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Estate's menace is given an Asbo

Oxford Mail: Jed Denton Jed Denton

A FOUL-MOUTHED Oxford teenager, who scared the elderly and swore in front of children, has been given an Asbo.

Jed Denton intimidated his neighbourhood by swearing loudly and gathering large groups of unruly youths outside the Underhill Circus council home in Barton he shares with his mother.

Police said the lout’s behaviour had given the estate a bad reputation.

And a neighbourhood officer said Denton had tried to start trouble in the area last year when riots broke out in London.

The 19-year-old was yesterday handed the two-year Antisocial Behaviour Order (Asbo) at Oxford Magistrates’ Court.

He is now banned from using abusive or explicit language in public, congregating with two or more people in the Underhill Circus area, and from entering Barton Chippy, Barton Post Office, or the estate’s Spar store.

During the hearing, Denton smirked as six police officers gave evidence.

Estate Pcso Samantha Carter said Denton was a bad influence on youngsters in Barton. She said: “The elderly have said they do not want to go to the shops anymore because they do not feel safe.

“His swearing and language is heard, and being the hub of Barton it affects everyone who lives there.

“If he wasn’t in the location then things would calm down.”

She added: “We have tried engaging with him in the past.”

Pc Neil Bouse said the estate had a bad reputation because of the groups hanging about near Denton’s house.

He said: “Quite a few of them have criminal backgrounds and are involved in criminal acts in the area.”

Pc Chloe Sutton, also from the Barton team, said Denton had tried to organise a riot in August last year.

She said: “Mr Denton decided to call upon a lot of his associates to hang around his house, intimidate the business owners of the shops, and to incite a mini riot.”

She added: “He has a detrimental effect on the whole community. He does tend to bring undesirables to that centre hub.”

The court also heard Denton had written abusive messages about the police on Facebook.

But Denton said he had lived in Underhill Circus all his life and groups had always gathered there.

Denton said he did not think the Asbo would change Underhill Circus. He added: “There is nowhere to meet. There are no local facilities, no pub. That is the heart of the community and it has been for years.”

And he said bad language was not uncommon on the estate.

Handing the Asbo, magistrate John Kearsey told Denton: “It is clear your behaviour has caused much harassment, alarm and distress to other residents in the community. They will rely on the protection this order will give.”

The prosecution was brought by Oxford City Council. Speaking after the hearing, case officer Emma Barley said: “It will offer the community respite from the antisocial behaviour that has had a huge impact on many of the residents’ lives.”

Denton is also barred from associating with two other individuals.

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9:14am Sat 10 Nov 12

A Scroat says...

What a moron
What a moron A Scroat
  • Score: 5

12:30pm Sat 10 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

A Scroat wrote:
What a moron
I am not a moron, when reading into articles of the oxfordmail you should always be aware there are two sides to everystory.

I do not like the police, and they dont like me.

I am not a thug!

Elderly people arent scared of coming to the shops.

And children do not look upto me, why would they.

This is simply a case that the police don't like me and have used this as a way to get back at me for all there failings.

Solicitors will be in touch with Oxford mail regarding the article which has a number of editorial issues in it.

You must remember that none of these accusations have been proved in a court of law, this was simply an asbo hearing and they did nothing to establish the actual facts.
[quote][p][bold]A Scroat[/bold] wrote: What a moron[/p][/quote]I am not a moron, when reading into articles of the oxfordmail you should always be aware there are two sides to everystory. I do not like the police, and they dont like me. I am not a thug! Elderly people arent scared of coming to the shops. And children do not look upto me, why would they. This is simply a case that the police don't like me and have used this as a way to get back at me for all there failings. Solicitors will be in touch with Oxford mail regarding the article which has a number of editorial issues in it. You must remember that none of these accusations have been proved in a court of law, this was simply an asbo hearing and they did nothing to establish the actual facts. jeddenton
  • Score: -1

12:37pm Sat 10 Nov 12

xjohnx says...

jeddenton wrote:
A Scroat wrote:
What a moron
I am not a moron, when reading into articles of the oxfordmail you should always be aware there are two sides to everystory.

I do not like the police, and they dont like me.

I am not a thug!

Elderly people arent scared of coming to the shops.

And children do not look upto me, why would they.

This is simply a case that the police don't like me and have used this as a way to get back at me for all there failings.

Solicitors will be in touch with Oxford mail regarding the article which has a number of editorial issues in it.

You must remember that none of these accusations have been proved in a court of law, this was simply an asbo hearing and they did nothing to establish the actual facts.
Is this the same lout that called me a ****** and ****** in the street ???

Or is this a hoax message by a troll???
[quote][p][bold]jeddenton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Scroat[/bold] wrote: What a moron[/p][/quote]I am not a moron, when reading into articles of the oxfordmail you should always be aware there are two sides to everystory. I do not like the police, and they dont like me. I am not a thug! Elderly people arent scared of coming to the shops. And children do not look upto me, why would they. This is simply a case that the police don't like me and have used this as a way to get back at me for all there failings. Solicitors will be in touch with Oxford mail regarding the article which has a number of editorial issues in it. You must remember that none of these accusations have been proved in a court of law, this was simply an asbo hearing and they did nothing to establish the actual facts.[/p][/quote]Is this the same lout that called me a ****** and ****** in the street ??? Or is this a hoax message by a troll??? xjohnx
  • Score: 1

4:35pm Sat 10 Nov 12

Blowers says...

Well I think you must be a moron for not recognizing that the evidence must have been tested in a court of law - given that the article states you were issued an asbo yesterday...not an interim asbo - a full asbo. Jeez!
Well I think you must be a moron for not recognizing that the evidence must have been tested in a court of law - given that the article states you were issued an asbo yesterday...not an interim asbo - a full asbo. Jeez! Blowers
  • Score: 7

5:08pm Sat 10 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

Blowers wrote:
Well I think you must be a moron for not recognizing that the evidence must have been tested in a court of law - given that the article states you were issued an asbo yesterday...not an interim asbo - a full asbo. Jeez!
As the hearing was a not a criminal trial the test in the court is not to the criminal standard of evidence.

This means that whereas normally somebody's statement would need supporting evidence in civil proceedings this isnt the case. The court simply takes the word of anything thats said.

Also hearsay evidence and anonymouse statments is admissible in civil proceedings, unlike criminal proceedings. This is is breech of somebodys right to a fair trial.

Regardless of anything everyone should have this right!
[quote][p][bold]Blowers[/bold] wrote: Well I think you must be a moron for not recognizing that the evidence must have been tested in a court of law - given that the article states you were issued an asbo yesterday...not an interim asbo - a full asbo. Jeez![/p][/quote]As the hearing was a not a criminal trial the test in the court is not to the criminal standard of evidence. This means that whereas normally somebody's statement would need supporting evidence in civil proceedings this isnt the case. The court simply takes the word of anything thats said. Also hearsay evidence and anonymouse statments is admissible in civil proceedings, unlike criminal proceedings. This is is breech of somebodys right to a fair trial. Regardless of anything everyone should have this right! jeddenton
  • Score: 4

7:24pm Sat 10 Nov 12

Blowers says...

Yeah, but as it stands, asbos are tested to the criminal standard because the consequences of breach are criminal. Ergo... They got you bang to rights so stop whingeing.
Yeah, but as it stands, asbos are tested to the criminal standard because the consequences of breach are criminal. Ergo... They got you bang to rights so stop whingeing. Blowers
  • Score: 6

3:28am Sun 11 Nov 12

Pavinder Msvarensy says...

1. Anti-social behaviour orders (ASBOs) were introduced by Part 1 of
the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (C&DA). Both the magistrates’
court and county courts are empowered to make an ASBO against
a person aged 10 or older either on application from local
authorities, the chief officer or chief constable of any police force;
the chief constable of the British Transport Police, and persons
registered under section 1 of the Housing Act 1996 such as a
social landlord. The criminal courts are empowered to make an
ASBO at the conclusion of criminal proceedings on conviction of the
offender in addition to the sentence imposed for the offence.
2. ASBOs are civil sanctions but have been classed as criminal
proceedings for funding purposes due to the restrictions that they
can place on individual liberty. An ASBO does not itself give the
defendant a criminal record, but contains conditions prohibiting the
offender from specific anti-social acts or entering into defined areas,
and is effective for a minimum of two years. Breach of an ASBO is,
however, a criminal offence.

I hope this makes things clearer. but one valid point made was about the pub. When the permission was given to demolish the Fox it was on proviso that another pub was built for the community, but the council as always did a U-Turn when pushed by the developer and allowed them to break the agreement and build more flats and no pub. So an Estate the size of Barton was left publess. Had the council not backtracked then Denton and his mates would be in the pub and not on the streets, imagine what the area around the shops would be like on The Leys if both the pubs were shut. I am not defending or attacking anybody, only putting across a point of view.
1. Anti-social behaviour orders (ASBOs) were introduced by Part 1 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (C&DA). Both the magistrates’ court and county courts are empowered to make an ASBO against a person aged 10 or older either on application from local authorities, the chief officer or chief constable of any police force; the chief constable of the British Transport Police, and persons registered under section 1 of the Housing Act 1996 such as a social landlord. The criminal courts are empowered to make an ASBO at the conclusion of criminal proceedings on conviction of the offender in addition to the sentence imposed for the offence. 2. ASBOs are civil sanctions but have been classed as criminal proceedings for funding purposes due to the restrictions that they can place on individual liberty. An ASBO does not itself give the defendant a criminal record, but contains conditions prohibiting the offender from specific anti-social acts or entering into defined areas, and is effective for a minimum of two years. Breach of an ASBO is, however, a criminal offence. I hope this makes things clearer. but one valid point made was about the pub. When the permission was given to demolish the Fox it was on proviso that another pub was built for the community, but the council as always did a U-Turn when pushed by the developer and allowed them to break the agreement and build more flats and no pub. So an Estate the size of Barton was left publess. Had the council not backtracked then Denton and his mates would be in the pub and not on the streets, imagine what the area around the shops would be like on The Leys if both the pubs were shut. I am not defending or attacking anybody, only putting across a point of view. Pavinder Msvarensy
  • Score: -55

8:16am Sun 11 Nov 12

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

How is there not being a pub a valid point by somebody who clearly thinks he is able to do what he wants,when he wants on an estate ? Imagine how much worse it would have been had they been able to get drunk first.

Regardless of where you live and the surroundings you are bought up in there is NO excuse to make other peoples lives a living hell.
How is there not being a pub a valid point by somebody who clearly thinks he is able to do what he wants,when he wants on an estate ? Imagine how much worse it would have been had they been able to get drunk first. Regardless of where you live and the surroundings you are bought up in there is NO excuse to make other peoples lives a living hell. Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
  • Score: 8

8:19am Sun 11 Nov 12

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

She said: “Mr Denton decided to call upon a lot of his associates to hang around his house, intimidate the business owners of the shops, and to incite a mini riot.”


