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Police need to regain respect, says retired bobby


POLICE need to regain the respect of the public to help increase the number of crimes they solve, a retired bobby has claimed.

Philip Haynes, a former officer in Witney, said officers must remain “aloof” and “different from the ordinary person” if they wanted to catch more criminals.

Earlier this month, Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary criticised Thames Valley Police’s record on catching criminals – particularly violent ones – and rated its success at solving crime as poor, the lowest possible mark.

Oxfordshire officers solved 2,400 fewer crimes in 2009-10 than they did in 2008-9, with the detection rate falling from 25.9 per cent to 22.5 per cent of reported crimes.

Deputy Chief Constable Francis Habgood said the force had been failing to focus on detection and said too much emphasis was put on cutting crime and in-creasing public confidence.

The report supported Mr Hapgood’s claim that overall crime was down in the county and said the force’s record on cutting road deaths and injuries was excellent. The force’s overall rating from the inspectorate was fair.

Following the report, Mr Haynes delved into his old police records, which he saved along with other memorabilia when Oxfordshire Constabulary was replaced by the Thames Valley force in 1968.

He found a file on detection rates for Oxfordshire – excluding Oxford, which had its own city police until 1968 – for 1918, which were signed by the then chief constable Douglas Roberts.

The documents show that in many areas of the county, more than 80 per cent of reported crimes were solved.

In the village of Chadlington, between Charlbury and Chipping Norton, police recorded detection rates of 93 per cent, while in the area known as Bampton West, the figure was 82 per cent.

The 75-year-old, who was a police officer for 31 years, said: “People respected police officers an awful lot back then. They thought they couldn’t tell them lies.

“These days the police don’t have the respect that they used to have. Also the punishments were much harsher. You could get imprisonment and hard labour for stealing one egg.

“The number of offences wasn’t that many but then again you wouldn’t commit a crime if you thought you were going to get caught.”

Mr Haynes explained that in Oxfordshire in the late 1920s and 1930s police officers always lived outside the villages and towns which they policed.

He said: “The chief constable believed the policemen shouldn’t be in the villages.

“That way they would remain aloof and have more respect. Nowadays it seems it’s the other way round.

“ The police need to be aloof to be respected.”

But Mr Haynes, of Moor Avenue, Witney, pointed to the different challenges today, including dealing with the influence of violent films and video games.

He said: “Years ago, if two men had a fight and someone punched them on the nose, they would walk away.

“Now they kick his ribs, stamp on his face and all his mates join in.

“People were also much more co-operative than they are nowadays. Witnesses don’t want to come forward and get involved.”

No-one from Thames Valley Police was available to comment.


Comments(9)

sparro says...
8:24am Mon 22 Mar 10

Good old dark ages.

adyt says...
9:28am Mon 22 Mar 10

The main reasons for a lack of respect for not only the police but law and order in every part of life,is due to the cultural changes always taking place,not intending to sound racist but too many different races and cultures that have different views on respect.plus there are too many well intentioned do-gooders who feel it wrong to impose tough sentences on guilty verdicts.Human rights seems only applicable to those that get into trouble and not the victims of crime

pater mcvey says...
9:40am Mon 22 Mar 10

Maybe when they stop nicking otherwise law abiding people for trivial things, and start using their common sense, then they might find that we are more inclined to help rather than hinder them.

LadyPenelope says...
11:07am Mon 22 Mar 10

I agree with McVey - the police should stop harassing those committing very minor first time offences, which they no doubt do to boost their success rate, and concentrate on criminals that make other people's life a misery.
I used to respect the police, but certainly don't any more.

Tom Daily says...
12:33pm Mon 22 Mar 10

The problem is, it's these minor offences which generate vast amounts of revenue for the forces, i.e speeding fines, no seat belts, no inusrance, m.o.t no cycle lights etc etc
Serious crime does not bring financial benefits to the enforcers.

LadyPenelope says...
12:48pm Mon 22 Mar 10

Tom Daily wrote:
The problem is, it's these minor offences which generate vast amounts of revenue for the forces, i.e speeding fines, no seat belts, no inusrance, m.o.t no cycle lights etc etc Serious crime does not bring financial benefits to the enforcers.
Which is exactly why the police no longer have much respect, as it's all about money and protecting the human rights of criminals, rather than crime.

scotta says...
4:19pm Mon 22 Mar 10

Thames Valley police are a total embarrassment!!
They have absolutely no respect for the public so they deserve none either-they need to earn it! They have a reputation for being one of the worst performing in the country- and justifiably so!
I have on several occasions needed to contact Thames Valley Police however the co-operation and support I received was zero!!
The police in Banbury are the worst and are known for being lazy and incompetent. Infact many people comment on how useless they are and this is common knowledge. It is no surprise that this report has shown them to under-perform!
The only things they are good for is sliding down hills in the snow on their riot sheilds as sledges, shooting themselves, committing fraud and increasing our council tax! These are just some incidents that have been highlighted in the media recently but many other instances of misconduct within Thames Valley police get covered up and “glossed over” by their Professional Standards Dept…Thames Valley Police……shame on you!!

Golum says...
5:09pm Mon 22 Mar 10

Scotta, where were you when I needed your back up about the clowns sledding down the hills.

Lady P was very indignant as was Mc vey, that I dared say that these non performing bully boys should be reprimanded.

We have police who think more about themselves than the community, we have police who committed fraud with credit cards and they were allowed to get away with it and we are asked to give them respect.

Respect is earned and TVP will take years to repair the damaged they have done!

pater mcvey says...
9:40pm Mon 22 Mar 10

Golum wrote:
Scotta, where were you when I needed your back up about the clowns sledding down the hills. Lady P was very indignant as was Mc vey, that I dared say that these non performing bully boys should be reprimanded. We have police who think more about themselves than the community, we have police who committed fraud with credit cards and they were allowed to get away with it and we are asked to give them respect. Respect is earned and TVP will take years to repair the damaged they have done!
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Retired police officer Philip Haynes with a pair of vintage handcuffs from his collection of police memorabilia n ON MOVE: Oxfordshire officers with their first patrol cars, BSA three-wheelers, in 1931 Philip Haynes with a sign from the old police house at Shiplake, near Henley

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