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MPs' EXPENSES: Harris says he'll repay profit on sale of his London flat


MP EVAN Harris made £200,000 when he sold his taxpayer-funded home in London, but last night pledged to pay back any profits.

The Oxford West and Abingdon MP bought the one-bedroom flat in Westminster for £150,000 when he was first elected in 1997 and claimed £79,618 in second home expenses on the property in four years. Last year he sold it to his parents for £350,000.

All capital gain financed by the taxpayer will be paid back –– it’s something I will do.

Evan Harris

The Liberal Democrat MP is due to pay capital gains tax on the sale – about £36,000. But, in line with party leader Nick Clegg’s proposals, he has also pledged to pay back the rest of the profit on the property – and on any future second home sales – when he leaves office.

Mr Harris yesterday revealed his parliamentary expenses to the Oxford Mail after the furore over MPs’ claims.

He said: “My main home has always been my flat in Botley, Oxford, which has a living room, kitchen, two bathrooms, one bedroom and a study. It has no garden.

“My second home has always been in London. I had a one-bedroom flat with a living room and kitchen which was five minutes’ walk from the House of Commons. I sold it in November last year because I wanted a flat with a study. My new flat is also in Westminster.

“All capital gain financed by the taxpayer will be paid back –– it’s something I will do.

“That’s never been an issue for me. I have never been in the property market.”

Other MPs have been crticised for using taxpayer-funded expenses to improve properties before selling them on for a profit.

Between April 2004 and March 2008, Dr Harris claimed £30,606 on paying off the interest on his £125,000 interest-only mortgage, which has been transferred to his new flat.

He spent £16,056 on food, £3,703 on utility bills, £1,278 on telephone bills and £2,210 on cleaners. He also claimed £1,316 on new carpets, for his TV licence each year and smaller items such as an iron, a kettle and bath towels.

In the summer of 2007, he claimed between £2,500 and £3,000 for emergency plumbing work.

Dr Harris defended the claims. He said he had never claimed for furniture and stopped claiming for food, general household goods and cleaners 18 months ago.

He said: “I’m not surprised people are furious about what some MPs have been up to, but I have only claimed for a modest flat near the Commons. There’s been no lavish redecoration.

“I read the member’s claim form every time I sign it and all my claims have been for ‘additional expenses wholly, exclusively and necessarily incurred to enable you to stay overnight from your only or main home for the purpose of performing your parliamentary duties’.

“I am not independently wealthy so the only way to work the long hours that I do is to use the allowance to have a small flat near the Commons and claim subsistence. Any capital gain financed by the taxpayer will go back to the taxpayer when its value is realised.”

He added: “When I sold the one-bedroom flat to my parents to buy one with a study, I was careful to obtain a valuation and sell it at the valuation to avoid any question of personal gain.”

Dr Harris declined to say how much his new second home cost.

However, he did release his claims for the financial year ending March 2009, which totalled £15,256.13. His mortgage interest claims rose to £10,167.46, but he did not claim for food, cleaners or household goods.

tshepherd@oxfordmail.co.uk


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burro, Abingdon says...
6:38am Thu 28 May 09

Don't you feel that some MP's have well orchestrated answeres, they seem very well thought out. It's a bit like a shoplifter, once caught they say they would give back the goods!!! If we are paying towards his second home, we are entitled to know how much he is paying. I have not had many dealings with Dr Harris, I once asked for his help over youth problems in north Abingdon, I seem to recall I wrote to him in the Spring, he replied in the following Autumn, to say he hoped the problem was now resolved, well it was not!!! as we say where I come from it's all a load of "larrop" and no action

Evan Harris, Oxford says...
7:07am Thu 28 May 09

In response to "burro" I agree that he is entitled to know how much I receive for the London flat. As I told the Oxford Mail it is £10,000 for the last completed year 2008-9 The article says this. It is likely to be LESS this year following my move.
I published the 2008-9 figures months ahead of when parliament will precisely in order to provide this information.

Evan Harris

William Windsor, Oxford says...
7:22am Thu 28 May 09

I have only claimed for a modest flat near the Commons


and...? I do not call any of your expense claims 'modest'. All MP's have lost the confidence of the British public by years of abusing the system and by the fact that repeatedly, you all tried to keep a lid on the expenses claimed being made public.