If this is true then why was he not put in prison as were the so called 'rioters' imprisoned for comments made on Facebook ?
She said: “Mr Denton decided to call upon a lot of his associates to hang around his house, intimidate the business owners of the shops, and to incite a mini riot.” If this is true then why was he not put in prison as were the so called 'rioters' imprisoned for comments made on Facebook ? Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
  • Score: 3

10:11am Sun 11 Nov 12

DoctorBob says...

Because, as has been pointed out, the rigors of proof are diluted in the case of an ASBO.
Because, as has been pointed out, the rigors of proof are diluted in the case of an ASBO. DoctorBob
  • Score: 3

4:26pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Doctor69 says...

No pub near me, at least a 30min walk. Can I go outside and abuse my neighbours too?
Seriously, get a job and grow up a bit!
No pub near me, at least a 30min walk. Can I go outside and abuse my neighbours too? Seriously, get a job and grow up a bit! Doctor69
  • Score: 8

7:18pm Sun 11 Nov 12

mandate says...

Jed, me old mate... I suggest you spend more time at the gym, instead of hanging around the streets. Not only do you appear to abuse other people, but judging by your protruding stomach, you seem to be abusing yourself. The ASBO that bans you from the Barton chippy, is probably doing you and your health a big favour.
The fact that you obviously loath yourself is probably the reason you feel you have to abuse others. I'm sure if you lost a bit of weight, and smartened yourself up a bit, you'd like yourself a lot more. Good luck!
Jed, me old mate... I suggest you spend more time at the gym, instead of hanging around the streets. Not only do you appear to abuse other people, but judging by your protruding stomach, you seem to be abusing yourself. The ASBO that bans you from the Barton chippy, is probably doing you and your health a big favour. The fact that you obviously loath yourself is probably the reason you feel you have to abuse others. I'm sure if you lost a bit of weight, and smartened yourself up a bit, you'd like yourself a lot more. Good luck! mandate
  • Score: 12

7:28pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Pavinder Msvarensy says...

Dr Bob, you are obviously a civilised person who can make his own entertainment, or walk or afford a cab to your nearest pub, but the person in question cannot, so providing facilities near home especially on council estates has proved to be one of the answers, just ask any social worker.
Dr Bob, you are obviously a civilised person who can make his own entertainment, or walk or afford a cab to your nearest pub, but the person in question cannot, so providing facilities near home especially on council estates has proved to be one of the answers, just ask any social worker. Pavinder Msvarensy
  • Score: -64

11:47pm Sun 11 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

What people seem to forget here is that I haven't scared the elderly or been abusive to children.

I have had dealings with the police in the past and they do not like me. This is the simple truth of the matter.

In these proceedings there was no standard of proof nor any evidence of abused neighbours, i actually get on well with people living near by.

The oxford mail has given a one sided view on my by one appearance in court which was based purely on hearsay evidence and pending convictions i haven't been charged with.

Our justice system should work better than this, ANYONE that lives in Barton around the shops area knows what i am really like and its far from how the oxford mail portray me.

All the accusations against me are simply untrue. I am easily wound up by incompetant police officers which makes me get angry and become abusive.

I mean I have been arrested for a burglary were the offender climbed up a plastic drain pipe and through a bathroom window, which i'm sure you can appreciate would be hard for someone of my size. Wouldn't you probably swear at the police officers?

What if you were verbally abused by a police officer, they called me a 'fat ****'. Wouldn't you be angry?

Has this asbo stopped people from hanging around outside my house and at the shops drinking, swearing and being loud? No it hasn't. The area still has the same problems it has had for years.

I have simply been used as a scape goat by the council and police in the area. They are failing to curb anti social behavior in Barton.

I agree with comments saying if i incited a riot i should of been arrested for that and put before the courts the simple fact is its not the case. It didn't happen!
What people seem to forget here is that I haven't scared the elderly or been abusive to children. I have had dealings with the police in the past and they do not like me. This is the simple truth of the matter. In these proceedings there was no standard of proof nor any evidence of abused neighbours, i actually get on well with people living near by. The oxford mail has given a one sided view on my by one appearance in court which was based purely on hearsay evidence and pending convictions i haven't been charged with. Our justice system should work better than this, ANYONE that lives in Barton around the shops area knows what i am really like and its far from how the oxford mail portray me. All the accusations against me are simply untrue. I am easily wound up by incompetant police officers which makes me get angry and become abusive. I mean I have been arrested for a burglary were the offender climbed up a plastic drain pipe and through a bathroom window, which i'm sure you can appreciate would be hard for someone of my size. Wouldn't you probably swear at the police officers? What if you were verbally abused by a police officer, they called me a 'fat ****'. Wouldn't you be angry? Has this asbo stopped people from hanging around outside my house and at the shops drinking, swearing and being loud? No it hasn't. The area still has the same problems it has had for years. I have simply been used as a scape goat by the council and police in the area. They are failing to curb anti social behavior in Barton. I agree with comments saying if i incited a riot i should of been arrested for that and put before the courts the simple fact is its not the case. It didn't happen! jeddenton
  • Score: 5

11:51pm Sun 11 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

Doctor69 wrote:
No pub near me, at least a 30min walk. Can I go outside and abuse my neighbours too?
Seriously, get a job and grow up a bit!
I have a job thanks!

If you'd like I can put you in touch with my neighbors, i'm not sure there share your view that I abuse them!
[quote][p][bold]Doctor69[/bold] wrote: No pub near me, at least a 30min walk. Can I go outside and abuse my neighbours too? Seriously, get a job and grow up a bit![/p][/quote]I have a job thanks! If you'd like I can put you in touch with my neighbors, i'm not sure there share your view that I abuse them! jeddenton
  • Score: 0

11:56pm Sun 11 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

Blowers wrote:
Yeah, but as it stands, asbos are tested to the criminal standard because the consequences of breach are criminal. Ergo... They got you bang to rights so stop whingeing.
I'm sorry i think you need to brush up on your legal skills. Simply because breech of an asbo is a crimininal offence it doesn't mean asbos are tested to the criminal standard.

They are civil proceedings, if they were criminal then most of the evidence would of been admissable. He said she said evidence is not allowed for good reason.

All the court would have to do when examining a breech is whether the breech itself took place not the legality of the order itself.
[quote][p][bold]Blowers[/bold] wrote: Yeah, but as it stands, asbos are tested to the criminal standard because the consequences of breach are criminal. Ergo... They got you bang to rights so stop whingeing.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry i think you need to brush up on your legal skills. Simply because breech of an asbo is a crimininal offence it doesn't mean asbos are tested to the criminal standard. They are civil proceedings, if they were criminal then most of the evidence would of been admissable. He said she said evidence is not allowed for good reason. All the court would have to do when examining a breech is whether the breech itself took place not the legality of the order itself. jeddenton
  • Score: 1

12:26am Mon 12 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
How is there not being a pub a valid point by somebody who clearly thinks he is able to do what he wants,when he wants on an estate ? Imagine how much worse it would have been had they been able to get drunk first.

Regardless of where you live and the surroundings you are bought up in there is NO excuse to make other peoples lives a living hell.
A pub is not necessarily a place were you have to get drunk. I certainly wouldn't be there getting drunk (I do not drink!) simply socializing in a normal manner with friends.

If i decide to meet with friends and socialize i should not be punished for this. Theres nowere to go, so we meet at the shops. Not so people wont come there simply because theres nowere else to go.

You are under some kind of allusion that, Im trying to justify what im accused to of done.

I on the other hand simply want a fair trial to see it what they is accused of me is true. It is not, no elderly people scared or life's wrecked by me.

My recent convictions were for driving offences and handling a stolen camera. NOT anti social behaviour.

If what they say about me is true then I should be arrested, charged and put to trial. Not simply handed as asbo simply because they do not have to prove what they say.
[quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: How is there not being a pub a valid point by somebody who clearly thinks he is able to do what he wants,when he wants on an estate ? Imagine how much worse it would have been had they been able to get drunk first. Regardless of where you live and the surroundings you are bought up in there is NO excuse to make other peoples lives a living hell.[/p][/quote]A pub is not necessarily a place were you have to get drunk. I certainly wouldn't be there getting drunk (I do not drink!) simply socializing in a normal manner with friends. If i decide to meet with friends and socialize i should not be punished for this. Theres nowere to go, so we meet at the shops. Not so people wont come there simply because theres nowere else to go. You are under some kind of allusion that, Im trying to justify what im accused to of done. I on the other hand simply want a fair trial to see it what they is accused of me is true. It is not, no elderly people scared or life's wrecked by me. My recent convictions were for driving offences and handling a stolen camera. NOT anti social behaviour. If what they say about me is true then I should be arrested, charged and put to trial. Not simply handed as asbo simply because they do not have to prove what they say. jeddenton
  • Score: 1

2:19am Mon 12 Nov 12

DoctorBob says...

Pavinder Msvarensy wrote:
Dr Bob, you are obviously a civilised person who can make his own entertainment, or walk or afford a cab to your nearest pub, but the person in question cannot, so providing facilities near home especially on council estates has proved to be one of the answers, just ask any social worker.
Not too sure what your post has to do with my comment?
[quote][p][bold]Pavinder Msvarensy[/bold] wrote: Dr Bob, you are obviously a civilised person who can make his own entertainment, or walk or afford a cab to your nearest pub, but the person in question cannot, so providing facilities near home especially on council estates has proved to be one of the answers, just ask any social worker.[/p][/quote]Not too sure what your post has to do with my comment? DoctorBob
  • Score: 4

2:22am Mon 12 Nov 12

DoctorBob says...

The boy speaks the truth.
The boy speaks the truth. DoctorBob
  • Score: 1

9:01am Mon 12 Nov 12

Gekobelief says...

Can I ask a few questions to Jed, of course I'm assuming you are the person in the article.

You have said 'Solicitors will be in touch with Oxford mail regarding the article which has a number of editorial issues in it.'

What are the number of editorial issues? I understand that it does appear one sided with no voice from the victoms.

Also, the quotes attirbuted to you in the article; did they come from you in a direct question from OM or were they taken from transcritps or what was said at the Court?

I'd quite like to know why you think a pub would improve the situation - you do have good bus services in Barton you are not that far from the London Road and the last time I saw there were a few pubs in Headington. Sorry, i'm just a bit confused - why would a pub solve anti-social behaviour? You can still have people round your house can't you? And if the neighbours complain of noise or behaviour wouldn't those actions be repeated in a pub?

