear he quite likes Latin too.
He's also head of an organisation that refuses to sanction the use of condoms. As a direct result there are many more people HIV+ than there would be otherwise.

locodogz says...
9:10am Tue 2 Feb 10

RandomerOX4 wrote:
I personally think you should keep your views to yourself. If your not religious then don't discriminate on people who are. It's people like you who think you right and that the world revolves round you. Well it doesn't so stop discriminating on the catholic religion!
All well and good - so will the Pope be keeping his views to himself then?

Duckorange says...
9:17am Tue 2 Feb 10

rfr wrote:
So the only defining aspect of the pope is his homophobia? Single issue politics -- ain't it boring. I'm sure the pope has views on a myriad other things, some of which may actually be attractive to non-Catholics, Catholics and even commentators here. Anyway, I look forward to the sweet smell of incense wafting through the city. I hear he quite likes Latin too.
No, it's not just the homophobia. The Catholic Church is terrified of women as well.

JeanPiddle says...
9:30am Tue 2 Feb 10

Poep dear? Here dear? No dear. How very dare you.

Kidlington Dave says...
10:09am Tue 2 Feb 10

RandomerOX4 wrote:
I personally think you should keep your views to yourself. If your not religious then don't discriminate on people who are. It's people like you who think you right and that the world revolves round you. Well it doesn't so stop discriminating on the catholic religion!
I don't believe the world revolves around me; it revolves around the Sun. Something the Catholic church denied for a long time. I don't discriminate against Catholics, but the Catholic church does discriminate against a lot of people.

phantom flan flinger says...
10:16am Tue 2 Feb 10

Is it me or does it look like the horns have been airbrushed out of the picture!

LadyPenelope says...
10:19am Tue 2 Feb 10

Agree with Kidlington Dave. The world resolves around the sun, and would be a nicer place if people kept their ridiculous homophobic views to themselves. I think the pope is a fool to think that people are gay by choice.

Concerned one says...
10:21am Tue 2 Feb 10

The cost of this visit has been estimated at £20million to the tax-payer. If the Pope does not want to recognise our equality laws and carry on with his discrimination, perhaps, he should pay for all costs involved.

JeanPiddle says...
11:05am Tue 2 Feb 10

I object to the BNP becuase they promote hate. I am pro religion, but at the moment, the Catholic Church are saying things even the BNP couldn't get away with! There are laws to stop inciting hate...oh, unless it is from the Pope I suppose. Nope, keep this man out of my city. I'd say the same if Nick Griffin was visiting.
(PS: I'm shocked LadyPenelope. We seem to agree on something!)

SarahOX14 says...
11:15am Tue 2 Feb 10

When our economy is in a horrific state, taxpayers shouldn't be required or expected to pay £20M to cover the cost of protecting someone who is larely unwanted. 91% of UK residents aren't catholic (Source:British Social Attitudes Surveys 2007)

If the pope wants to come here, let him pay all the costs.

LadyPenelope says...
11:28am Tue 2 Feb 10

Concerned one wrote:
The cost of this visit has been estimated at £20million to the tax-payer. If the Pope does not want to recognise our equality laws and carry on with his discrimination, perhaps, he should pay for all costs involved.
The tax payer is footing the bill?! Seriously? Do we get any say over this? That's a lot of money that could be used wisely elsewhere!

SarahOX14 says...
11:43am Tue 2 Feb 10

The Vatican has a wealth estimated at between $10bn and $15bn (Source: Time magazine) - it can easily afford to pay the £20M bill and should.

JeanPiddle says...
11:50am Tue 2 Feb 10

£20 million? Does he know we have a perfectly good youth hostel here? There is no age restriction nowadays as well.

Kidlington Dave says...
12:03pm Tue 2 Feb 10

JeanPiddle wrote:
£20 million? Does he know we have a perfectly good youth hostel here? There is no age restriction nowadays as well.
A Catholic man of the cloth let loose in a youth hostel? Doesn't bear thinking about.

JeanPiddle says...
1:26pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Oh indeed! I didn't notice that error. One may venture to say that maybe the old prison would be more...comfortable?

slimjim says...
1:28pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Lets hope High street is finished by then!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Ferryman says...
2:02pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Only just read the story. I hope he comes here, I saw him in Rome last year and he is great, best pope in ages. Oxford can only benefit from a visit by the closest man to god, and he may even bless us as well.

PU30 says...
2:13pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Does he play rugby? Oxford Harlequins will sign him up for sure....