How can you honestly expect anybody to ever trust your or your counterparts again and exactly why should anyone vote for you again ?

Evan Harris, Oxford says...
7:31am Thu 28 May 09

@ William Windsor

Your assertion that "all MPs tried to keep a lid on the expenses claims being made public" is not right. I voted repeatedly and consistently for the allowances figures and details to be published under FoI and spoke against an attampt by other other MPs to prevent it. I did not win any of those votes but the campaign to publish was finally won in the courts.
I published my claims with the Oxford Mail as soon as they were made available in draft by the Commons and was the first MP to offer to do so.

There are plenty of MPs in all parties who made honest and appropriate claims. So not all are "on the make".

Evan Harris

William Windsor, Oxford says...
8:03am Thu 28 May 09

Freedom of Information (Amendment) Bill — Keep disclosure for MPs' expenses — rejected — 20 Apr 2007 at 12:45 - According to published figures for this vote (probably one of the more important on the subject) you were absent, for whatever reason, so did not vote.



You say you had 'only a modest flat in Westminster' and yet in 07/08 you were the the 148th (out of 645) highest claimer of Additional Costs Allowance claiming £23,081 and 56th highest for Incidental Expenses Provision of £24,955, perhaps in your opinion modest but not in other peoples views I would imagine.

You are also an MP who lives within travelling distance of Westminster and yet in 07/08 had the 140th (out of 645)highest members travel bill (travel defined as Regular journeys between home/constituency/We
stminster) of £12,241.

In total for 07/08 you were the 88th most expensive MP - 88th most effective I doubt it.

If you were as keen on publishing your expenses as you are now implying why has it taken public outrage for you to do so ?

Zimmer, Oxon says...
8:06am Thu 28 May 09

No doubt the 'whistleblower' did this for money. But he has more that covered the costs in money that is being recovered 'voluntarily' from the MP's who have a guilty consceince. Had he not blown the whistle would Dr Harris and the others have paid back any profits and gains they made on the back of the public of this Country? Of course they wouldn't he is no diffent to the rest of the bad apples.Well I think Joe Public has had enough and they are about to receive their **** uppance and may be have to go out into the real world and earn a living (if they can get a job that is).

Evan Harris, Oxford says...
8:33am Thu 28 May 09

@ William Windsor

Actually the public whip website is misleading on the issue of votes on disclosure issue.

The debate on 18th April 2007 was successfully "filibustered" by the Lib Dems. The 2 votes were delaying tactics only (and lost 6 to 46). The key debate and votes were on this private members bill was Friday 18th May when I both spoke and voted against it along with every lib Dem MP present. We lost by 113 to 27.

This was followed by more votes on disclosure which "the public whip" shows I was fully in favour.

On travel, the cost covers all travel on parliamnetary business around the country and constituency and to and from westminster. i try to return to my constituiency to make meetings and events in the evenings and still return for a 10pm vote which is why I both commute and stay over. In terms of 88th most effective MP 2007-8, it is not for me to say but I was one of 4 MPs nominated for back-bench MP of the year in 2007-8 by Channel Four.

Evan Harris


Evan Harris

Evan Harris, Oxford says...
8:41am Thu 28 May 09

On the question of why it has taken until now to publish expenses, even after the welcome FoI court victory and the Labour and Conservative Parties giving up the fight....the reason is due to the Data Protection Act. The House would not release the receipts and the claim records until they had removed personal data - they would be breaking the law (Data Protection Act, DPA) otherwise. Even the Telegraph could not publish the full version of the leaked documents. they were due to be published by the House next month but I asked for my own records for earlier release and offered the Oxford Mail nearly two weeks ago the full version of the draft DPA-compliant papers.