Sorry last question: If you alledge that the Police have it in for you (let's be honest here the Police do have a track record for this) what actions have you taken? Have you taken action for wrongful arrest? I know that sounds over-simplistic but seriously if what has happened and what you have been accused of is false then you should also have a defamation case. Perhaps you could comment on what is true in the article?

'
Can I ask a few questions to Jed, of course I'm assuming you are the person in the article. You have said 'Solicitors will be in touch with Oxford mail regarding the article which has a number of editorial issues in it.' What are the number of editorial issues? I understand that it does appear one sided with no voice from the victoms. Also, the quotes attirbuted to you in the article; did they come from you in a direct question from OM or were they taken from transcritps or what was said at the Court? I'd quite like to know why you think a pub would improve the situation - you do have good bus services in Barton you are not that far from the London Road and the last time I saw there were a few pubs in Headington. Sorry, i'm just a bit confused - why would a pub solve anti-social behaviour? You can still have people round your house can't you? And if the neighbours complain of noise or behaviour wouldn't those actions be repeated in a pub? Sorry last question: If you alledge that the Police have it in for you (let's be honest here the Police do have a track record for this) what actions have you taken? Have you taken action for wrongful arrest? I know that sounds over-simplistic but seriously if what has happened and what you have been accused of is false then you should also have a defamation case. Perhaps you could comment on what is true in the article? ' Gekobelief
  • Score: 1

1:11pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Doctor69 says...

Jed, if this is you posting....You come across as a decent sort of guy from the comments you have made.

Why not use this asbo as a chance to make a fresh start?
Stop hanging around shops etc and getting into trouble with the police? Fair enough you feel the police target you. Maybe they do, I dont know. However, if you dont give them the opportunitys.....

I apologise for my 'Get a job' comment. I presumed you wouldnt have time / energy to be causing these issues after a days work.
Jed, if this is you posting....You come across as a decent sort of guy from the comments you have made. Why not use this asbo as a chance to make a fresh start? Stop hanging around shops etc and getting into trouble with the police? Fair enough you feel the police target you. Maybe they do, I dont know. However, if you dont give them the opportunitys..... I apologise for my 'Get a job' comment. I presumed you wouldnt have time / energy to be causing these issues after a days work. Doctor69
  • Score: 2

6:14pm Mon 12 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

Gekobelief wrote:
Can I ask a few questions to Jed, of course I'm assuming you are the person in the article.

You have said 'Solicitors will be in touch with Oxford mail regarding the article which has a number of editorial issues in it.'

What are the number of editorial issues? I understand that it does appear one sided with no voice from the victoms.

Also, the quotes attirbuted to you in the article; did they come from you in a direct question from OM or were they taken from transcritps or what was said at the Court?

I'd quite like to know why you think a pub would improve the situation - you do have good bus services in Barton you are not that far from the London Road and the last time I saw there were a few pubs in Headington. Sorry, i'm just a bit confused - why would a pub solve anti-social behaviour? You can still have people round your house can't you? And if the neighbours complain of noise or behaviour wouldn't those actions be repeated in a pub?

Sorry last question: If you alledge that the Police have it in for you (let's be honest here the Police do have a track record for this) what actions have you taken? Have you taken action for wrongful arrest? I know that sounds over-simplistic but seriously if what has happened and what you have been accused of is false then you should also have a defamation case. Perhaps you could comment on what is true in the article?

'
The article only used transcripts from court testimony which was based mainly on officers opinion,

There was no voice of the victims in the court either just police officers which i admit i have had dealings with in the past and i didn't make there job easy for them.

I have made several complaints to thames valley police regarding several issues to do with officers but nothing was ever done in respect to the officers. I have been arrested for between 5 - 10 offences and on occasions police have come to my house arrested me searched my property then dearrested me.

I have never incited riots not in my mind intimidated the elderly, the oxfordmail failed to bother to contact anyone from the community because the community aren't against me.

The anti social behavior alleged is simply groups gathering around the shops if there was a pub or other things for residents to do there wouldn't be people gathering around the shops.

The truth is i am well known by the police, and i dont make there job easy for them, They have arrested me several times for things i havent done. I have been abusive to police officers but not to anyone in the community.
[quote][p][bold]Gekobelief[/bold] wrote: Can I ask a few questions to Jed, of course I'm assuming you are the person in the article. You have said 'Solicitors will be in touch with Oxford mail regarding the article which has a number of editorial issues in it.' What are the number of editorial issues? I understand that it does appear one sided with no voice from the victoms. Also, the quotes attirbuted to you in the article; did they come from you in a direct question from OM or were they taken from transcritps or what was said at the Court? I'd quite like to know why you think a pub would improve the situation - you do have good bus services in Barton you are not that far from the London Road and the last time I saw there were a few pubs in Headington. Sorry, i'm just a bit confused - why would a pub solve anti-social behaviour? You can still have people round your house can't you? And if the neighbours complain of noise or behaviour wouldn't those actions be repeated in a pub? Sorry last question: If you alledge that the Police have it in for you (let's be honest here the Police do have a track record for this) what actions have you taken? Have you taken action for wrongful arrest? I know that sounds over-simplistic but seriously if what has happened and what you have been accused of is false then you should also have a defamation case. Perhaps you could comment on what is true in the article? '[/p][/quote]The article only used transcripts from court testimony which was based mainly on officers opinion, There was no voice of the victims in the court either just police officers which i admit i have had dealings with in the past and i didn't make there job easy for them. I have made several complaints to thames valley police regarding several issues to do with officers but nothing was ever done in respect to the officers. I have been arrested for between 5 - 10 offences and on occasions police have come to my house arrested me searched my property then dearrested me. I have never incited riots not in my mind intimidated the elderly, the oxfordmail failed to bother to contact anyone from the community because the community aren't against me. The anti social behavior alleged is simply groups gathering around the shops if there was a pub or other things for residents to do there wouldn't be people gathering around the shops. The truth is i am well known by the police, and i dont make there job easy for them, They have arrested me several times for things i havent done. I have been abusive to police officers but not to anyone in the community. jeddenton
  • Score: -3

8:41pm Mon 12 Nov 12

rabbitrr says...

The simple fact that a large number of teenagers gather around outside the shop in the evening can be intimidating enough to elderly residents.

Even more so if the teenagers (mostly underage) are unruly or pester everyone going into the shop to buy fags or alcohol for them.

As for getting knicked all the time, a simple answer there, don't:
Gob off to Plod.
Break the law.
Handle stolen property (see above).
Committ traffic offences.
Associate with people that condone commiting any of the above.
The simple fact that a large number of teenagers gather around outside the shop in the evening can be intimidating enough to elderly residents. Even more so if the teenagers (mostly underage) are unruly or pester everyone going into the shop to buy fags or alcohol for them. As for getting knicked all the time, a simple answer there, don't: Gob off to Plod. Break the law. Handle stolen property (see above). Committ traffic offences. Associate with people that condone commiting any of the above. rabbitrr
  • Score: 5

10:20pm Mon 12 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

rabbitrr wrote:
The simple fact that a large number of teenagers gather around outside the shop in the evening can be intimidating enough to elderly residents.

Even more so if the teenagers (mostly underage) are unruly or pester everyone going into the shop to buy fags or alcohol for them.

As for getting knicked all the time, a simple answer there, don't:
Gob off to Plod.
Break the law.
Handle stolen property (see above).
Committ traffic offences.
Associate with people that condone commiting any of the above.
I do not deny commiting some offences which I was charged for and brought before the court and given an appropriate sentance.

This asbo doesnt relate to the people you are talking about and i do not associate with them who stand outside the shops pesting people. That may be why people feel intiminidated to go to the shops - but thats not me - i cannot be held responcible for the actions of everyone around underhill circus simply because i live there.

If i break the law and get arrested then the police have done there job. the fact still stands that I have been arrested near on 10 times this year and found guilty for only 2 offences.

As for your comment regarding who i associate with. With all due respect that's an impossible task and I tend not to judge people on what an unjust legal system thinks of them.

Everyone has rights one of these is freedom of expression. If through my personal dealings with the police I've found them to be useless and incompetent, its my right to express this in whatever way I like as long as it doesn't cause harassment alarm or fear.

Is it really reasonable to say in this day and age that people are actually offended at bad language (so long as its not directed at them)?

Do we live in a world that once your involved in the criminal justice system you cannot get out of it?

I was given a suspended sentance of eight weeks in prison suspended for 12 months, with 3 months tag (7pm - 7am curfew) for a driving offence, to which 3 months supervision was added and a £300 fine £85 costs and £15 victims surcharge issued for handling a stolen camera.

The order has just finished so thats 15 months since i was charged with a criminal offence. In this time ive been wrongfully arrested, subject to illegal searches and verbally abused by police officers. Yet no prosecution of police officers.
[quote][p][bold]rabbitrr[/bold] wrote: The simple fact that a large number of teenagers gather around outside the shop in the evening can be intimidating enough to elderly residents. Even more so if the teenagers (mostly underage) are unruly or pester everyone going into the shop to buy fags or alcohol for them. As for getting knicked all the time, a simple answer there, don't: Gob off to Plod. Break the law. Handle stolen property (see above). Committ traffic offences. Associate with people that condone commiting any of the above.[/p][/quote]I do not deny commiting some offences which I was charged for and brought before the court and given an appropriate sentance. This asbo doesnt relate to the people you are talking about and i do not associate with them who stand outside the shops pesting people. That may be why people feel intiminidated to go to the shops - but thats not me - i cannot be held responcible for the actions of everyone around underhill circus simply because i live there. If i break the law and get arrested then the police have done there job. the fact still stands that I have been arrested near on 10 times this year and found guilty for only 2 offences. As for your comment regarding who i associate with. With all due respect that's an impossible task and I tend not to judge people on what an unjust legal system thinks of them. Everyone has rights one of these is freedom of expression. If through my personal dealings with the police I've found them to be useless and incompetent, its my right to express this in whatever way I like as long as it doesn't cause harassment alarm or fear. Is it really reasonable to say in this day and age that people are actually offended at bad language (so long as its not directed at them)? Do we live in a world that once your involved in the criminal justice system you cannot get out of it? I was given a suspended sentance of eight weeks in prison suspended for 12 months, with 3 months tag (7pm - 7am curfew) for a driving offence, to which 3 months supervision was added and a £300 fine £85 costs and £15 victims surcharge issued for handling a stolen camera. The order has just finished so thats 15 months since i was charged with a criminal offence. In this time ive been wrongfully arrested, subject to illegal searches and verbally abused by police officers. Yet no prosecution of police officers. jeddenton
  • Score: 1

8:07am Tue 13 Nov 12

## Nonny Mouse ## says...

You folks do realise that you are speaking to Mr.Denton's legal representative and not him, don't you?
You folks do realise that you are speaking to Mr.Denton's legal representative and not him, don't you? ## Nonny Mouse ##
  • Score: -1

11:06am Tue 13 Nov 12

NinjaBiscuits says...

