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Toilet closures investigated


There could be fewer places to spend a penny under a scheme to close some of Oxford’s 19 public toilets to save money.

Cash-strapped Oxford City Council has a report which highlights a saving of £50,000 a year for three years if it closed 11 suburban toilets.

Although councillors have now ruled out closures next year, in subsequent years any of the toilets could face the chop – including those in the city centre.

The council is also considering introducing charges at toilets and asking pubs and restaurants to open up their loos to the public.

Self-cleaning super loos, like ones found on the continent, could also be introduced.

But councillor John Tanner, executive member for a cleaner, greener city, said he was not happy with the state of most of the toilets and promised there would be an overall improvement whatever happened.

Users, however, have branded any closures as a backward step.

The details are contained within draft budget papers drawn up by senior council staff and members of the ruling Labour administration with the aim to save £3.6m over three years.

Residents in Headington said closure of public conveniences in Bury Knowle park would be “madness”.

Jackline Kemmett, 57, from Chestnut Avenue, who needs a mobility scooter and uses the public toilets almost every day, said: “We’d be upset and angry if we lost them.

“I’d be against having to pay for them as well.

“That’s what we pay our council tax for.

“Every so often the toilets are in a horrible state, but I don’t think charging people would make it that much better.”

Her husband Trevor, 61, added: “It would be madness to shut them. People don’t always want to ask to use a toilet in a restaurant.

“If I had to go against a tree I’d be breaking the law wouldn’t I?

“It would be a massive inconvenience for people.”

Khalid Mahmood, manager of the restaurant Bar Meze, in London Road, Headington, said: “It would be very bad if they closed.

“I already have too much pressure on me from the public asking to use our toilet.

“I wouldn’t allow the council to use my facilities as public toilets.

“I would lose business if I did that. A payment wouldn’t be worth it.”

In a report to councillors, Shaun Hatton, of the council’s city works department, warned hygiene in public spaces could be “compromised” by closures — increasing street cleaning costs.

Tony Joyce, chairman of Oxford Civic Society said: “It would be very disappointing if toilets were to close and I think it would be a retrograde step. It’s one of the things you expect the council to provide.

“Oxford’s toilets are not all very nice. If charging is the only way to adequately finance decent facilities I think that has to be accepted.”

Mr Tanner said no decision would be made until a review and a public consultation of toilet provision was done in January.

He said: “I’m not satisfied with the standard of most of the toilets in Oxford.

“The easiest option would just be closing the suburban toilets, but we’ve rejected that.

“It could make more sense to close toilets in the city centre where there are plenty, rather than close any suburban toilets which are very well used.”

“I can give you a cast iron guarantee there will not be any closures next year, but the year after anything could happen, including some closures.

“Whatever happens will be an improvement.”

He added: “Charging to spend a penny is certainly something we’re considering, but isn’t a straightforward option.

“If this means people are discouraged from using the toilet and urinate against a wall instead, we have not really gained anything.”

Liberal Democrat group opposition leader David Rundle said: “The provision of public toilets is a reflection of how civilised a city is. That means we would looking at investments, improvements and modernisation rather than cuts.”


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Zimmer, Oxon says...
8:05am Mon 8 Dec 08

For a City that relies on Tourism this is the barmiest thing yet!!!!!

LadyPenelope, Oxford says...
8:46am Mon 8 Dec 08

Why not stop paying sick days for council workers? That would save £750,000 a year!!

Quentin Walker, Oxford says...
9:20am Mon 8 Dec 08

Open up the lavatories in the town hall for public use.
If nothing else, it will concentrate the minds of the twopenny-halfpenny elite

burro, Abingdon says...
9:29am Mon 8 Dec 08

How stupid! Obviously the people who are mulling this idea over have got week bladders or on medication, we need MORE loos not less some of us need to go quite often, it's bad enough finding somewhere now and as for pee alley next to wesgate the City should be ashamed, it's a disgrace

bagsie, Headington says...
9:35am Mon 8 Dec 08

I suggest that public toilets should remain free of charge and that funding should be set aside for their improvement. The Council needs to flush out money from other areas of proposed expenditure to cover this cost. Perhaps the Council could publish details of expenditure proposals so that the public could comment with a view to establishing funding priorities based on council tax payers preferences.

Simon33, Oxford says...
11:25am Mon 8 Dec 08

Barmy.

From the same people who spent £2,000,000 on Bonn Square to turn into Bonn Square.

Spend some on hard-pressed pubs to make their loos available to the public.



GreenOxford, Oxford says...
11:38am Mon 8 Dec 08

For a town that relies on tourism for a lot of its economy, Oxford is extremely poorly served by public toilets - there are none in the City Centre that are acceptable in terms of cleanliness all of the time, and there are some areas of Oxford that stink of urine day and night because of filthy facilities and because of people using the alternative - a wall, a subway or an alley.

There are, of course, stores like Debenhams, M&S and fast food outlets like McDonalds that provide facilities that one can use, but that's not always practical or desirable. To close toilets in the city centre or in the suburbs is madness - there should be more, not fewer, facilities.

beetle & wedge, Chippy says...
1:00pm Mon 8 Dec 08

Does not the lady who is Chief Clerk of Oxford City Council get £170,000 a year for carrying out Government instructions? Good place to start the cost cutting.

BigAlan, Eynsham says...
1:50pm Mon 8 Dec 08

They could reorganise the bin rounds correctly and lose one of the lorries they are having to rent at £400 a day.

Oxfordian, Oxon says...
6:03pm Mon 8 Dec 08

They could do with sorting out the guy who 'works' at the public toilets bt the Westgate Centre. I went to use them last Thursday evening (bear in mind that most shops were open until 8 that night)with my daughter at 10 to 5 so I asked the man what time they closed, he replied 5 o'clock!!...typical mentality of a council worker ....'I FINISH at 5' he replied!! What a joke....could only happen in Oxford.Then had to use loos in BHS instead, sort it out OCC!

JanetJ, oxford says...
8:37pm Mon 8 Dec 08

Quentin Walker wrote:
Open up the lavatories in the town hall for public use.
If nothing else, it will concentrate the minds of the twopenny-halfpenny elite
Quentin - the loos in the Town Hall ARE open to the public - you need to get out more!

Aslam, Headington says...
1:32pm Tue 9 Dec 08

£400 per day rental for refuse truck = £146k per year.One persons salary £65K given as a saving a year ago when their department was closed yet they are still being paid for doing nothing except a made up job. These are only two of the things that need investigating and stopping before closures or redundancies are considered. There are many more things like this happening every day in the city council.

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