Church vows to fight on against lapdancing club (From Oxford Mail)
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Church vows to fight on against lapdancing club
3:50pm Wednesday 20th July 2011 in News By Chris Buratta
OXFORD’S only lapdancing club has found a new home in the city despite church claims that it “undermines God’s gift of marriage”.
The Lodge has been granted a sexual entertainment licence at The Coven, in Oxpens Road, by a committee of city councillors.
But the club’s most vehement opponent, St Ebbe’s Church, has not given up the fight.
And they may yet challenge that decision in the High Court.
Owners of The Lodge want to take over the lease on the Oxpens Road venue and spend £100,000 refurbishing it before reopening as a lap dancing club.
The Coven currently operates as a nightclub.
The council refused to renew the club’s licence at its previous venue, in Pennyfarthing Place behind the Westgate Shopping Centre, as it was too close to churches, shops and tourist attractions.
But the council’s licensing sub-committee granted a licence for The Coven premises, as it felt the club’s revised opening time of 11pm meant it would not overlap with its neighbours, including Oxford & Cherwell Valley College and Oxford ice rink.
But the Rev Vaughan Roberts, of St Ebbe’s Church, said he was “disappointed and surprised” by the decision.
“We continue to believe that this kind of club is not good anywhere in our city because it undermines God’s good gift of marriage and degrades women,” he said.
Jon Payne, the barrister representing the church, said the church was considering its next move that could include launching a challenge in the High Court.
Last year, the church fought and lost a court challenge to The Lodge at its previous venue.
Comments(28)
sparky123456
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4:07pm Wed 20 Jul 11
CowleyBoy
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4:23pm Wed 20 Jul 11
Lord Peter Macvey
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4:50pm Wed 20 Jul 11
Wacky_A
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5:44pm Wed 20 Jul 11
CowleyBoy
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6:17pm Wed 20 Jul 11
on of trade.
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I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
Lord Peter Macvey
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6:40pm Wed 20 Jul 11
CowleyBoy wrote:Well The Church made an Adulteress and a Prostitute a Saint, but evidently dancing on Stage is far worse.
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
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I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
CowleyBoy
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7:04pm Wed 20 Jul 11
Lord Peter Macvey wrote:Touche. Maybe they should put a brothel where Thirst Lodge used to be. Any protest by the church would be the ultimate irony / hypocrisy
CowleyBoy wrote:Well The Church made an Adulteress and a Prostitute a Saint, but evidently dancing on Stage is far worse.
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
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I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
John J Monaghan
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5:36am Thu 21 Jul 11
Something is wrong.......
Tykeman
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8:47am Thu 21 Jul 11
I am tolerant of other people's ridiculous religious views so long as they don't try to force everybody to behave as they say. Lets hope they go to the High Court, lose another packet and have to sack the Vicar !
medicine man
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9:12am Thu 21 Jul 11
CllrMMills
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11:33am Thu 21 Jul 11
John J Monaghan wrote:Before you comment on religious issues again you might want to learn the difference between Catholics and Anglicans. If you don't know that very basic fact, it's a pretty safe bet you don't know what you're talking about more generally when it comes to churches.
Uproar about about Lapdancing, but cover ups for child abuse........
Something is wrong.......
CllrMMills
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11:42am Thu 21 Jul 11
Lord Peter Macvey wrote:The comment about learning the difference between Anglicans and Catholics also applies to you too!
CowleyBoy wrote:Well The Church made an Adulteress and a Prostitute a Saint, but evidently dancing on Stage is far worse.
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
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I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
I assume that you meant here to refer to Mary Magdalene and to Jesus's mother.
MM is never described as a prostitute in the Bible and the assumption that she is arises from confusing her with another character.
If you believe the Biblical account then Jesus was conceived immaculately. If you don't why are you even talking as if Mary was a real person?
Seriously, don't base school boy insults on the basis of school boy errors. It makes you look...well...childi
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Whitto
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12:14pm Thu 21 Jul 11
Would you care to comment on the fact that St Ebbes Church will not allow women to preach in the church and if you as a Cllr find that discriminatory or not?
