Complaints of ‘fatigue’ over new shift (From Oxford Mail)

I note Ian Tomlinson is staying silent on the matter.

Tell them to try working 5 and a half days a week every week in a factory with one and a half days off, and then see who is fatigued. Six on and four off, that is a luxury than most of us will never see.

Come on Ian! Tell us what have you got to say about the police being tired?

xjohnx wrote:
I note Ian Tomlinson is staying silent on the matter.

If that's your attempt at humour then you're a sick individual

Balders36 wrote:

xjohnx wrote:
I note Ian Tomlinson is staying silent on the matter.

If that's your attempt at humour then you're a sick individual

Not sick. Just disgusted with police killings, police lies about football disasters, phone hacking, improper us offo information etc. We hear about it every day.

I assume your a police officer?

xjohnx wrote:

Balders36 wrote:

xjohnx wrote:
I note Ian Tomlinson is staying silent on the matter.

If that's your attempt at humour then you're a sick individual

Not sick. Just disgusted with police killings, police lies about football disasters, phone hacking, improper us offo information etc. We hear about it every day.

I assume your a police officer?

It does seem that the more the police are investigated, the more that they seem to be like the corrupt 3rd world forces that they have always held up as the opposite to themselves. And Hillsborough is just beyond comment.

ger elttil OX2 0EJ wrote:

xjohnx wrote:

Balders36 wrote:

xjohnx wrote:
I note Ian Tomlinson is staying silent on the matter.

If that's your attempt at humour then you're a sick individual

Not sick. Just disgusted with police killings, police lies about football disasters, phone hacking, improper us offo information etc. We hear about it every day.

I assume your a police officer?

It does seem that the more the police are investigated, the more that they seem to be like the corrupt 3rd world forces that they have always held up as the opposite to themselves. And Hillsborough is just beyond comment.

'The Police' ... As ridiculous a concept as 'The general public'.

Good and bad will be found in all walks of life. I suggest the reason more incidents of wrong doing have come to light in recent times is more to do with the openness of modern society rather than an institutionally corrupt para-military group. If you spend just a little time researching the topic on which you comment, you will see that serious incidents have fallen consistently over the years.

Complaints may rise but as with any other public service body (see the recent news on complaints against doctors), this is most likely due to better recording of complaints and a simplified complaints process. However, the cynic will always find an alternative view.

Getting back on topic, if you would research the role of a police officer, you will note the job is demanding enough, mentally, emotionally and physically. Comparing the role with that of any other profession, like for like, is not possibly due to the unique nature of the job. If any one wished to better understand, you could arrange to pop along to your local station and ask for a ride along and see for yourself.

As for the 6 on 4 off, this was the 'national model' (many other forces use this system) only worked by Berkshire officers within TVP. The current shifts see officers working up to 7 shifts in a row, finishing at 0700 on the last day and sleeping into the first rest leaving only 3 clear days before commencing a block of earlies.

Front line Police Officers work in excess of 200 hrs over a 5 week period, not including overtime which is (often) unwanted.

This works out to be, over the course of an average year, ten days more work output than the average UK worker (according to the stats of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)).

As I have said to other detractors in the past, none of whom have accepted the challenge: if you're so concerned about the standards of policing, make a difference yourselves and help out - join the Force, or become a Special Constable.

Jehova wrote:

ger elttil OX2 0EJ wrote:

xjohnx wrote:

Balders36 wrote:

xjohnx wrote:
I note Ian Tomlinson is staying silent on the matter.

If that's your attempt at humour then you're a sick individual

Not sick. Just disgusted with police killings, police lies about football disasters, phone hacking, improper us offo information etc. We hear about it every day.

I assume your a police officer?

It does seem that the more the police are investigated, the more that they seem to be like the corrupt 3rd world forces that they have always held up as the opposite to themselves. And Hillsborough is just beyond comment.

'The Police' ... As ridiculous a concept as 'The general public'.

Good and bad will be found in all walks of life. I suggest the reason more incidents of wrong doing have come to light in recent times is more to do with the openness of modern society rather than an institutionally corrupt para-military group. If you spend just a little time researching the topic on which you comment, you will see that serious incidents have fallen consistently over the years.

Complaints may rise but as with any other public service body (see the recent news on complaints against doctors), this is most likely due to better recording of complaints and a simplified complaints process. However, the cynic will always find an alternative view.

Getting back on topic, if you would research the role of a police officer, you will note the job is demanding enough, mentally, emotionally and physically. Comparing the role with that of any other profession, like for like, is not possibly due to the unique nature of the job. If any one wished to better understand, you could arrange to pop along to your local station and ask for a ride along and see for yourself.

As for the 6 on 4 off, this was the 'national model' (many other forces use this system) only worked by Berkshire officers within TVP. The current shifts see officers working up to 7 shifts in a row, finishing at 0700 on the last day and sleeping into the first rest leaving only 3 clear days before commencing a block of earlies.

Front line Police Officers work in excess of 200 hrs over a 5 week period, not including overtime which is (often) unwanted.

This works out to be, over the course of an average year, ten days more work output than the average UK worker (according to the stats of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)).

As I have said to other detractors in the past, none of whom have accepted the challenge: if you're so concerned about the standards of policing, make a difference yourselves and help out - join the Force, or become a Special Constable.

40 hours a week, and you are complaining. Ask a nurse how many hours a week she works to earn 10K less a year.

@ Ger elttil..

Did you deliberately ignore the substance of the post or was it lost on you?

As I said, direct comparisons with other job roles are impossible due to the unique nature of the job.

I'm not going to point out all the differences between nursing and policing, nor am I going to start a bun fight as to pay difference. If you do your own research you may be a little enlightened (perhaps research how many police officers have been injured on duty in the last 12 months).

As for Nurses working hours, trust me I know very well. Generally a 36 hr week with three 12 hr shifts, with one weekend in 4 plus a 40 hr week in every 5.

Of course, I think nurses do 'report' for work sometime before their shift starts so as to ensure efficient handovers of patients. Police officers also generally report for work before their shift starts too. I'm sure fire fighters and paramedics would too.

Unbelievable...Thame
s Valley Police officers are so lazzzzzy it’s difficult to believe.
They have a notorious reputation for hiding away in layby areas especially in the Banbury area!
Even a two day week would be hard work for them. It’s not like they are busy because all they seem to do is sit together talking and avoiding dealing with any requests for assistance!
They should do a proper job for a change where they have to actually do some work!
If you want an easy life with no responsibility- be a copper!