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Thornhill park-and-ride set to get another 540 spaces


OXFORD’S busiest park-and-ride site is set to be expanded by more than 500 spaces because it is “swamped” with motorists.

Oxfordshire County Council officers have recommended another 540 spaces are added to the 850-vehicle Thornhill site following investigations into how many motorists use the car park.

If councillors back the idea, a planning application for scheme, which would cost between £3m and £4m, could be submitted in the spring.

Councillors will also be asked to consider introducing an as-yet unspecified charge for drivers who use the car park to travel to London and to airports, to protect the “core use of the site” – allowing motorists to use it for access to Oxford.

The idea will be put to the council’s transport decisions committee on Thursday, January 7. County council spokesman Paul Smith said: “Anyone who regularly uses Thornhill will tell you there is clearly a need for more parking spaces.

“Thornhill is unique among Oxford’s park-and-ride sites in terms of the high demand for travel into London, and while this has become an important feature of the site, our priority remains to protect core use for travel into Oxford at all park-and-ride sites.

“As such we feel that introducing a small fee for motorists travelling to other destinations represents the most viable option.

“It is not clear at this stage exactly how that charging system would work or what the costs would be.

“But it makes sense for our officers to start looking into this in addition to preparing a planning application.”

Charges at all five of the city’s park-and-rides were scrapped in 2008 when County Hall took over the running of the sites.

A report to councillors said while there is increasing demand at all five park-and-ride sites, Thornhill experiences by far the greatest pressure, with the car park filling up to capacity almost every weekday by about 9.30am.

Officers said there was currently a high unmet demand, which would rise to a need for more than 500 parking spaces by 2026.

Oxford Civic Society has been pressing for an expansion of Thornhill for years and its chairman, Tony Joyce, welcomed the news.

He said: “We are absolutely delighted that the county council is able now to move ahead in increasing Thornhill’s capacity.

“The demand for this has been obvious for some time.

“The park-and-ride system was originally planned to meet the needs of those wanting to visit Oxford.

“It is important that this function can been maintained.

“Clearly, in recent years, Thornhill has been swamped by those wishing to use it to travel to London and the airports.

“It has seriously lost its proper first function.

“It is of such use to travellers that a reasonable charge for those wishing to use it for other purposes seems entirely reasonable.”

Mr Joyce said having a permanently full park-and-ride meant it was not able to adequately serve patients wanting to reach Oxford’s main hospitals in Headington or people who worked in the area.

Comments(13)

Wheatley person says...
8:36am Thu 31 Dec 09

Why charge commuters? If we are travelling to London or going on holiday we aren't clogging up the streets of Oxford. That does not seem a fair proposal.

Simon33 says...
8:55am Thu 31 Dec 09

Questions:

1. Expansion into the next field, or some sort of decking to a first floor?

2. Why the charge, and cost of administering it?

3. Who pays the £3-4 million?

PS. Why not reduce the 72 hour parking limit?- clearly not designed for those working/visiting Oxford, but for those going to the airports for a day or two.

Danny A says...
10:36am Thu 31 Dec 09

Not sure how the council would intend to enforce differential parking charges on the same site. You would imagine they'd have to track everyone from their cars to the different buses.

Golum says...
10:52am Thu 31 Dec 09

How old is Tony Joyce?

Golum says...
11:55am Thu 31 Dec 09

Wheatley person wrote:
Why charge commuters? If we are travelling to London or going on holiday we aren't clogging up the streets of Oxford. That does not seem a fair proposal.
What a stupid question! Who else are they going to charge except the user?

Andrew:Oxford says...
12:20pm Thu 31 Dec 09

Are they going to introduce charges at Redbridge too? It's really useful as a Reading Park&Ride. The X39/X40 stops just outside and a monthly season ticket costs less than a week on the train.