Whitto
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12:18pm Thu 21 Jul 11
I look forward to your replies
Many Thanks
CowleyBoy
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1:59pm Thu 21 Jul 11
medicine man
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4:06pm Thu 21 Jul 11
Lord Peter Macvey
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4:50pm Thu 21 Jul 11
CllrMMills wrote:May I refer you to The Latin Rite of The R.C. Church. If you bother, then you will find that there is NO mistaken identity at all. I find it a real shame that in this day and age that people are still so narrow minded and ignorant about the 21st century that they live their lives by fables and legend of many centuries ago. If that Cllr Mills is how you and your ilk wish to live, then good on you. But please do not force your misguided views onto the rest of us informed people.
Lord Peter Macvey wrote:The comment about learning the difference between Anglicans and Catholics also applies to you too!
CowleyBoy wrote:Well The Church made an Adulteress and a Prostitute a Saint, but evidently dancing on Stage is far worse.
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
I assume that you meant here to refer to Mary Magdalene and to Jesus's mother.
MM is never described as a prostitute in the Bible and the assumption that she is arises from confusing her with another character.
If you believe the Biblical account then Jesus was conceived immaculately. If you don't why are you even talking as if Mary was a real person?
Seriously, don't base school boy insults on the basis of school boy errors. It makes you look...well...childi
sh.
ItscalledspinIcallitlying
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9:42pm Fri 22 Jul 11
Wacky_A wrote:How many women doing this work do you suppose would do it if they could get paid the same for a different job?
"Undermines God’s good gift of marriage and degrades women" - once again, someone please clarify and explain what this means? It doesn't degrade them. If anything, is the other way round...with the women in full power and control and people envious towards them! And really, surely they have way too much money to burn!!
You appear to be confusing **** with envy.
Anyway, apart from your limited mind I think Churches should also be required to apply for a licence with strict opening hours enforced.
ItscalledspinIcallitlying
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9:46pm Fri 22 Jul 11
ox-cabby
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11:56pm Fri 22 Jul 11
I got what i expected.....the comments i mean.....hilarious!
CowleyBoy, next time you 'Touche' someone, make sure they know what thats all about as i'm sure you've completely confused Lord Macvey!
Where have you been hiding ItscalledspinIcallit
lying? .....your input is always valued.
But to finish on a serious note, i still say no to a lap dancing club, it DOES degrade women. But the church is actually stuck its foot in some poo. The club is no where near you now so end the issue!
Wacky_A
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3:01pm Sat 23 Jul 11
Wacky_A
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3:02pm Sat 23 Jul 11
boagongrui
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7:44pm Sat 23 Jul 11
I don't go to lap dancing
Shut both of them.
ItscalledspinIcallitlying
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8:50pm Sat 23 Jul 11
Wacky_A wrote:You think women that need to do this for employment draped around a metal pole or gyrating on a punter's lap for money is an example of sexuality and beauty? Are you a paying punter perchance?
All I'm saying is the powerful image (or ****) of sexuality and beauty is not degrading, to the extreme as such. But ah well, we all have different views!
Do you also think it's empowering and an example of sexuality and beauty when women are economically forced to sell their body on street corners?
Lord Peter Macvey
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4:22pm Mon 25 Jul 11
ItscalledspinIcallitIn answer to your question, no. But it is a lot more honest than the girls that take 10 drinks off of a bloke in a club with the promise of a ride later, and then suddenly develop a headache.
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Wacky_A wrote:You think women that need to do this for employment draped around a metal pole or gyrating on a punter's lap for money is an example of sexuality and beauty? Are you a paying punter perchance?
All I'm saying is the powerful image (or ****) of sexuality and beauty is not degrading, to the extreme as such. But ah well, we all have different views!
Do you also think it's empowering and an example of sexuality and beauty when women are economically forced to sell their body on street corners?
How many women doing this work do you suppose would do it if they could get paid the same for a different job?
And in answer to your second question. None, because to be earning the same money they would have to have Davey Boys, or Cherie Blairs job, and even then it would probably mean a pay cut.
Lord Peter Macvey
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9:53pm Mon 25 Jul 11
Whitto
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10:16am Tue 26 Jul 11
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4:00pm Wed 20 Jul 11