Tenancy fraud officer appointed (From Oxford Mail)

About time too. There are too many people renting out their council houses that they pay £280-540 PCM rent, and then charging tennants £1,000-1600 PCM, whilst using that to supplement the Mortgage on their real home. I hope they have the power to take the private home off of them to pay back the money they have stolen from the rest of us. Perhaps if the council can put on their website houses that are supposed to be family homes, we can look and see if they are being sub-letted.

pater-that's what posh kids call their dad isn't it?-if the market rent is 1 to1.6k then that's what the council should be charging by way of rent. What right do you say have council clerks to let our property at any old price they choose to a privileged minority?

pater mcvey wrote:
About time too. There are too many people renting out their council houses that they pay £280-540 PCM rent, and then charging tennants £1,000-1600 PCM, whilst using that to supplement the Mortgage on their real home. I hope they have the power to take the private home off of them to pay back the money they have stolen from the rest of us. Perhaps if the council can put on their website houses that are supposed to be family homes, we can look and see if they are being sub-letted.

You seem to know alot, why do you not report these particular properties then?
Why are you asking to be told where council houses are located? or are you simply guessing your findings on sub-lets !!

Tom Daily wrote:

pater mcvey wrote: About time too. There are too many people renting out their council houses that they pay £280-540 PCM rent, and then charging tennants £1,000-1600 PCM, whilst using that to supplement the Mortgage on their real home. I hope they have the power to take the private home off of them to pay back the money they have stolen from the rest of us. Perhaps if the council can put on their website houses that are supposed to be family homes, we can look and see if they are being sub-letted.

You seem to know alot, why do you not report these particular properties then? Why are you asking to be told where council houses are located? or are you simply guessing your findings on sub-lets !!

Not at all mate. But since the Milk Snatcher sold off large amounts of council houses, I do not know whether my neighbours are renting a private or council house. If they are renting a council house (privately) then we are subsidising the the ex-tenants (still renting out a house he no longer lives in) mortgage payments for his new house. This needs to be stopped as it is far worse than bog standard benefit fraud. Not only are they getting our money, they are stopping needy families from getting an affordable house to live in.

Pater, when the rewards are so great as clearly there is in these cases, fraudsters will become ever more careful with how they conduct their bussiness. One more officer for the whole of the city will hardly make much difference.
They will simply live in these council houses themselves and let the other places they may have access to, have prooperties moved in different names. Its a big problem but it's not going to be changed until the whole system is revamped. I am with Lady here, there should be no subsidies full stop!

"But since the Milk Snatcher sold off large amounts of council houses,"
Old lefties, like elephants aren't they, never forget? Also she was apparently responsible for the failure of State education since 1997 and the Pope has the blood of millions of Africans on his hands. Petra my old chum. Those houses didn't disappear you know, people actually live in them. D'oh. And if you think public housing is a good idea, why are you EX-Barton.

Mr Mcvey

was it not you that replied to my comment on this very subject matter, by saying what does it matter if a few rent out their houseboats whilst residing in the winter months in their council flats?

Lord Palmerston wrote:
"But since the Milk Snatcher sold off large amounts of council houses," Old lefties, like elephants aren't they, never forget? Also she was apparently responsible for the failure of State education since 1997 and the Pope has the blood of millions of Africans on his hands. Petra my old chum. Those houses didn't disappear you know, people actually live in them. D'oh. And if you think public housing is a good idea, why are you EX-Barton.

It is just as well that there are still a few "old lefties" like me about. If things were left up to the likes of you, we would still have kids going to work at the age of 6 and their dads working 12 hours a day 7 days a week for Tuppence ha'penny. I bet you are dreaming of the day that Davey Boy gets in so that we can start going back to those good old days.

Lord Palmerston wrote:
pater-that's what posh kids call their dad isn't it?-if the market rent is 1 to1.6k then that's what the council should be charging by way of rent. What right do you say have council clerks to let our property at any old price they choose to a privileged minority?

Because if the council rented at the market rate, most tennents could not afford the rent and would be entitled to not only housing benefit, but it would take them into the bracket of Council Tax benefit as well. And I am sure you would be the first to moan, when you find out that you are paying more tax to make up the shortfall. Private rents are artificially high (due to the shortage of council houses) because landlords know any shortfall is made up by you the tax payer, and the real cost to rent a house is probably closer to council rents. From personal experience I can say that a family of 5 renting privately (4 Bed House) at £1,200 PCM with a gross annual income of £21K will get around £500 PCM from the council in housing benefit alone. But if they were renting off the council at £5-600 PCM then they would get nothing, and pay all the rent out of their own pockets to the council. Now even with your Tory, anti working class ethos, you can work out that the latter is far better financially (for you the tax payer) than the former. But if you can show me that I am wrong, then I stand to be corrected, and will bow to the superior knowledge of my Tory master.

Pater, I agree with you entirely. Wherever one finds the economics of the loony bin you can be sure the root cause is welfarism.
I am not anti working class because I am working class-I couldn't live if I didn't work-but if you mean by "working class " the euphemistic description of people who decline to work or work intermittently, then I am as "anti" such folk as are you. Like you, I accept they don't exist as a great wickedness but because in reforming the abuses of sending children up chimneys, well-meaning politicians let the pendulum swing much too far. See, even the BBC couldn't disagree with my sentiments.

Perat, you will see that the OM has reproduced this press release lately. I have revisited the subject on the more recent one. Hope you will agree about another public sector non job. You wouldn't need so many council houses if there weren't so many people in the council with non-jobs, would you?

Readers would do well to read their council tax bill and associated information in detail. Housing accounts for most expenditure yets brings in very litle in income.
Council house rents should certainly be higher than they are, and tax payers are subsidising them through low rents or housing benefit. Perhaps if the rents were not so low, it would not allow 'fraudsters' to have other homes, thereby allowing them to to rent out the council homes.
Perhaps it is about time shorter tenancies were issued, and people's circumstances reviewed on a yeraly basis rather thn just giving out a very cheap home for life. Its not really surprising that people take advantage of it.

Any One wrote:
Readers would do well to read their council tax bill and associated information in detail. Housing accounts for most expenditure yets brings in very litle in income. Council house rents should certainly be higher than they are, and tax payers are subsidising them through low rents or housing benefit. Perhaps if the rents were not so low, it would not allow 'fraudsters' to have other homes, thereby allowing them to to rent out the council homes. Perhaps it is about time shorter tenancies were issued, and people's circumstances reviewed on a yeraly basis rather thn just giving out a very cheap home for life. Its not really surprising that people take advantage of it.

Council rents aren't cheap. It is that private rents are artificially high.