William Windsor, Oxford says...
9:29am Thu 28 May 09

Evan Harris wrote:
On the question of why it has taken until now to publish expenses, even after the welcome FoI court victory and the Labour and Conservative Parties giving up the fight....the reason is due to the Data Protection Act. The House would not release the receipts and the claim records until they had removed personal data - they would be breaking the law (Data Protection Act, DPA) otherwise. Even the Telegraph could not publish the full version of the leaked documents. they were due to be published by the House next month but I asked for my own records for earlier release and offered the Oxford Mail nearly two weeks ago the full version of the draft DPA-compliant papers.
If as you say you passed details to the Oxford mail two weeks ago and they decided not to publish them you should be congratulated on doing so.

One thing though which version was it that you handed over. The first, second or third draft of publishable expenses as we all know the details were returned on several occasions for 'editing' by MP's to remove some of the more contraversial claims before being published.

One last thing would you have continued to make these claims and kept the £200,000 if this information had not been released by The Telegraph.

Evan Harris, Oxford says...
9:59am Thu 28 May 09

All capital gain financed by the taxpayer will be paid back –– it’s something I will do.Thanks for the questions.

1) The answer is that the file I gave to the OxMail was the first and only redacted version I have had from the House, with no bits removed by me.

The House of Commons sent a version of the expenses forms - several hundred pages in my case - but one of the thinest - for us to check for DPA issues. I only made three minor suggestions but decided not to wait for the House to send me corrected versions. I warned the Ox Mail that as a result I am liable for any DPA breach.

My breakdown published by the Mail is more detailed than that of the others because I gave them the whole file to take away!

2) On the last question the answer is yes.

I ought to be clear that I do not actually have £200,000. I have never realised any cash. All I have is another flat (with study) including that value. So I am planning to payi over (not "re-pay") any allowance-financed capital gain to the tax-payer when I stop needing a London flat for the job.

Also I put my own money into the flat as well (which cuts the mortage cost to the taxpayer) so not all the capital gain is financed by the allowance or due to be paid over.

No Lib Dems have flipped their second homes or avoided CGT; we are just not in the property business and I think all my LD colleagues were intending to pay over the relevant capital gain. That is the line we have taken with the Kelly Review.

This goes further than even the Telegraph has demanded and I also notice the Ox Mail did not see fit to ask the other two Oxfordshire MPs this question!

online_reader, says...
10:52am Thu 28 May 09

That seems to me to be a sensible solution to all the profiteering - on leaving Parliament any profit made from property paid for and maintained by the taxpayer should be repaid to the taxpayer. That way a London residence costs the MP nothing, but costs us nothing (at worst) in the long run.

Grumpy09, Oxon says...
11:44am Thu 28 May 09

it is nice to see that Mr Harris is at least having the common decency to reply to posts made by others.

Concerned one, Oxford says...
1:12pm Thu 28 May 09

I am past caring who pays what back. What little trust I had in politicians has now gone. I listen to all the party leaders pontificating about what the public wants and wonder why they were not openly raising this subject years ago. Next week I will vote for my MEP without knowing fully what my MEP costs and if he/she is abusing the EU expenses system. There is one law for politicians and another for the rest of us.

slimjim, oxford says...
12:38pm Fri 29 May 09

Of course they will pay back the money, now they have been caught, would they had they not been caught?I don't think so. They are all fiddling scumbags and not to be trusted

Tom Daily, oxford says...
12:17am Sat 30 May 09

Thank you Evan Harris, I think the fact you are willing to hand back the financial gains made is a step in the right direction.

Now lets see if we have a similar commitment from the shady Andrew Smith!

prindm, says...
5:01pm Fri 5 Jun 09

All capital gain financed by the taxpayer will be paid back –– it’s something I will do.It is just so disappointing. I'm afraid promises to pay back only after the facts are released ring hollow. What I also cannot comprehend are the other expenses you claimed. Your food??? How on earth can you justify claiming for this? Did becoming an mp cause such a radical change in your diet that food became more expensive than previously? were you eating for two? Your salary was surely sufficient for you to pay for your own food. Cleaners? I understand employing a cleaner, I have one myself - but I also understand that this is something I pay for because I cant do my job and keep my house neat and tidy... I do not expect anyone else to pay for me! As for your response on the 28th May when you talk about the other 2 mp's... I see this as little more than diverting attention from your own actions. Just really shabby behaviour and unless you do the right and obvious thing I shall change my vote in the next election.

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