OXFORD’S only lapdancing club has found a new home in the city despite church claims that it “undermines God’s gift of marriage”.
The Lodge has been granted a sexual entertainment licence at The Coven, in Oxpens Road, by a committee of city councillors.
But the club’s most vehement opponent, St Ebbe’s Church, has not given up the fight.
And they may yet challenge that decision in the High Court.
Owners of The Lodge want to take over the lease on the Oxpens Road venue and spend £100,000 refurbishing it before reopening as a lap dancing club.
The Coven currently operates as a nightclub.
The council refused to renew the club’s licence at its previous venue, in Pennyfarthing Place behind the Westgate Shopping Centre, as it was too close to churches, shops and tourist attractions.
But the council’s licensing sub-committee granted a licence for The Coven premises, as it felt the club’s revised opening time of 11pm meant it would not overlap with its neighbours, including Oxford & Cherwell Valley College and Oxford ice rink.
But the Rev Vaughan Roberts, of St Ebbe’s Church, said he was “disappointed and surprised” by the decision.
“We continue to believe that this kind of club is not good anywhere in our city because it undermines God’s good gift of marriage and degrades women,” he said.
Jon Payne, the barrister representing the church, said the church was considering its next move that could include launching a challenge in the High Court.
Last year, the church fought and lost a court challenge to The Lodge at its previous venue.
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Doesn't it degrade women not to allow them to preach in your church?
Doesn't it degrade women not to allow them to preach in your church?
YAY for the Lodge. Well done, justice really has prevailed. How can the church seriously launch a counter on those claims? What if you're an atheist? How does marriage even come in to it. what if you're single and you don't give a ****!
YAY for the Lodge. Well done, justice really has prevailed. How can the church seriously launch a counter on those claims? What if you're an atheist? How does marriage even come in to it. what if you're single and you don't give a ****!
I think the opening night should have a nuns & vicars theme.
I think the opening night should have a nuns & vicars theme.
St Ebbes must have money to burn. They already lost thousands in legal costs when The Lodge was next door, so what makes them think they will win when it has moved Half a Mile away?. The parishoners should be questioning this misuse of their money.
St Ebbes must have money to burn. They already lost thousands in legal costs when The Lodge was next door, so what makes them think they will win when it has moved Half a Mile away?. The parishoners should be questioning this misuse of their money.
"Undermines God’s good gift of marriage and degrades women" - once again, someone please clarify and explain what this means? It doesn't degrade them. If anything, is the other way round...with the women in full power and control and people envious towards them! And really, surely they have way too much money to burn!!
"Undermines God’s good gift of marriage and degrades women" - once again, someone please clarify and explain what this means? It doesn't degrade them. If anything, is the other way round...with the women in full power and control and people envious towards them! And really, surely they have way too much money to burn!!
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
CowleyBoy wrote…
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
Well The Church made an Adulteress and a Prostitute a Saint, but evidently dancing on Stage is far worse.
CowleyBoy wrote…
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
Well The Church made an Adulteress and a Prostitute a Saint, but evidently dancing on Stage is far worse.
Lord Peter Macvey wrote…
CowleyBoy wrote…
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
Touche. Maybe they should put a brothel where Thirst Lodge used to be. Any protest by the church would be the ultimate irony / hypocrisy
Lord Peter Macvey wrote…
CowleyBoy wrote…
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
Touche. Maybe they should put a brothel where Thirst Lodge used to be. Any protest by the church would be the ultimate irony / hypocrisy
said before..2 monks down town..heard bolwjob....whats a bolwjob bro mark?dont know bro james..i will ask the nuns next door..bro mark leant over the wall said whats a bolwjob sister?...she said £25 same as in town..girls make money so what..
Uproar about about Lapdancing, but cover ups for child abuse........
Something is wrong.......
Uproar about about Lapdancing, but cover ups for child abuse........
Something is wrong.......
The Church's original objection was that the Thurst Lodge was next door to them, now it seems Rev Roberts is trying to ram his views down our throats whether we like it or not.