## Nonny Mouse ## wrote:
You folks do realise that you are speaking to Mr.Denton's legal representative and not him, don't you?
I would hope that a legal representative would know how to use a spell-checker ...
[quote][p][bold]## Nonny Mouse ##[/bold] wrote: You folks do realise that you are speaking to Mr.Denton's legal representative and not him, don't you?[/p][/quote]I would hope that a legal representative would know how to use a spell-checker ... NinjaBiscuits
  • Score: 0

11:54am Tue 13 Nov 12

WhereIlive says...

...and without nit-picking, the difference between there and their?
...and without nit-picking, the difference between there and their? WhereIlive
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Tue 13 Nov 12

## Nonny Mouse ## says...

all part of the act.
all part of the act. ## Nonny Mouse ##
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Tue 13 Nov 12

## Nonny Mouse ## says...

and as for the 'No pub, simply nothing to do' defense. Give me strength. There are at least 3 pubs within a mile of Underhill Circus. Bone idle.

He doesn't deny previous offences yet wonders why the Police 'don't like him'.

Shape up kid.
and as for the 'No pub, simply nothing to do' defense. Give me strength. There are at least 3 pubs within a mile of Underhill Circus. Bone idle. He doesn't deny previous offences yet wonders why the Police 'don't like him'. Shape up kid. ## Nonny Mouse ##
  • Score: 1

4:36pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Pavinder Msvarensy says...

Once the police have their beady eye on you, then you are tagged for a long time, and pulled for anything as it makes their lives easier. The police generally ARE incompetent, and without the use of a Speed Gun Reading, DNA evidence, or CCTV Footage, seem incapable of solving crimes without fabricating evidence against the above "tagged" people. To be arrested ten times in one year and only found to be guilty of a motoring offence and a minor crime, shows the police to be either vindictive, or extremely incompetent . Can any of you honestly say that you would be happy with being arrested nearly every month for something that you had not done.
Once the police have their beady eye on you, then you are tagged for a long time, and pulled for anything as it makes their lives easier. The police generally ARE incompetent, and without the use of a Speed Gun Reading, DNA evidence, or CCTV Footage, seem incapable of solving crimes without fabricating evidence against the above "tagged" people. To be arrested ten times in one year and only found to be guilty of a motoring offence and a minor crime, shows the police to be either vindictive, or extremely incompetent . Can any of you honestly say that you would be happy with being arrested nearly every month for something that you had not done. Pavinder Msvarensy
  • Score: -50

4:39pm Tue 13 Nov 12

online_reader says...

## Nonny Mouse ## wrote:
You folks do realise that you are speaking to Mr.Denton's legal representative and not him, don't you?
He certainly is extremely well written; the odd typo but otherwise apparently very well educated. I have a friend with a PhD who has the annoying tic of failing to capitalise 'i'. Still, I don't believe a legal representative for a very low level criminal of modest income would be wasting unbilled time on the OM comments page, and it's highly unlikely that he has a press relations officer. Unless Mr Denton is worth a great deal of money, on the balance of probability, this is indeed him. If he could only learn not to be so entertainingly easy to arrest when he's provoked, the bullies would soon get bored and move on. He might even find a way to use this experience for something useful. He'd actually make a very good advocate if he could control his temper under duress.
[quote][p][bold]## Nonny Mouse ##[/bold] wrote: You folks do realise that you are speaking to Mr.Denton's legal representative and not him, don't you?[/p][/quote]He certainly is extremely well written; the odd typo but otherwise apparently very well educated. I have a friend with a PhD who has the annoying tic of failing to capitalise 'i'. Still, I don't believe a legal representative for a very low level criminal of modest income would be wasting unbilled time on the OM comments page, and it's highly unlikely that he has a press relations officer. Unless Mr Denton is worth a great deal of money, on the balance of probability, this is indeed him. If he could only learn not to be so entertainingly easy to arrest when he's provoked, the bullies would soon get bored and move on. He might even find a way to use this experience for something useful. He'd actually make a very good advocate if he could control his temper under duress. online_reader
  • Score: 1

5:09pm Tue 13 Nov 12

AlexF says...

Pavinder Msvarensy wrote:
1. Anti-social behaviour orders (ASBOs) were introduced by Part 1 of
the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (C&DA). Both the magistrates’
court and county courts are empowered to make an ASBO against
a person aged 10 or older either on application from local
authorities, the chief officer or chief constable of any police force;
the chief constable of the British Transport Police, and persons
registered under section 1 of the Housing Act 1996 such as a
social landlord. The criminal courts are empowered to make an
ASBO at the conclusion of criminal proceedings on conviction of the
offender in addition to the sentence imposed for the offence.
2. ASBOs are civil sanctions but have been classed as criminal
proceedings for funding purposes due to the restrictions that they
can place on individual liberty. An ASBO does not itself give the
defendant a criminal record, but contains conditions prohibiting the
offender from specific anti-social acts or entering into defined areas,
and is effective for a minimum of two years. Breach of an ASBO is,
however, a criminal offence.

I hope this makes things clearer. but one valid point made was about the pub. When the permission was given to demolish the Fox it was on proviso that another pub was built for the community, but the council as always did a U-Turn when pushed by the developer and allowed them to break the agreement and build more flats and no pub. So an Estate the size of Barton was left publess. Had the council not backtracked then Denton and his mates would be in the pub and not on the streets, imagine what the area around the shops would be like on The Leys if both the pubs were shut. I am not defending or attacking anybody, only putting across a point of view.
You have a valid point about the pub situation in Barton, however, you seem to forget that Headington is just down the road and there are PLENTY of pubs within that particular area.
[quote][p][bold]Pavinder Msvarensy[/bold] wrote: 1. Anti-social behaviour orders (ASBOs) were introduced by Part 1 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (C&DA). Both the magistrates’ court and county courts are empowered to make an ASBO against a person aged 10 or older either on application from local authorities, the chief officer or chief constable of any police force; the chief constable of the British Transport Police, and persons registered under section 1 of the Housing Act 1996 such as a social landlord. The criminal courts are empowered to make an ASBO at the conclusion of criminal proceedings on conviction of the offender in addition to the sentence imposed for the offence. 2. ASBOs are civil sanctions but have been classed as criminal proceedings for funding purposes due to the restrictions that they can place on individual liberty. An ASBO does not itself give the defendant a criminal record, but contains conditions prohibiting the offender from specific anti-social acts or entering into defined areas, and is effective for a minimum of two years. Breach of an ASBO is, however, a criminal offence. I hope this makes things clearer. but one valid point made was about the pub. When the permission was given to demolish the Fox it was on proviso that another pub was built for the community, but the council as always did a U-Turn when pushed by the developer and allowed them to break the agreement and build more flats and no pub. So an Estate the size of Barton was left publess. Had the council not backtracked then Denton and his mates would be in the pub and not on the streets, imagine what the area around the shops would be like on The Leys if both the pubs were shut. I am not defending or attacking anybody, only putting across a point of view.[/p][/quote]You have a valid point about the pub situation in Barton, however, you seem to forget that Headington is just down the road and there are PLENTY of pubs within that particular area. AlexF
  • Score: 0

8:57pm Tue 13 Nov 12

oxfordox3 says...

Unfortunately Jed you and the gang of people you hang out with at the shops are very intimidating when you hang out so called socialising outside your house. I live in barton and i cant go to the shops as im scared too as you and your gang bad mouth people walking about and when i am driving round underhill circus looks are exchanged and its very nerving. Arron doesnt seem to have an asbo so why dont you look up at him.
Unfortunately Jed you and the gang of people you hang out with at the shops are very intimidating when you hang out so called socialising outside your house. I live in barton and i cant go to the shops as im scared too as you and your gang bad mouth people walking about and when i am driving round underhill circus looks are exchanged and its very nerving. Arron doesnt seem to have an asbo so why dont you look up at him. oxfordox3
  • Score: 1

12:41am Wed 14 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

oxfordox3 wrote:
Unfortunately Jed you and the gang of people you hang out with at the shops are very intimidating when you hang out so called socialising outside your house. I live in barton and i cant go to the shops as im scared too as you and your gang bad mouth people walking about and when i am driving round underhill circus looks are exchanged and its very nerving. Arron doesnt seem to have an asbo so why dont you look up at him.
And you must be a police officer!

There's no reason for you to be scared coming to the shops. I honestly don't no why you would be.

Can I ask are you bothered by me or groups of people congregating at the shops itself?

Seriously don't try and say you have ever witnessed anyone being abused by me.

I can confirm I'm not a legal rep, I'm sure there far to busy to bother writing on here.

I have tried to use the best grammar I can as I'm aware oxford mail readers seem to all be English teachers with far to much time on there hands.

Do not stereotype me as a jobless penniless dumb criminal as this is not the case.

The point still stands the police are incompetent and used an asbo as a way of punishing someone for crimes which haven't been tested in a proper court. And an asbo should be conducted as a criminal trial would to the same standard of proof. He said she said evidence should simply not be allowed in court in any circumstances. It leads to unjust decisions and a totally biased legal system. One of the fundamental rights we have is the right to a fair trial which should be applicable to all and not only some.
[quote][p][bold]oxfordox3[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Jed you and the gang of people you hang out with at the shops are very intimidating when you hang out so called socialising outside your house. I live in barton and i cant go to the shops as im scared too as you and your gang bad mouth people walking about and when i am driving round underhill circus looks are exchanged and its very nerving. Arron doesnt seem to have an asbo so why dont you look up at him.[/p][/quote]And you must be a police officer! There's no reason for you to be scared coming to the shops. I honestly don't no why you would be. Can I ask are you bothered by me or groups of people congregating at the shops itself? Seriously don't try and say you have ever witnessed anyone being abused by me. I can confirm I'm not a legal rep, I'm sure there far to busy to bother writing on here. I have tried to use the best grammar I can as I'm aware oxford mail readers seem to all be English teachers with far to much time on there hands. Do not stereotype me as a jobless penniless dumb criminal as this is not the case. The point still stands the police are incompetent and used an asbo as a way of punishing someone for crimes which haven't been tested in a proper court. And an asbo should be conducted as a criminal trial would to the same standard of proof. He said she said evidence should simply not be allowed in court in any circumstances. It leads to unjust decisions and a totally biased legal system. One of the fundamental rights we have is the right to a fair trial which should be applicable to all and not only some. jeddenton
  • Score: 2

1:11am Wed 14 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

AlexF wrote:
Pavinder Msvarensy wrote:
1. Anti-social behaviour orders (ASBOs) were introduced by Part 1 of
the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (C&DA). Both the magistrates’
court and county courts are empowered to make an ASBO against
a person aged 10 or older either on application from local
authorities, the chief officer or chief constable of any police force;
the chief constable of the British Transport Police, and persons
registered under section 1 of the Housing Act 1996 such as a
social landlord. The criminal courts are empowered to make an
ASBO at the conclusion of criminal proceedings on conviction of the
offender in addition to the sentence imposed for the offence.
2. ASBOs are civil sanctions but have been classed as criminal
proceedings for funding purposes due to the restrictions that they
can place on individual liberty. An ASBO does not itself give the
defendant a criminal record, but contains conditions prohibiting the
offender from specific anti-social acts or entering into defined areas,
and is effective for a minimum of two years. Breach of an ASBO is,
however, a criminal offence.