The Ferryman says...
3:08pm Tue 2 Feb 10

PU30 wrote:
Does he play rugby? Oxford Harlequins will sign him up for sure....
I think he is a bit old, but he might sit on the bench. Pray to god and it might happen

Marina Morris says...
3:45pm Tue 2 Feb 10

The Pope Saves ... but Constable scores from the rebound.

Bet they don't tell HIM to use the Park & Ride!


HaHa! The code I've had to type in to make this post was pope-gimp!

RandomerOX4 says...
4:25pm Tue 2 Feb 10

The pope doesn't discriminate, it's a religion and a religion has beliefs. Something that some people on here obviously can't respect. At the end of it all we'll be in a better place than you lot who discriminate against the catholic religion

Marina Morris says...
8:45pm Tue 2 Feb 10

RandomerOX4 wrote:
The pope doesn't discriminate, it's a religion and a religion has beliefs. Something that some people on here obviously can't respect. At the end of it all we'll be in a better place than you lot who discriminate against the catholic religion
Ha Ha! You think you're going to heaven?

RickytheBeast says...
8:45pm Tue 2 Feb 10

The catholic church has done a lot more harm than good to the world. Fact.

RandomerOX4 says...
10:24pm Tue 2 Feb 10

I think it's disgusting that people think religion is funny. Your clearly one of those people that need a life.
Everyone can have their own opinion and if that's yours then fair enough

Marina Morris says...
10:28pm Tue 2 Feb 10

RandomerOX4 wrote:
I think it's disgusting that people think religion is funny. Your clearly one of those people that need a life. Everyone can have their own opinion and if that's yours then fair enough
I don't think religion is funny, I think it's deadly. It's you who is funny!! Your second paragraph is very good though and I repect your opinion. But in my opinion you lot are going to be VERY disappointed!

phantom flan flinger says...
12:42am Wed 3 Feb 10

RandomerOX4 wrote:
The pope doesn't discriminate, it's a religion and a religion has beliefs. Something that some people on here obviously can't respect. At the end of it all we'll be in a better place than you lot who discriminate against the catholic religion
Nick Griffin and the BNP also have beliefs. Just because you believe in something doesn't make it right or true.

Terry Chandler says...
1:50am Wed 3 Feb 10

LadyPenelope wrote:
Agree with Kidlington Dave. The world resolves around the sun, and would be a nicer place if people kept their ridiculous homophobic views to themselves. I think the pope is a fool to think that people are gay by choice.
He could always ask his child molesting priests if they like boys by choice or are they the only thing available.

Also did he not used to belong to Hitler youth?

RandomerOX4 says...
10:25am Wed 3 Feb 10

Terry Chandler wrote:
LadyPenelope wrote:
Agree with Kidlington Dave. The world resolves around the sun, and would be a nicer place if people kept their ridiculous homophobic views to themselves. I think the pope is a fool to think that people are gay by choice.
He could always ask his child molesting priests if they like boys by choice or are they the only thing available.

Also did he not used to belong to Hitler youth?
No need for disrespect! Clearly shows that you haven't matured yet

Floflo says...
11:40am Wed 3 Feb 10

RandomerOX4 wrote:
Terry Chandler wrote:
LadyPenelope wrote:
Agree with Kidlington Dave. The world resolves around the sun, and would be a nicer place if people kept their ridiculous homophobic views to themselves. I think the pope is a fool to think that people are gay by choice.
He could always ask his child molesting priests if they like boys by choice or are they the only thing available.

Also did he not used to belong to Hitler youth?
No need for disrespect! Clearly shows that you haven't matured yet
The pope shows his disrespect for our democratic process by lobbying against our equality legislation.
.
I would have thought a guy who wears a dress to be the last person to be homophobic.

Petre Mcvey says...
11:45am Wed 3 Feb 10

RandomerOX4 wrote:
Terry Chandler wrote:
LadyPenelope wrote: Agree with Kidlington Dave. The world resolves around the sun, and would be a nicer place if people kept their ridiculous homophobic views to themselves. I think the pope is a fool to think that people are gay by choice.
He could always ask his child molesting priests if they like boys by choice or are they the only thing available. Also did he not used to belong to Hitler youth?
No need for disrespect! Clearly shows that you haven't matured yet
No disrespect, or immaturity there. He is just pointing out a couple of facts, the old popey bloke was a teenage member of Hitlers Youth, and his priests do seem to show a more than unhealthy interest in young boys.