I am tolerant of other people's ridiculous religious views so long as they don't try to force everybody to behave as they say. Lets hope they go to the High Court, lose another packet and have to sack the Vicar !
The Church's original objection was that the Thurst Lodge was next door to them, now it seems Rev Roberts is trying to ram his views down our throats whether we like it or not.
I am tolerant of other people's ridiculous religious views so long as they don't try to force everybody to behave as they say. Lets hope they go to the High Court, lose another packet and have to sack the Vicar !
Didn't I read in the OM last week that the church is losing money and some may have to close,yet that old fool the Rev.Vaughan Roberts is thinking of yet another court appearance to lose yet another load of dosh.And as for "undermine God's gift of marriage "what about all the kiddie fiddling sky pilots,do they not undermine God's gift of marriage ?
Didn't I read in the OM last week that the church is losing money and some may have to close,yet that old fool the Rev.Vaughan Roberts is thinking of yet another court appearance to lose yet another load of dosh.And as for "undermine God's gift of marriage "what about all the kiddie fiddling sky pilots,do they not undermine God's gift of marriage ?
John J Monaghan wrote…
Uproar about about Lapdancing, but cover ups for child abuse........
Something is wrong.......
Before you comment on religious issues again you might want to learn the difference between Catholics and Anglicans. If you don't know that very basic fact, it's a pretty safe bet you don't know what you're talking about more generally when it comes to churches.
John J Monaghan wrote…
Uproar about about Lapdancing, but cover ups for child abuse........
Something is wrong.......
Before you comment on religious issues again you might want to learn the difference between Catholics and Anglicans. If you don't know that very basic fact, it's a pretty safe bet you don't know what you're talking about more generally when it comes to churches.
Lord Peter Macvey wrote…
CowleyBoy wrote…
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
The comment about learning the difference between Anglicans and Catholics also applies to you too!
I assume that you meant here to refer to Mary Magdalene and to Jesus's mother.
MM is never described as a prostitute in the Bible and the assumption that she is arises from confusing her with another character.
If you believe the Biblical account then Jesus was conceived immaculately. If you don't why are you even talking as if Mary was a real person?
Seriously, don't base school boy insults on the basis of school boy errors. It makes you look...well...childi
sh.
Lord Peter Macvey wrote…
CowleyBoy wrote…
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
The comment about learning the difference between Anglicans and Catholics also applies to you too!
I assume that you meant here to refer to Mary Magdalene and to Jesus's mother.
MM is never described as a prostitute in the Bible and the assumption that she is arises from confusing her with another character.
If you believe the Biblical account then Jesus was conceived immaculately. If you don't why are you even talking as if Mary was a real person?
Seriously, don't base school boy insults on the basis of school boy errors. It makes you look...well...childi
sh.
Dear Cllr Mills,
Would you care to comment on the fact that St Ebbes Church will not allow women to preach in the church and if you as a Cllr find that discriminatory or not?
Dear Cllr Mills,
Would you care to comment on the fact that St Ebbes Church will not allow women to preach in the church and if you as a Cllr find that discriminatory or not?
Oh and whilst you are at it, what are your thoughts on therecent story about a club having a ladies night where the male bar staff are dressed only in their pants?
I look forward to your replies
Many Thanks
Oh and whilst you are at it, what are your thoughts on therecent story about a club having a ladies night where the male bar staff are dressed only in their pants?
I look forward to your replies
Many Thanks
Cllr Mills - you talk about knowing the difference between Catholics and Anglicans. The fact that these two factions even exist goes to show that Christianity (like many other religions) is at war with itself. If they can't all even agree on which version of a fairy tale is correct, what gives them the right to ram it down the rest of our throats.
Cllr Mills - you talk about knowing the difference between Catholics and Anglicans. The fact that these two factions even exist goes to show that Christianity (like many other religions) is at war with itself. If they can't all even agree on which version of a fairy tale is correct, what gives them the right to ram it down the rest of our throats.