ReasonableGuy says...
1:53pm Thu 31 Dec 09

If the purpose of the Park and Ride was to meet the needs of those who wanted to visit Oxford then why was it allowed for the buses going to London and the airports to make stops there? Or, to say it differently, why was it allowed to have bus stops for the buses going to London and the airports if it was not for the use of commuters and travellers? There was even a brand new big bus terminal built there!
I think that they should make their minds: If Thornhill is for the use of visitors to Oxford only then the bus stops for the buses going to London and the airports should go. If the bus stops stay then the Park and Ride should be accessible equally to everybody. I would expect that the bus companies who use the Park and Ride as a bus stop for their buses to London pay a small fee for this, after all they get quite a few passengers from there. Why should the people parking there pay even more? Unless, of course, if the bus companies do not pay a fee, in which case we are talking about some real bad planning from the part of the Park and Ride operators...

adyt says...
2:06pm Thu 31 Dec 09

I understood the city and county council did not want an increase in the number of cars entering the city.creating more spaces however badly needed will just increase the nimber of vehicles travelling to them.
Its time Oxford moved forward and had a good tram service from the major points on the city borders going into the city center or train station.less polution and what should be a reliable service.Who remembers the silent trolley buses in oxford in the late 1950'searly 1960s

Wheatley person says...
6:57pm Thu 31 Dec 09

By commuters I meant travellers to London but take your point. There dont seem to be plans to charge 'commuters' to Oxford was the point I was making.

Andrew:Oxford says...
10:56am Fri 1 Jan 10

If the people going to London weren't parking at Thornhill, where would they be parking instead? On-street parking in Barton or Headington (if a suitable space can be found)? Perhaps park at Gloucester Green to pick up the coach instead?

Care will need to be taken to balance the cost. At the moment there isn't much difference in the cost between an off peak return on the train (with railcard discount) and the return coach fare - Travelling via Haddenham would be cheaper than the coach. It wouldn't be a good thing if people travelled further in their cars just to get a more economical public transport solution to their destination.

nicnewman says...
12:24pm Fri 1 Jan 10

On first sight these proposals look like a good idea, anything to encourage
people to use public transit more. However, it does have its drawbacks, these
include:
1. More traffic congestion on the existing access roads, including increased
delays for buses to Barton, Headington and its hospitals, Risinghurst, Forest
Hill, Thame, Wheatley, Oxford Brookes University buses, Oxford City Centre and
the Park and Ride express bus services.
2. Less usage of existing public transit services to Thornhill Park and Ride.
3. Increased operating and capital costs.
4. No doubt generate opposition from such groups as the CPRE.
5. Draws potential traffic away from the new Chiltern Trains service to London
that is due to start operating from the new Kidlington rail station at Water
Eaton Park and Ride from 2012.
6. Nor does this proposal seem to take into account the potential impact the
construction of High Speed Two will have on traffic demand pattern in the
county.

Would it not be a better as an alternative and more environmentally friendly
solution to improve public transport services to Thornhill Park and Ride for
potential users living in nearby towns and villages, so that they do not need
to use their cars to gain access to express London bound coach services?
Improved bus services to Thornhill would:
1. Reduce the need to expand site.
2. Reduce traffic congestion on access roads and improve bus service
reliability.
3. Cut potential increases in air and noise pollution.
4. Reduce demand for parking at Thornhill for London bound commuters. Thus
create new parking capacity for Oxford bound commuters and shoppers.


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lil_miss_ME says...
4:56pm Fri 1 Jan 10

if they want to stop london commuters parking at thornhill, then there will be no need for the extra 500 spaces, also where do they propose we park instead, in the tiny underground carpark in gloucester green, where it cost sround £24 a day to park!! and this would just clogg up the city centre car parks.
there is no reason why thornhill shouldnt be used for london travel, i thought the whole point of having an oxford-london bus was to cut down the number of cars into the capital, but now the stupid council dont want people to be able to park anywhere

The Ferryman says...
4:15am Sun 3 Jan 10

lil_miss. I think you are missing the point. (lil_miss-missing Geddit) The P&Rs are for commuters going into Oxford to cut down cars in OUR city centre, not Londons. But the council must have known that building a bus station there would cause this problem, but then again knowing our councillors you never know.


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