I hope this makes things clearer. but one valid point made was about the pub. When the permission was given to demolish the Fox it was on proviso that another pub was built for the community, but the council as always did a U-Turn when pushed by the developer and allowed them to break the agreement and build more flats and no pub. So an Estate the size of Barton was left publess. Had the council not backtracked then Denton and his mates would be in the pub and not on the streets, imagine what the area around the shops would be like on The Leys if both the pubs were shut. I am not defending or attacking anybody, only putting across a point of view.
You have a valid point about the pub situation in Barton, however, you seem to forget that Headington is just down the road and there are PLENTY of pubs within that particular area.
The issue is not simply lack of a pub on Barton, to much has been made of this comment. I was just making a point that the shops is a meeting place for the community. (I believe the redevelopment of the shops was designed to encourage people to use the space at the shops more)

Seriously the council redeveloped the shops area with various spaces designed to sit and now wonder why the shops is a meeting place for people.

the fact that i know alot of people surely is testimony that i am a friendly person, I often speak to people from all walks of life and of all ages at the shops while going about my business and I try to be polite at all times.

When I was outside my home I got to know a 63 year old man who had just moved to the area didn't know anyone and had no money even for basic essentials. I helped him out as much as I could this helped him settle in and he obviously wasn't scared or intimidated.

Barton is a small community that deals with its own problems, we don't need incompetent police officers to help us with this.

In a community like Barton everyone knows everyone and to an outsider this may make them uncomfortable.
[quote][p][bold]AlexF[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pavinder Msvarensy[/bold] wrote: 1. Anti-social behaviour orders (ASBOs) were introduced by Part 1 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (C&DA). Both the magistrates’ court and county courts are empowered to make an ASBO against a person aged 10 or older either on application from local authorities, the chief officer or chief constable of any police force; the chief constable of the British Transport Police, and persons registered under section 1 of the Housing Act 1996 such as a social landlord. The criminal courts are empowered to make an ASBO at the conclusion of criminal proceedings on conviction of the offender in addition to the sentence imposed for the offence. 2. ASBOs are civil sanctions but have been classed as criminal proceedings for funding purposes due to the restrictions that they can place on individual liberty. An ASBO does not itself give the defendant a criminal record, but contains conditions prohibiting the offender from specific anti-social acts or entering into defined areas, and is effective for a minimum of two years. Breach of an ASBO is, however, a criminal offence. I hope this makes things clearer. but one valid point made was about the pub. When the permission was given to demolish the Fox it was on proviso that another pub was built for the community, but the council as always did a U-Turn when pushed by the developer and allowed them to break the agreement and build more flats and no pub. So an Estate the size of Barton was left publess. Had the council not backtracked then Denton and his mates would be in the pub and not on the streets, imagine what the area around the shops would be like on The Leys if both the pubs were shut. I am not defending or attacking anybody, only putting across a point of view.[/p][/quote]You have a valid point about the pub situation in Barton, however, you seem to forget that Headington is just down the road and there are PLENTY of pubs within that particular area.[/p][/quote]The issue is not simply lack of a pub on Barton, to much has been made of this comment. I was just making a point that the shops is a meeting place for the community. (I believe the redevelopment of the shops was designed to encourage people to use the space at the shops more) Seriously the council redeveloped the shops area with various spaces designed to sit and now wonder why the shops is a meeting place for people. the fact that i know alot of people surely is testimony that i am a friendly person, I often speak to people from all walks of life and of all ages at the shops while going about my business and I try to be polite at all times. When I was outside my home I got to know a 63 year old man who had just moved to the area didn't know anyone and had no money even for basic essentials. I helped him out as much as I could this helped him settle in and he obviously wasn't scared or intimidated. Barton is a small community that deals with its own problems, we don't need incompetent police officers to help us with this. In a community like Barton everyone knows everyone and to an outsider this may make them uncomfortable. jeddenton
  • Score: 3

9:21am Wed 14 Nov 12

## Nonny Mouse ## says...

Pavinder Msvarensy wrote:
Once the police have their beady eye on you, then you are tagged for a long time, and pulled for anything as it makes their lives easier. The police generally ARE incompetent, and without the use of a Speed Gun Reading, DNA evidence, or CCTV Footage, seem incapable of solving crimes without fabricating evidence against the above "tagged" people. To be arrested ten times in one year and only found to be guilty of a motoring offence and a minor crime, shows the police to be either vindictive, or extremely incompetent . Can any of you honestly say that you would be happy with being arrested nearly every month for something that you had not done.
Yes, but look at crime statistics for any town or city. Over 90% of the crime is commited by under 5% of the population. I.e - it's the same people getting into trouble week-in, week-out.

If you have 'made a name' for yourself, then you will always be the first point of call should there be trouble, regardless of if you have had nothing to do with it,.

I understand that it must be very frustrating and seem unjust, but that's the way the world works and, regrettably, i don't think that can be changed by one man.

Perhaps time to move somewhere new and start a fresh?
[quote][p][bold]Pavinder Msvarensy[/bold] wrote: Once the police have their beady eye on you, then you are tagged for a long time, and pulled for anything as it makes their lives easier. The police generally ARE incompetent, and without the use of a Speed Gun Reading, DNA evidence, or CCTV Footage, seem incapable of solving crimes without fabricating evidence against the above "tagged" people. To be arrested ten times in one year and only found to be guilty of a motoring offence and a minor crime, shows the police to be either vindictive, or extremely incompetent . Can any of you honestly say that you would be happy with being arrested nearly every month for something that you had not done.[/p][/quote]Yes, but look at crime statistics for any town or city. Over 90% of the crime is commited by under 5% of the population. I.e - it's the same people getting into trouble week-in, week-out. If you have 'made a name' for yourself, then you will always be the first point of call should there be trouble, regardless of if you have had nothing to do with it,. I understand that it must be very frustrating and seem unjust, but that's the way the world works and, regrettably, i don't think that can be changed by one man. Perhaps time to move somewhere new and start a fresh? ## Nonny Mouse ##
  • Score: 0

1:48pm Wed 14 Nov 12

NinjaBiscuits says...

You're clearly more intelligent than the article would lead me to believe. So can you not see why police "target" you? If a crime has been committed, should a police officer waste their time randomly questioning everyone equally, or question those who have previous? It's common sense. So stop playing the victim, you're not persecuted, it's simple maths.
You're clearly more intelligent than the article would lead me to believe. So can you not see why police "target" you? If a crime has been committed, should a police officer waste their time randomly questioning everyone equally, or question those who have previous? It's common sense. So stop playing the victim, you're not persecuted, it's simple maths. NinjaBiscuits
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Wed 14 Nov 12

oxfordox3 says...

no i am not a police officer jed. I have lived in barton all my life, i know of the people who you hang out with, Everyone in barton knows the names of the people who make trouble in barton and everyone knows your name. yes i am intimidated by you lot. If you want somewhere to hang out. go into your or peoples house, or out of sight there is a field a min away from you house ... a gang of people with a bad name always equals trouble.
no i am not a police officer jed. I have lived in barton all my life, i know of the people who you hang out with, Everyone in barton knows the names of the people who make trouble in barton and everyone knows your name. yes i am intimidated by you lot. If you want somewhere to hang out. go into your or peoples house, or out of sight there is a field a min away from you house ... a gang of people with a bad name always equals trouble. oxfordox3
  • Score: 1

2:22pm Wed 14 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

NinjaBiscuits wrote:
You're clearly more intelligent than the article would lead me to believe. So can you not see why police "target" you? If a crime has been committed, should a police officer waste their time randomly questioning everyone equally, or question those who have previous? It's common sense. So stop playing the victim, you're not persecuted, it's simple maths.
You say this, but my previous is nothing to do with what I get arrested for by these incompetent coppers.

They have arrested me for burglary's, robbery's and theft of motor vehicle I have no convictions wrong.for any of those crimes or similar so anyone with the view of 'police should target those with a past' is wrong and part of the problem. It goes to prove in this country once you've committed an offence you are for ever tarred as a criminal.

Its meant to be innocent until proven guilty but its not. Maybe you should let me know your name and address so I can accuse you of a crime you didnt do and you can receive the same treatment I did.

An officer should have a reasonable suspicion or evidence to make an arrest.

## nonny mouse ##
You say 90% of crime is commited by 5% but what do you expect when police target the same people over and over again.

I brought a camera off a friend, the police arrested me for a burglary i didn't do, searched my property and found the camera which turned out to be stolen. I didn't no it was stolen until the police told me and arrested me for it. I was found guilty of handling stolen goods even through I didn't know and to be guilty of the offence you have to no its stolen.
[quote][p][bold]NinjaBiscuits[/bold] wrote: You're clearly more intelligent than the article would lead me to believe. So can you not see why police "target" you? If a crime has been committed, should a police officer waste their time randomly questioning everyone equally, or question those who have previous? It's common sense. So stop playing the victim, you're not persecuted, it's simple maths.[/p][/quote]You say this, but my previous is nothing to do with what I get arrested for by these incompetent coppers. They have arrested me for burglary's, robbery's and theft of motor vehicle I have no convictions wrong.for any of those crimes or similar so anyone with the view of 'police should target those with a past' is wrong and part of the problem. It goes to prove in this country once you've committed an offence you are for ever tarred as a criminal. Its meant to be innocent until proven guilty but its not. Maybe you should let me know your name and address so I can accuse you of a crime you didnt do and you can receive the same treatment I did. An officer should have a reasonable suspicion or evidence to make an arrest. ## nonny mouse ## You say 90% of crime is commited by 5% but what do you expect when police target the same people over and over again. I brought a camera off a friend, the police arrested me for a burglary i didn't do, searched my property and found the camera which turned out to be stolen. I didn't no it was stolen until the police told me and arrested me for it. I was found guilty of handling stolen goods even through I didn't know and to be guilty of the offence you have to no its stolen. jeddenton
  • Score: 1

3:18pm Wed 14 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

I have been approached by the police today saying these comments have been written by my legal rep.