CowleyBoy. You're bang on the money mate.You've got it dead right. I wonder how Cllr Mills will get round that one .
CowleyBoy. You're bang on the money mate.You've got it dead right. I wonder how Cllr Mills will get round that one .
CllrMMills wrote…
Lord Peter Macvey wrote…
CowleyBoy wrote…
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
I assume that you meant here to refer to Mary Magdalene and to Jesus's mother.
MM is never described as a prostitute in the Bible and the assumption that she is arises from confusing her with another character.
If you believe the Biblical account then Jesus was conceived immaculately. If you don't why are you even talking as if Mary was a real person?
Seriously, don't base school boy insults on the basis of school boy errors. It makes you look...well...childi
sh.
May I refer you to The Latin Rite of The R.C. Church. If you bother, then you will find that there is NO mistaken identity at all. I find it a real shame that in this day and age that people are still so narrow minded and ignorant about the 21st century that they live their lives by fables and legend of many centuries ago. If that Cllr Mills is how you and your ilk wish to live, then good on you. But please do not force your misguided views onto the rest of us informed people.
CllrMMills wrote…
Lord Peter Macvey wrote…
CowleyBoy wrote…
Maybe the club should launch a counter-claim against the church for harassment/restricti
on of trade.
.
I thought god loved EVERYONE? Even (or maybe especially) strippers?
I assume that you meant here to refer to Mary Magdalene and to Jesus's mother.
MM is never described as a prostitute in the Bible and the assumption that she is arises from confusing her with another character.
If you believe the Biblical account then Jesus was conceived immaculately. If you don't why are you even talking as if Mary was a real person?
Seriously, don't base school boy insults on the basis of school boy errors. It makes you look...well...childi
sh.
May I refer you to The Latin Rite of The R.C. Church. If you bother, then you will find that there is NO mistaken identity at all. I find it a real shame that in this day and age that people are still so narrow minded and ignorant about the 21st century that they live their lives by fables and legend of many centuries ago. If that Cllr Mills is how you and your ilk wish to live, then good on you. But please do not force your misguided views onto the rest of us informed people.
Wacky_A wrote…
"Undermines God’s good gift of marriage and degrades women" - once again, someone please clarify and explain what this means? It doesn't degrade them. If anything, is the other way round...with the women in full power and control and people envious towards them! And really, surely they have way too much money to burn!!
How many women doing this work do you suppose would do it if they could get paid the same for a different job?
You appear to be confusing **** with envy.
Anyway, apart from your limited mind I think Churches should also be required to apply for a licence with strict opening hours enforced.
Wacky_A wrote…
"Undermines God’s good gift of marriage and degrades women" - once again, someone please clarify and explain what this means? It doesn't degrade them. If anything, is the other way round...with the women in full power and control and people envious towards them! And really, surely they have way too much money to burn!!
How many women doing this work do you suppose would do it if they could get paid the same for a different job?
You appear to be confusing **** with envy.
Anyway, apart from your limited mind I think Churches should also be required to apply for a licence with strict opening hours enforced.
That was meant to say l u s t and envy!
That was meant to say l u s t and envy!
Oh matron!
I got what i expected.....the comments i mean.....hilarious!
CowleyBoy, next time you 'Touche' someone, make sure they know what thats all about as i'm sure you've completely confused Lord Macvey!
Where have you been hiding ItscalledspinIcallit
lying? .....your input is always valued.
But to finish on a serious note, i still say no to a lap dancing club, it DOES degrade women. But the church is actually stuck its foot in some poo. The club is no where near you now so end the issue!
Oh matron!
I got what i expected.....the comments i mean.....hilarious!
CowleyBoy, next time you 'Touche' someone, make sure they know what thats all about as i'm sure you've completely confused Lord Macvey!
Where have you been hiding ItscalledspinIcallit
lying? .....your input is always valued.
But to finish on a serious note, i still say no to a lap dancing club, it DOES degrade women. But the church is actually stuck its foot in some poo. The club is no where near you now so end the issue!