Alfie Nokes says...
4:34pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Already been to No.10.gov.uk and signed "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Revoke the formal state visit given to the Pope Benedict XVI".

RandomerOX4 says...
6:02pm Wed 3 Feb 10

I find it astonishible how people dislike the catholic religion and the pope. I hope he does come to Oxford then you can confront him with your views towards him!

janny1960 says...
8:48am Thu 4 Feb 10

The Ferryman wrote:
Only just read the story. I hope he comes here, I saw him in Rome last year and he is great, best pope in ages. Oxford can only benefit from a visit by the closest man to god, and he may even bless us as well.
I'd be interested to hear just how Oxford will benefit from a visit by the Pope? Care to enlighten us Ferryman?

Lord Palmerston says...
4:32pm Thu 4 Feb 10

"He's also head of an organisation that refuses to sanction the use of condoms. As a direct result there are many more people HIV+ than there would be otherwise"
I think you'll find it's spread through promicuous indiscriminate copulation,and folks who do that aren't really likely to obey injunctions from the Pope, nor indeed the advice of their colleagues with much greater wisdom. "I'm a good Catholic so when I have an evening out with a ewe and a sow, I always obey the Holy Father and don't use..."well you get the message, and it really is time this dreary old commie non-sequitur was laid to rest.

HarryBo says...
7:11pm Thu 4 Feb 10

RandomerOX4 wrote:
The pope doesn't discriminate, it's a religion and a religion has beliefs. Something that some people on here obviously can't respect. At the end of it all we'll be in a better place than you lot who discriminate against the catholic religion
The first four words of your first sentnce are factually incorrect. The pope actively discriminates against homosexuals and people who use condoms. Or did you miss that?

HarryBo says...
7:19pm Thu 4 Feb 10

Lord Palmerston wrote:
"He's also head of an organisation that refuses to sanction the use of condoms. As a direct result there are many more people HIV+ than there would be otherwise" I think you'll find it's spread through promicuous indiscriminate copulation,and folks who do that aren't really likely to obey injunctions from the Pope, nor indeed the advice of their colleagues with much greater wisdom. "I'm a good Catholic so when I have an evening out with a ewe and a sow, I always obey the Holy Father and don't use..."well you get the message, and it really is time this dreary old commie non-sequitur was laid to rest.
Also incorrect, LordP. HIV and AIDS is spreading throughout the poorly educated in African countries, because the Catholic missionaries there are telling people it's a sin against God to use contraception.

Their opinion is resulting in the deaths of many, many people. You can still say it's their own fault for fornicating, of course, but the Catholic church can't make them stop that. So instead of taking humanitarian, preventative action, they essentially stand around watching people spreading the virus.

Gos will be so pleased.

John Charles says...
8:18pm Thu 4 Feb 10

Great news for local paedophiles. Somebody to speak up for them.

Petre Mcvey says...
11:34pm Thu 4 Feb 10

nearly 2 days and the joke is still there. The censor can't be a catholic

Lord Palmerston says...
7:38am Fri 5 Feb 10

Harry Bo. You hit the nail on the head.It's not "their fault" for fornicating. But they AIN'T CATHOLICS are they, else they wouldn't be fornicating, and to suggest that someone would say "I'll listen to the missionary when he says don't wear rubber next the skin, but not when he talks of Sodom and Gomorrah" is just plain daft , isn't it? I'm not a Roman, I'm an atheist but I am really bored with this tired old chestnut being drawn out yet again, by the braindead.
Maybe the Mohammedan approach is best-if you fornicate you get stoned to death, or beheaded. At least it's quick

RandomerOX4 says...
10:33am Fri 5 Feb 10

HarryBo, our religion has views and we follow these views. If you would love to confront the pope on these views go ahead. I can't see all the people on here confronting him, because they are all talk

Patrick Ward says...
1:26pm Fri 5 Feb 10

I can't believe the amount of bile and invective generated by a few people about a proposed visit to the city by a religious leader, in order to honour one of Oxford's own, J H Newman. I respect everyone's right to their opinions but feel they could be expressed in an appropriate manner, without use of vile innuendo. Some people have faults and should be brought to task for them, but they are very much in the minority. The powers that be and were in these isles have faults too. It's not that long ago transportation was the norm for petty offences for children, it's not that long ago that slavery was legal and how many died then. Let he that is without sin cast the first stone!