No its me, just because you cannot believe I'm not thick and have the ability to write comments and know a little bit about the law.
I have been approached by the police today saying these comments have been written by my legal rep. No its me, just because you cannot believe I'm not thick and have the ability to write comments and know a little bit about the law. jeddenton
  • Score: 1

4:20pm Wed 14 Nov 12

NinjaBiscuits says...

That's just the point though isn't it? Don't commit crime in the first place?

And yes, innocent until proven guilty, which is why you were arrested but not charged.

I would be pretty angry if the police were questioning entirely random people without a propensity to commit crime. I take back my "intelligent" remark, btw, since you hit out at me the second you are faced with logic.
That's just the point though isn't it? Don't commit crime in the first place? And yes, innocent until proven guilty, which is why you were arrested but not charged. I would be pretty angry if the police were questioning entirely random people without a propensity to commit crime. I take back my "intelligent" remark, btw, since you hit out at me the second you are faced with logic. NinjaBiscuits
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Wed 14 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

NinjaBiscuits wrote:
That's just the point though isn't it? Don't commit crime in the first place?

And yes, innocent until proven guilty, which is why you were arrested but not charged.

I would be pretty angry if the police were questioning entirely random people without a propensity to commit crime. I take back my "intelligent" remark, btw, since you hit out at me the second you are faced with logic.
The point is i didn't commit 99% of crimes I've ever been arrested for.

How can you say 'don't commit crime in the first place' this has been my point the entire time, i didn't commit the offences i have been arrested for in a lot of cases.

I have simply been honest about the fact I have had criminal convictions in the PAST

I wouldn't expect officers to interview entirely random people but there has to be some element of suspicion or something pointing towards me not simply that I've got previous. So have a lot of people!

Does a driving conviction mean I am a burglar?

In any case you obviously haven't dealt with the police recently (on either side of the fence) So are unable to see were i am coming from.

You say it like being arrested is a fast and lovely experience and that if you haven't done it you wont get charged but what about the time in the police station, the stress this causes and being put on bail for long periods of time with condition while they attempt to find anything that they could use against you.

To me its logical and more cost effective to gather evidence then make an arrest.
[quote][p][bold]NinjaBiscuits[/bold] wrote: That's just the point though isn't it? Don't commit crime in the first place? And yes, innocent until proven guilty, which is why you were arrested but not charged. I would be pretty angry if the police were questioning entirely random people without a propensity to commit crime. I take back my "intelligent" remark, btw, since you hit out at me the second you are faced with logic.[/p][/quote]The point is i didn't commit 99% of crimes I've ever been arrested for. How can you say 'don't commit crime in the first place' this has been my point the entire time, i didn't commit the offences i have been arrested for in a lot of cases. I have simply been honest about the fact I have had criminal convictions in the PAST I wouldn't expect officers to interview entirely random people but there has to be some element of suspicion or something pointing towards me not simply that I've got previous. So have a lot of people! Does a driving conviction mean I am a burglar? In any case you obviously haven't dealt with the police recently (on either side of the fence) So are unable to see were i am coming from. You say it like being arrested is a fast and lovely experience and that if you haven't done it you wont get charged but what about the time in the police station, the stress this causes and being put on bail for long periods of time with condition while they attempt to find anything that they could use against you. To me its logical and more cost effective to gather evidence then make an arrest. jeddenton
  • Score: 2

4:42pm Wed 14 Nov 12

online_reader says...

jeddenton wrote:
I have been approached by the police today saying these comments have been written by my legal rep.

No its me, just because you cannot believe I'm not thick and have the ability to write comments and know a little bit about the law.
You know, the idea of starting afresh isn't such a stupid one. You clearly aren't thick, and obviously don't want to be driven out of your family home, but you are now in a situation that seems likely to deteriorate.

It is a little odd for groups of people your age to be outside, consequently people are going to wonder why and to stare, and you and your friends will stare back, and without anyone having said anything, inside their heads everyone thinks 'what's he looking at?' and before you know it there's anger and distrust. Finding somewhere to congregate indoors would solve some of that.

There are also some issues with the people you consider friends. I am absolutely sure that if I bought a camera from a friend that it would not have been burgled. There are a lot of people in this world that have never considered stealing anything. You give me too much change by mistake and I'll return it, I don't know why, I just will. If someone sells you a stolen camera, they are not your friend, they're taking your money without a care in the world as to what happens to you.

I'm sorry you've ended up in this position, but now that you are, you may have to change your life radically to get yourself out of it. It can be done, there's no question about that, but you've really got to be serious about it. Stop wasting your time arguing with the police; use your energy to turn your world on its head.
[quote][p][bold]jeddenton[/bold] wrote: I have been approached by the police today saying these comments have been written by my legal rep. No its me, just because you cannot believe I'm not thick and have the ability to write comments and know a little bit about the law.[/p][/quote]You know, the idea of starting afresh isn't such a stupid one. You clearly aren't thick, and obviously don't want to be driven out of your family home, but you are now in a situation that seems likely to deteriorate. It is a little odd for groups of people your age to be outside, consequently people are going to wonder why and to stare, and you and your friends will stare back, and without anyone having said anything, inside their heads everyone thinks 'what's he looking at?' and before you know it there's anger and distrust. Finding somewhere to congregate indoors would solve some of that. There are also some issues with the people you consider friends. I am absolutely sure that if I bought a camera from a friend that it would not have been burgled. There are a lot of people in this world that have never considered stealing anything. You give me too much change by mistake and I'll return it, I don't know why, I just will. If someone sells you a stolen camera, they are not your friend, they're taking your money without a care in the world as to what happens to you. I'm sorry you've ended up in this position, but now that you are, you may have to change your life radically to get yourself out of it. It can be done, there's no question about that, but you've really got to be serious about it. Stop wasting your time arguing with the police; use your energy to turn your world on its head. online_reader
  • Score: 1

5:00pm Wed 14 Nov 12

the wizard says...

If "Jed" is so innocent and doesn't do any of the things listed why was he in Court ?

If "Jed" is so innocent why was he given a 2 years ASBO ?

If Jeds solicitor is so good and he is so innocent how did it get to court in the first place ?

If Jeds solicitor is so good and the article so wrong why has it not been pulled by now ?

Why is it that I fully expect Jed to be up in front of a court before very long for having failed to keep to the conditions set out by the court ?

The answer to all of the above is plain to see, the court was right, this is his last chance and will he now toe the line, doubtful. there is no mileage for the police and everybody else concerned to lie or to bend and twist the facts, least of all the Oxford Mail. Guilty, and he has an ASBO, more bragging rights eh Jed, really something to be proud of. Write and tell Society when you decide to grow up and become a proper person.

Time to show everyone including yourself that you are capable of doing just that and setting a good example to those you leave behind.
If "Jed" is so innocent and doesn't do any of the things listed why was he in Court ? If "Jed" is so innocent why was he given a 2 years ASBO ? If Jeds solicitor is so good and he is so innocent how did it get to court in the first place ? If Jeds solicitor is so good and the article so wrong why has it not been pulled by now ? Why is it that I fully expect Jed to be up in front of a court before very long for having failed to keep to the conditions set out by the court ? The answer to all of the above is plain to see, the court was right, this is his last chance and will he now toe the line, doubtful. there is no mileage for the police and everybody else concerned to lie or to bend and twist the facts, least of all the Oxford Mail. Guilty, and he has an ASBO, more bragging rights eh Jed, really something to be proud of. Write and tell Society when you decide to grow up and become a proper person. Time to show everyone including yourself that you are capable of doing just that and setting a good example to those you leave behind. the wizard
  • Score: -1

5:33pm Wed 14 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

the wizard wrote:
If "Jed" is so innocent and doesn't do any of the things listed why was he in Court ?

If "Jed" is so innocent why was he given a 2 years ASBO ?

If Jeds solicitor is so good and he is so innocent how did it get to court in the first place ?

If Jeds solicitor is so good and the article so wrong why has it not been pulled by now ?

Why is it that I fully expect Jed to be up in front of a court before very long for having failed to keep to the conditions set out by the court ?

The answer to all of the above is plain to see, the court was right, this is his last chance and will he now toe the line, doubtful. there is no mileage for the police and everybody else concerned to lie or to bend and twist the facts, least of all the Oxford Mail. Guilty, and he has an ASBO, more bragging rights eh Jed, really something to be proud of. Write and tell Society when you decide to grow up and become a proper person.

Time to show everyone including yourself that you are capable of doing just that and setting a good example to those you leave behind.
I haven't been to court for any of the accusations, an asbo requires no real evidence.

I don't feel ive tryed to say in totally innocent and haven't ever done anything, for what ive done ive been arrested charged and prosecuted.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: If "Jed" is so innocent and doesn't do any of the things listed why was he in Court ? If "Jed" is so innocent why was he given a 2 years ASBO ? If Jeds solicitor is so good and he is so innocent how did it get to court in the first place ? If Jeds solicitor is so good and the article so wrong why has it not been pulled by now ? Why is it that I fully expect Jed to be up in front of a court before very long for having failed to keep to the conditions set out by the court ? The answer to all of the above is plain to see, the court was right, this is his last chance and will he now toe the line, doubtful. there is no mileage for the police and everybody else concerned to lie or to bend and twist the facts, least of all the Oxford Mail. Guilty, and he has an ASBO, more bragging rights eh Jed, really something to be proud of. Write and tell Society when you decide to grow up and become a proper person. Time to show everyone including yourself that you are capable of doing just that and setting a good example to those you leave behind.[/p][/quote]I haven't been to court for any of the accusations, an asbo requires no real evidence. I don't feel ive tryed to say in totally innocent and haven't ever done anything, for what ive done ive been arrested charged and prosecuted. jeddenton
  • Score: 1

6:00pm Wed 14 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

the wizard wrote:
If "Jed" is so innocent and doesn't do any of the things listed why was he in Court ?

If "Jed" is so innocent why was he given a 2 years ASBO ?

If Jeds solicitor is so good and he is so innocent how did it get to court in the first place ?

If Jeds solicitor is so good and the article so wrong why has it not been pulled by now ?

Why is it that I fully expect Jed to be up in front of a court before very long for having failed to keep to the conditions set out by the court ?

The answer to all of the above is plain to see, the court was right, this is his last chance and will he now toe the line, doubtful. there is no mileage for the police and everybody else concerned to lie or to bend and twist the facts, least of all the Oxford Mail. Guilty, and he has an ASBO, more bragging rights eh Jed, really something to be proud of. Write and tell Society when you decide to grow up and become a proper person.

Time to show everyone including yourself that you are capable of doing just that and setting a good example to those you leave behind.
You may see me breaking the conditions set out, i probably will.