All I'm saying is the powerful image (or ****) of sexuality and beauty is not degrading, to the extreme as such. But ah well, we all have different views!
All I'm saying is the powerful image (or ****) of sexuality and beauty is not degrading, to the extreme as such. But ah well, we all have different views!
l u s t* - evil word apparently!
l u s t* - evil word apparently!
Surely ,if the Reverend had any decency about him he wouldn't be spending money on barristers etc but sending it to do some good in Somalia where ,in case he hasn't noticed ,people are dying. I guess the guy's got his head up his a**e .Or maybe somone elses.
I don't go to church
I don't go to lap dancing
Shut both of them.
I don't go to church
I don't go to lap dancing
Shut both of them.
Wacky_A wrote…
All I'm saying is the powerful image (or ****) of sexuality and beauty is not degrading, to the extreme as such. But ah well, we all have different views!
You think women that need to do this for employment draped around a metal pole or gyrating on a punter's lap for money is an example of sexuality and beauty? Are you a paying punter perchance?
Do you also think it's empowering and an example of sexuality and beauty when women are economically forced to sell their body on street corners?
Wacky_A wrote…
All I'm saying is the powerful image (or ****) of sexuality and beauty is not degrading, to the extreme as such. But ah well, we all have different views!
You think women that need to do this for employment draped around a metal pole or gyrating on a punter's lap for money is an example of sexuality and beauty? Are you a paying punter perchance?
Do you also think it's empowering and an example of sexuality and beauty when women are economically forced to sell their body on street corners?
rickenback wrote…
said before..2 monks down town..heard bolwjob....whats a bolwjob bro mark?dont know bro james..i will ask the nuns next door..bro mark leant over the wall said whats a bolwjob sister?...she said £25 same as in town..girls make money so what..
I'm trying to work out if that's oral s3x, a basin haircut or an operation on your sh1t tube?
ItscalledspinIcallit
lying wrote…
Wacky_A wrote…
All I'm saying is the powerful image (or ****) of sexuality and beauty is not degrading, to the extreme as such. But ah well, we all have different views!
Do you also think it's empowering and an example of sexuality and beauty when women are economically forced to sell their body on street corners?
In answer to your question, no. But it is a lot more honest than the girls that take 10 drinks off of a bloke in a club with the promise of a ride later, and then suddenly develop a headache.
How many women doing this work do you suppose would do it if they could get paid the same for a different job?
And in answer to your second question. None, because to be earning the same money they would have to have Davey Boys, or Cherie Blairs job, and even then it would probably mean a pay cut.
ItscalledspinIcallit
lying wrote…
Wacky_A wrote…
All I'm saying is the powerful image (or ****) of sexuality and beauty is not degrading, to the extreme as such. But ah well, we all have different views!
Do you also think it's empowering and an example of sexuality and beauty when women are economically forced to sell their body on street corners?
In answer to your question, no. But it is a lot more honest than the girls that take 10 drinks off of a bloke in a club with the promise of a ride later, and then suddenly develop a headache.
How many women doing this work do you suppose would do it if they could get paid the same for a different job?
And in answer to your second question. None, because to be earning the same money they would have to have Davey Boys, or Cherie Blairs job, and even then it would probably mean a pay cut.
No reply itslying man. C'Mon you are the voice of reason on here. Or is it Wooly Liberal Leftyism, you throw the insults freely, but do not have anything to back yourself up, apart from your self rightous belief that you are always right.
No reply itslying man. C'Mon you are the voice of reason on here. Or is it Wooly Liberal Leftyism, you throw the insults freely, but do not have anything to back yourself up, apart from your self rightous belief that you are always right.
I also note that Cllr Mills hasn't replied to the legitimate questions placed to him earlier. Is this because he doesn't have any answer to them or because he is just ignoring them in the hope that it all goes away?
I also note that Cllr Mills hasn't replied to the legitimate questions placed to him earlier. Is this because he doesn't have any answer to them or because he is just ignoring them in the hope that it all goes away?