Lord Palmerston says...
5:02pm Fri 5 Feb 10

I haven't seen the other chestnut, which I well remember from all the Grosvenor Square beardies in the 60's "His disavowal of F Letters is why there's so much overpopulation so he's a big criminal , not like lovely Ho and Che, and Pol Pot" (I made the last one up). Yes, that's why the most precariously overpopulated countries in the world, Indonesia and W. Pakistan are...erh...Mohammed
an.

Petre Mcvay says...
6:45am Sat 6 Feb 10

You forgot Dunfirmline M'LUD

Lord Palmerston says...
8:57am Sat 6 Feb 10

The old beardies didn't do the "home-o-phobia" stuff because of course in those days everyone was always collapsing at the sight of identical twins, and you could get banged up (sorry) for even doing it consensually with your missus. So the Pope told his disciples not to advise the bath house boys to wear rubber because he knew that a very nasty ailment was just round the corner. But how did he know, you lefties what think socialism is the only true religion? Did God tell him?

Patrick Ward says...
11:11am Sun 7 Feb 10

Petre Mcvay wrote:
You forgot Dunfirmline M'LUD
Peter (not Petre), Dunfermline (not Dunfirmline) is a city not a country, and is not Mohammedan although we do have people of many religions and none. Lord P, W.Pakistan became Pakistan some time ago when East Pakistan became Bangladesh. I struggle to understand your posts at the best of times but your latest is completely unintellligible with bad spelling (consensually) and bad syntax. You obviously didn't benefit from an Eton or Rugby education!

Lord Palmerston says...
6:06pm Sun 7 Feb 10

Glass houses, Paddy McGinty. Homophobia means an irrational fear of things which are the same.Does that help you to understand? You are correct, in your own way, that following a civil war the 2 Pakistans took on different names. Indeed England plays Deutschland in the World Cup and I can fly from Kidlington to Geneva in the Helvetian Confederation, but I tend to call places what English people have usually called them and since English people created East and West Pakistan from a number of principalities, I'll probably stick at that name. I don't suppose you can fly anywhere from the Scottish town in question and, since abuse is what you feel best proves your point, are you sure that your fellow countrymen are not laughing at you for wearing flesh coloured tights under your kilt?

Patrick Ward says...
12:29pm Mon 8 Feb 10

Lord Palmerston wrote:
Glass houses, Paddy McGinty. Homophobia means an irrational fear of things which are the same.Does that help you to understand? You are correct, in your own way, that following a civil war the 2 Pakistans took on different names. Indeed England plays Deutschland in the World Cup and I can fly from Kidlington to Geneva in the Helvetian Confederation, but I tend to call places what English people have usually called them and since English people created East and West Pakistan from a number of principalities, I'll probably stick at that name. I don't suppose you can fly anywhere from the Scottish town in question and, since abuse is what you feel best proves your point, are you sure that your fellow countrymen are not laughing at you for wearing flesh coloured tights under your kilt?
Greek is one of my languages, Lord P, and I understand the English construct "Homophobia", which is used to describe hatred of homosexuals, ie those in same-sex relationships, not "fear of things which are the same."
I also think you'll find that the division of India and East and West Pakistan was agreed by the parties involved at the time "English" Empire agreed to independence of India.
If you call things what English people have usually called them, why call Germany Deutschland, and why not call Switzerland (Confederation Helvetique) by the usual term?
Finally, I have not abused you but, rather, believe calling me "Paddy McGinty" and making a puerile gibe about "tights and kilts" falls into that category.
Have a good day!

Lord Palmerston says...
7:06pm Mon 8 Feb 10

"but your latest is completely unintellligible with bad spelling (consensually) and bad syntax. You obviously didn't benefit from an Eton or Rugby education!"
is obviously praise from a Scot. Forgive me for missing the cultural distinction.
In passing the "H" word might be used of people who feel a little nauseous when they discover what the male variety does. That might include you. It includes me, most of the people I know and probably the pope. It is a usual feeling. Doesn't mean we "hate" homosexuals, but as a Scottish scholar I am sure you are well aware of the value of an artificial word which can be used to lump the majority in with those who think it's fun to lie in wait for Ron the Minister down the Old Cardiff Road outside Newport and beat him up.

Patrick Ward says...
2:48pm Tue 9 Feb 10

Lord P, re Ronthe Minister, I think you'll find it was Clapham Common! However, I accept your main point that, disagreeing with the action of someone, doesn't mean you hate them.


Pope Benedict XVI Pupils at St Amand's Primary School in East Hendred, near Wantage, invited the Pope to visit their school

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Pupils at St Amand's Primary School in East Hendred, near Wantage, invited the Pope to visit their school



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