Not to enter any of my local shops which i live across the road - now i have to stand out the front of the shops waiting for someone to go in.

Theirs risks me 'congregating at the shops if there's others around.

This along with not being allowed to swear or speak to two of my neighbors im used to speaking to everyday/

Yes you are right, i will probably fail to stick to it. I have been setup to fail with this asbo
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: If "Jed" is so innocent and doesn't do any of the things listed why was he in Court ? If "Jed" is so innocent why was he given a 2 years ASBO ? If Jeds solicitor is so good and he is so innocent how did it get to court in the first place ? If Jeds solicitor is so good and the article so wrong why has it not been pulled by now ? Why is it that I fully expect Jed to be up in front of a court before very long for having failed to keep to the conditions set out by the court ? The answer to all of the above is plain to see, the court was right, this is his last chance and will he now toe the line, doubtful. there is no mileage for the police and everybody else concerned to lie or to bend and twist the facts, least of all the Oxford Mail. Guilty, and he has an ASBO, more bragging rights eh Jed, really something to be proud of. Write and tell Society when you decide to grow up and become a proper person. Time to show everyone including yourself that you are capable of doing just that and setting a good example to those you leave behind.[/p][/quote]You may see me breaking the conditions set out, i probably will. Not to enter any of my local shops which i live across the road - now i have to stand out the front of the shops waiting for someone to go in. Theirs risks me 'congregating at the shops if there's others around. This along with not being allowed to swear or speak to two of my neighbors im used to speaking to everyday/ Yes you are right, i will probably fail to stick to it. I have been setup to fail with this asbo jeddenton
  • Score: 2

6:44pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Posh Nosh says...

This guys so full of it!

He keeps beating on about how he's known to the police, yes mate you're known to the police because your a criminal! you're a trouble maker, you're a menace to society, a problem to your neighbours. WE DONT BELIEVE YOU!, you come across as a liar!

As if the police force with their paralysing cut backs have the time and resources to play games with you.

Grow up, stop being a prat, you are not going to get any where suing nobody, because by your own admission, you have a history of causing problems for others. The judge would laugh his socks of at poor ol Jed wanting justice because his good name has been tarnished! lol
This guys so full of it! He keeps beating on about how he's known to the police, yes mate you're known to the police because your a criminal! you're a trouble maker, you're a menace to society, a problem to your neighbours. WE DONT BELIEVE YOU!, you come across as a liar! As if the police force with their paralysing cut backs have the time and resources to play games with you. Grow up, stop being a prat, you are not going to get any where suing nobody, because by your own admission, you have a history of causing problems for others. The judge would laugh his socks of at poor ol Jed wanting justice because his good name has been tarnished! lol Posh Nosh
  • Score: 1

7:23pm Wed 14 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

Posh Nosh wrote:
This guys so full of it!

He keeps beating on about how he's known to the police, yes mate you're known to the police because your a criminal! you're a trouble maker, you're a menace to society, a problem to your neighbours. WE DONT BELIEVE YOU!, you come across as a liar!

As if the police force with their paralysing cut backs have the time and resources to play games with you.

Grow up, stop being a prat, you are not going to get any where suing nobody, because by your own admission, you have a history of causing problems for others. The judge would laugh his socks of at poor ol Jed wanting justice because his good name has been tarnished! lol
You base your claims on what evidence?

Does being known to the police for a few minor crimes make it okay for them to try and frame you for loads of more serious charges like burglary, robbery ect?

The police are great lines dont cut it with me 'POSH NOSH'.

I AM NOT A MENACE TO SOCIETY OR A PROBLEM TO MY NEIGHBORS. AS IVE OFFERED BEFORE I CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS IF YOU LIKE.

I do not concede that i have ever made an admission saying i have caused problems for others least not my neighbors.

if the judge decides to laugh his socks off then thats fine, ill be sure that i take it to a proper court with judges that act properly.

I have done various good things for the community which have been over looked,

I do not necessarily critise you for your view of me. If i were in your position having only read the oxford mail about me i would probably have drawn the same conclusion as you.
[quote][p][bold]Posh Nosh[/bold] wrote: This guys so full of it! He keeps beating on about how he's known to the police, yes mate you're known to the police because your a criminal! you're a trouble maker, you're a menace to society, a problem to your neighbours. WE DONT BELIEVE YOU!, you come across as a liar! As if the police force with their paralysing cut backs have the time and resources to play games with you. Grow up, stop being a prat, you are not going to get any where suing nobody, because by your own admission, you have a history of causing problems for others. The judge would laugh his socks of at poor ol Jed wanting justice because his good name has been tarnished! lol[/p][/quote]You base your claims on what evidence? Does being known to the police for a few minor crimes make it okay for them to try and frame you for loads of more serious charges like burglary, robbery ect? The police are great lines dont cut it with me 'POSH NOSH'. I AM NOT A MENACE TO SOCIETY OR A PROBLEM TO MY NEIGHBORS. AS IVE OFFERED BEFORE I CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS IF YOU LIKE. I do not concede that i have ever made an admission saying i have caused problems for others least not my neighbors. if the judge decides to laugh his socks off then thats fine, ill be sure that i take it to a proper court with judges that act properly. I have done various good things for the community which have been over looked, I do not necessarily critise you for your view of me. If i were in your position having only read the oxford mail about me i would probably have drawn the same conclusion as you. jeddenton
  • Score: 0

12:48am Thu 15 Nov 12

oxfordox3 says...

everyone in barton knows you as a trouble maker. you are not innocent and you wouldn't have been given an asbo if you were innocent, Grow up, stop getting into trouble and get on with your life, you say you got a job well move out and start a fresh, Thats what mature people do and im sure thats the type of person you want to be.
everyone in barton knows you as a trouble maker. you are not innocent and you wouldn't have been given an asbo if you were innocent, Grow up, stop getting into trouble and get on with your life, you say you got a job well move out and start a fresh, Thats what mature people do and im sure thats the type of person you want to be. oxfordox3
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Captain Yellow says...

I brought a camera off a friend, the police arrested me for a burglary i didn't do, searched my property and found the camera which turned out to be stolen. I didn't no it was stolen until the police told me and arrested me for it. I was found guilty of handling stolen goods even through I didn't know and to be guilty of the offence you have to no its stolen.


You may not have known 100% that it was stolen, but I bet you had a suspicion that it was not 100% legit. To be convicted, the court must have found it implausible that you did not believe them to be stolen.
[quote]I brought a camera off a friend, the police arrested me for a burglary i didn't do, searched my property and found the camera which turned out to be stolen. I didn't no it was stolen until the police told me and arrested me for it. I was found guilty of handling stolen goods even through I didn't know and to be guilty of the offence you have to no its stolen.[/quote] You may not have known 100% that it was stolen, but I bet you had a suspicion that it was not 100% legit. To be convicted, the court must have found it implausible that you did not believe them to be stolen. Captain Yellow
  • Score: 0

4:14pm Thu 15 Nov 12

the wizard says...

Getting away from, he said/she said/I said, if you really want change for the better then why not move to another part of Oxford, keep your head down, be quiet when outside, stop associating with the same old faces and start anew.
Surely the best place to prove that you are better than those who say otherwise is to do it in new surroundings and build bridges and relationships with your new neighbours, make new friends and move in a better circle of people. Slowly but surely put the past behind you and prove your worth, and that is better done in society than than here.
Don't forget, you will reap what you sow. You have a choice, hear what the court has said, or slowly become one of those who is sucked into the whirlpool of court and prison. The choice is yours, I'm not saying you are innocent or guilty, you have nothing to prove to anyone other than yourself, but you need to take on board what folk are saying. Good luck, its a long and difficult path, but determination and hard work and a few difficult choices will be needed, and if you are half the person you claim to be then it is within your reach.
Getting away from, he said/she said/I said, if you really want change for the better then why not move to another part of Oxford, keep your head down, be quiet when outside, stop associating with the same old faces and start anew. Surely the best place to prove that you are better than those who say otherwise is to do it in new surroundings and build bridges and relationships with your new neighbours, make new friends and move in a better circle of people. Slowly but surely put the past behind you and prove your worth, and that is better done in society than than here. Don't forget, you will reap what you sow. You have a choice, hear what the court has said, or slowly become one of those who is sucked into the whirlpool of court and prison. The choice is yours, I'm not saying you are innocent or guilty, you have nothing to prove to anyone other than yourself, but you need to take on board what folk are saying. Good luck, its a long and difficult path, but determination and hard work and a few difficult choices will be needed, and if you are half the person you claim to be then it is within your reach. the wizard
  • Score: -2

4:32pm Thu 15 Nov 12

AnonymousCat says...

the wizard wrote:
Getting away from, he said/she said/I said, if you really want change for the better then why not move to another part of Oxford, keep your head down, be quiet when outside, stop associating with the same old faces and start anew. Surely the best place to prove that you are better than those who say otherwise is to do it in new surroundings and build bridges and relationships with your new neighbours, make new friends and move in a better circle of people. Slowly but surely put the past behind you and prove your worth, and that is better done in society than than here. Don't forget, you will reap what you sow. You have a choice, hear what the court has said, or slowly become one of those who is sucked into the whirlpool of court and prison. The choice is yours, I'm not saying you are innocent or guilty, you have nothing to prove to anyone other than yourself, but you need to take on board what folk are saying. Good luck, its a long and difficult path, but determination and hard work and a few difficult choices will be needed, and if you are half the person you claim to be then it is within your reach.
Also, why do people keep telling him to move area/house like it is something you can do easily?

I'm the same age as Jed and without sounding stupidly big-headed, I've done pretty well for myself considering my age and lack of qualifications. I am in a well paying, stable job, however I found it extremely hard to find my own house and when I eventually did, the level of organisation and covering all the necerssary expenses.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Getting away from, he said/she said/I said, if you really want change for the better then why not move to another part of Oxford, keep your head down, be quiet when outside, stop associating with the same old faces and start anew. Surely the best place to prove that you are better than those who say otherwise is to do it in new surroundings and build bridges and relationships with your new neighbours, make new friends and move in a better circle of people. Slowly but surely put the past behind you and prove your worth, and that is better done in society than than here. Don't forget, you will reap what you sow. You have a choice, hear what the court has said, or slowly become one of those who is sucked into the whirlpool of court and prison. The choice is yours, I'm not saying you are innocent or guilty, you have nothing to prove to anyone other than yourself, but you need to take on board what folk are saying. Good luck, its a long and difficult path, but determination and hard work and a few difficult choices will be needed, and if you are half the person you claim to be then it is within your reach.[/p][/quote]Also, why do people keep telling him to move area/house like it is something you can do easily? I'm the same age as Jed and without sounding stupidly big-headed, I've done pretty well for myself considering my age and lack of qualifications. I am in a well paying, stable job, however I found it extremely hard to find my own house and when I eventually did, the level of organisation and covering all the necerssary expenses. AnonymousCat
  • Score: 1

4:45pm Thu 15 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

oxfordox3 wrote:
everyone in barton knows you as a trouble maker. you are not innocent and you wouldn't have been given an asbo if you were innocent, Grow up, stop getting into trouble and get on with your life, you say you got a job well move out and start a fresh, Thats what mature people do and im sure thats the type of person you want to be.
Don't make unsubstantiated claims about me, people that don't know me probably think as me as a trouble maker.

This is because you don't no me or no the facts of the matter. You see me arguing with the police and assume I'm in the wrong, not that im simply angry for being arrested again when im innocent.

This shows how little you really know about because I am innocent most of the times ive been arrested.

Why should I move from my family home to please you?

You cannot use the asbo as a way of justifying your views really. This is just my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]oxfordox3[/bold] wrote: everyone in barton knows you as a trouble maker. you are not innocent and you wouldn't have been given an asbo if you were innocent, Grow up, stop getting into trouble and get on with your life, you say you got a job well move out and start a fresh, Thats what mature people do and im sure thats the type of person you want to be.[/p][/quote]Don't make unsubstantiated claims about me, people that don't know me probably think as me as a trouble maker. This is because you don't no me or no the facts of the matter. You see me arguing with the police and assume I'm in the wrong, not that im simply angry for being arrested again when im innocent. This shows how little you really know about because I am innocent most of the times ive been arrested. Why should I move from my family home to please you? You cannot use the asbo as a way of justifying your views really. This is just my opinion. jeddenton
  • Score: 3

5:02pm Thu 15 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

AnonymousCat wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Getting away from, he said/she said/I said, if you really want change for the better then why not move to another part of Oxford, keep your head down, be quiet when outside, stop associating with the same old faces and start anew. Surely the best place to prove that you are better than those who say otherwise is to do it in new surroundings and build bridges and relationships with your new neighbours, make new friends and move in a better circle of people. Slowly but surely put the past behind you and prove your worth, and that is better done in society than than here. Don't forget, you will reap what you sow. You have a choice, hear what the court has said, or slowly become one of those who is sucked into the whirlpool of court and prison. The choice is yours, I'm not saying you are innocent or guilty, you have nothing to prove to anyone other than yourself, but you need to take on board what folk are saying. Good luck, its a long and difficult path, but determination and hard work and a few difficult choices will be needed, and if you are half the person you claim to be then it is within your reach.
Also, why do people keep telling him to move area/house like it is something you can do easily?

I'm the same age as Jed and without sounding stupidly big-headed, I've done pretty well for myself considering my age and lack of qualifications. I am in a well paying, stable job, however I found it extremely hard to find my own house and when I eventually did, the level of organisation and covering all the necerssary expenses.
This again isn't easy, although I so work as a web developer I am self employed so sometimes there simply isn't any work. This would mean for some months of the year I would be unable to cover the costs of living alone.

Moving out the area simply isn't an option at the moment, If it was that easy I would of moved away from Barton along time ago!
[quote][p][bold]AnonymousCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Getting away from, he said/she said/I said, if you really want change for the better then why not move to another part of Oxford, keep your head down, be quiet when outside, stop associating with the same old faces and start anew. Surely the best place to prove that you are better than those who say otherwise is to do it in new surroundings and build bridges and relationships with your new neighbours, make new friends and move in a better circle of people. Slowly but surely put the past behind you and prove your worth, and that is better done in society than than here. Don't forget, you will reap what you sow. You have a choice, hear what the court has said, or slowly become one of those who is sucked into the whirlpool of court and prison. The choice is yours, I'm not saying you are innocent or guilty, you have nothing to prove to anyone other than yourself, but you need to take on board what folk are saying. Good luck, its a long and difficult path, but determination and hard work and a few difficult choices will be needed, and if you are half the person you claim to be then it is within your reach.[/p][/quote]Also, why do people keep telling him to move area/house like it is something you can do easily? I'm the same age as Jed and without sounding stupidly big-headed, I've done pretty well for myself considering my age and lack of qualifications. I am in a well paying, stable job, however I found it extremely hard to find my own house and when I eventually did, the level of organisation and covering all the necerssary expenses.[/p][/quote]This again isn't easy, although I so work as a web developer I am self employed so sometimes there simply isn't any work. This would mean for some months of the year I would be unable to cover the costs of living alone. Moving out the area simply isn't an option at the moment, If it was that easy I would of moved away from Barton along time ago! jeddenton
  • Score: 1

5:17pm Thu 15 Nov 12

saddletramp says...

Dont know the bloke involved,but i do know Barton.
Started reading the article,got as far as,
Police said the lout’s behaviour had given the estate a bad reputation.
Given the estate a bad reputation!!!!!!!
So before this lad came along Barton was the place where everyone in Oxford wanted to live?
Yeh right,
Dont know the bloke involved,but i do know Barton. Started reading the article,got as far as, Police said the lout’s behaviour had given the estate a bad reputation. Given the estate a bad reputation!!!!!!! So before this lad came along Barton was the place where everyone in Oxford wanted to live? Yeh right, saddletramp
  • Score: 3

6:27pm Thu 15 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

saddletramp wrote:
Dont know the bloke involved,but i do know Barton.
Started reading the article,got as far as,
Police said the lout’s behaviour had given the estate a bad reputation.
Given the estate a bad reputation!!!!!!!
So before this lad came along Barton was the place where everyone in Oxford wanted to live?
Yeh right,
One of my points exactly i have lived in Barton in the same house for all my life and to be honest cannot remember a time when Barton didn't have a bad reputation.

Nor can I ever remember a time when groups of people didn't gather at the shop. Also there's always been anti social behavior on Barton, for donkeys years.

No everyone else is wrong and the police, courts and oxford mail are doing a great job. YEAH RIGHT.

Just blame me for all of Barton's problems (I mean i have a criminal record so it must be true!)
[quote][p][bold]saddletramp[/bold] wrote: Dont know the bloke involved,but i do know Barton. Started reading the article,got as far as, Police said the lout’s behaviour had given the estate a bad reputation. Given the estate a bad reputation!!!!!!! So before this lad came along Barton was the place where everyone in Oxford wanted to live? Yeh right,[/p][/quote]One of my points exactly i have lived in Barton in the same house for all my life and to be honest cannot remember a time when Barton didn't have a bad reputation. Nor can I ever remember a time when groups of people didn't gather at the shop. Also there's always been anti social behavior on Barton, for donkeys years. No everyone else is wrong and the police, courts and oxford mail are doing a great job. YEAH RIGHT. Just blame me for all of Barton's problems (I mean i have a criminal record so it must be true!) jeddenton
  • Score: 3

6:42pm Thu 15 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

jeddenton wrote:
saddletramp wrote:
Dont know the bloke involved,but i do know Barton.
Started reading the article,got as far as,
Police said the lout’s behaviour had given the estate a bad reputation.
Given the estate a bad reputation!!!!!!!
So before this lad came along Barton was the place where everyone in Oxford wanted to live?
Yeh right,
One of my points exactly i have lived in Barton in the same house for all my life and to be honest cannot remember a time when Barton didn't have a bad reputation.

Nor can I ever remember a time when groups of people didn't gather at the shop. Also there's always been anti social behavior on Barton, for donkeys years.

No everyone else is wrong and the police, courts and oxford mail are doing a great job. YEAH RIGHT.

Just blame me for all of Barton's problems (I mean i have a criminal record so it must be true!)
The last paragraph is not attacking you saddle tramp just other peoples generalizations about me.
[quote][p][bold]jeddenton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saddletramp[/bold] wrote: Dont know the bloke involved,but i do know Barton. Started reading the article,got as far as, Police said the lout’s behaviour had given the estate a bad reputation. Given the estate a bad reputation!!!!!!! So before this lad came along Barton was the place where everyone in Oxford wanted to live? Yeh right,[/p][/quote]One of my points exactly i have lived in Barton in the same house for all my life and to be honest cannot remember a time when Barton didn't have a bad reputation. Nor can I ever remember a time when groups of people didn't gather at the shop. Also there's always been anti social behavior on Barton, for donkeys years. No everyone else is wrong and the police, courts and oxford mail are doing a great job. YEAH RIGHT. Just blame me for all of Barton's problems (I mean i have a criminal record so it must be true!)[/p][/quote]The last paragraph is not attacking you saddle tramp just other peoples generalizations about me. jeddenton
  • Score: 2

11:13pm Thu 15 Nov 12

jeddenton says...

Oxfordox3 if you have lived in barton for years then how long has there been problems at barton shops?

And like ive asked before, are you scared of me or the groups in general

I wish you would stop telling me to move, why should I move. I live AT the shops. I have always had to put up with the trouble at barton shops but I never complained about it.

I have lived at the shops my entire life!
Oxfordox3 if you have lived in barton for years then how long has there been problems at barton shops? And like ive asked before, are you scared of me or the groups in general I wish you would stop telling me to move, why should I move. I live AT the shops. I have always had to put up with the trouble at barton shops but I never complained about it. I have lived at the shops my entire life! jeddenton
  • Score: 6

1:51am Mon 26 Nov 12

dejavu1987 says...

I have lived on Barton my whole life I've seen some bad things and good things and i have known Jed since he was a tiny little guy annoying his brother i go to the shops almost everyday and never once have had trouble or seen it yes i see jed and his mates hanging around but am never scared (we ain't friends) Barton is a **** hole full stop with nothing to do for anyone except the really older generations i use to walk the streets doing things i shouldn't off but when you bored you make your own fun but we all have to grow up sooner or later jed ditch you so called friends and your find without that bad influence around people will respect you more your a good man just portraited badly

And yes police hate on certain people i can't bike home from work wearing my hoodies without the police stopping me for **** reasons like i fit the description of a drug dealer or is my bike stolen and they get really abusive till i pull out my phone and start recording
I have lived on Barton my whole life I've seen some bad things and good things and i have known Jed since he was a tiny little guy annoying his brother i go to the shops almost everyday and never once have had trouble or seen it yes i see jed and his mates hanging around but am never scared (we ain't friends) Barton is a **** hole full stop with nothing to do for anyone except the really older generations i use to walk the streets doing things i shouldn't off but when you bored you make your own fun but we all have to grow up sooner or later jed ditch you so called friends and your find without that bad influence around people will respect you more your a good man just portraited badly And yes police hate on certain people i can't bike home from work wearing my hoodies without the police stopping me for **** reasons like i fit the description of a drug dealer or is my bike stolen and they get really abusive till i pull out my phone and start recording dejavu1987
  • Score: 0

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