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Oxfordshire couples fight for IVF treatment


OXFORDSHIRE couples seeking IVF fertility treatment have called on health officials to end to what they see as age discrimination over funding.

Three weeks ago Richard Mackenzie, from Witney, started a petition calling for Oxfordshire NHS Primary Care Trust to rethink its policy, which he says means couples can be deemed too young or too old to be eligible for NHS-funded IVF treatment, while people living in other PCT areas can get treatment.

So far, 203 people have signed the petition and yesterday Mr Mackenzie and a group of women who have been denied treatment by the NHS handed over the petition to the PCT.

Mr Mackenzie, 29, and his 26-year-old partner have been trying for six years to have a baby and have been told the only chance they have of conceiving is through IVF treatment.

But the PCT says it will not pay for the treatment, which costs an average of £3,000 per cycle, because the couple are too young. Private treatment costs about £10,000 per cycle.

Despite guidance issued in 2004 by the National Institute for Clinical Excellence stating that treatment should be given free of charge to couples in which the woman is aged between 23 and 39, Oxfordshire PCT will only pay for IVF for couples aged between 35 and 38.

Mr Mackenzie said: “It’s age discrimination. Having a child is a right, not a privilege.

“We have been told by our clinician that at the moment our chances of IVF treatment working are about 50 per cent.

“If we wait until my partner is 35, our fertility drops to 23.6 per cent.

“The ironic thing is if we were to live in Coventry, we would be given the treatment for free at the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford.”

Coventry PCT funds treatment for women aged between 23 and 40, while Swindon PCT funds treatment for couples aged between 30 and 39.

Oxfordshire is part of the NHS South Central Strategic Health Authority area, which includes Hampshire, the Isle of Wight, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire and Milton Keynes PCTs.

The PCT refused to say how many couples were waiting for IVF in Oxfordshire and said the way it funded treatment was being reviewed as part of a consultation to introduce a single policy across the South Central region.

A spokesman said it was also considering lowering the age bracket for treatment to 30 to 34 and added: “There are currently two different policies in NHS South Central, which were inherited from the predecessor organisations.

“We want to ensure everyone living in the area has the same access to services.

“The petition will be taken into account during the decision-making about assisted conception policy.”

Mr Mackenzie said: “We aren’t asking for extra funding, all we’re asking for is to have the funding we will be entitled to anyway, earlier, when it’s more likely to be successful.”

He is hoping to raise the issue at next month’s meeting of the Oxfordshire joint health overview and scrutiny committee, at Oxford Town Hall on Thursday, May 14.

To sign the petition, go to gopetition.co.uk/online/26607.html

WHAT IS IVF?

In-vitro fertilisation (IVF) is a medical procedure to help some infertile couples.

A woman’s ovaries are stimulated with hormone treatment to produce multiple eggs.

The eggs are then fertilised with her partner’s sperm in a laboratory.

This process produces several fertilised embryos, some of which are placed in the woman’s womb and the others are frozen for possible use, if further treatment cycles are needed.

To qualify for IVF treatment one, or both, of the couple must have been diagnosed with a fertility problem and must have been infertile for at least three years.

Couples who already have a naturally-conceived child do not qualify and if a woman has a Body Mass Index of below 19 or above 29.9 she will not be eligible.

Only non-smoking couples are accepted on the IVF treatment waiting list.


Your Say YourOxford

someguyfromhereandthere, says...
6:34am Sat 18 Apr 09

It is about time that we Oxfordshire residents had a fair health service. We pay the same in tax as the rest of the country, but seem to be discriminated against for living in our county.

In recent weeks I have read in the Oxford Mail about patients trying to get life extending cancer drugs and gender reassignment only to be refused by the Oxfordshire Primary Care Trust. Now they are discriminating on young couples too that want to start a family. And the biggest insult is that in all cases, if these Oxfordshire patients lived in other certain PCT areas that they WOULD be funded and treated by the NHS. This is a local and national scandal. And every Oxonian should fight against it.

This is disgraceful and I hope that the right people at the top of Oxfordshire PCT will be held fully accountantable for the devastation that their discriminative policies have caused.

My sympathies go to all patients that are suffering as a result of our poorly run PCT.

BillWhite, Norfolk says...
7:24am Sat 18 Apr 09

Would you be pulling the same sort of favortism on someone needing a new kidney? Or are you simply trying to choose who can or can't reproduce? This is glaringly socialist population control. What's next? Euthenasia based on county?

I thought we lived in a civilized world.

Mirella, Bicester says...
7:45am Sat 18 Apr 09

I think it is ridicilous that when you are in your would be naturally more fertile and would perhaps success better you wont get funding!!! Also you have more energy to when you are younger so if there is clearly a reason for IVF and you have tried as long as Richard and his wife then surely you should get free treatment! I wish you all the best and hope they will change their mind!!!

stephen_byrne, Leintwardine says...
8:52am Sat 18 Apr 09

People who want IVF well know that it is not an easy option. Far from it, there can be pain and heartbreak along the way. How an institution, whether governmental or private, can add to this heartbreak is beyond my understanding. I've a four-year old daughter, and each day I learn so much from her: principally, to forget about myself and to care for someone else without any thought for something in return. Not everyone wants children, and I wish every success and happiness to couples who do. So with all my heart I hope the Oxfordshire PCT changes its policy and also funds treatment for younger couples.

littlebear, Abingdon says...
9:18am Sat 18 Apr 09

To deny ivf to women is incredibly unfair. The current age bracket rules out women who stand a much higher chance of success and forces a heartbreaking wait. The proposed age bracket will rule out the many many women who don't meet their partner until they are in their 30's so may not realise they have a problem with fertility until after 34. Clearly the Oxfordshire PCT should fall in line with the NICE guidelines and offer IVF to women aged 23 - 39.

dhb, oxford says...
9:46am Sat 18 Apr 09

clearly there should be a consistent approach across the country basedon the NICE guidelines

woteva, Eynsham says...
10:08am Sat 18 Apr 09

I think the Oxfordshire PCT Should change the ages to run in accordance with the NICE guidelines.

philg, Oxford says...
10:30am Sat 18 Apr 09

Mr Mackenzie said: “It’s age discrimination. Having a child is a right, not a privilege."

Golly. A right? Really? I think he is mistaken.

TL, Chipping Norton says...
10:35am Sat 18 Apr 09

Lets remember the NICE guidelines. It is not just about age but all of the other factors they are not adhering to. My partners has an adult child from a relationship 20 years ago so I have no rights to treatment.

TL, Chipping Norton says...
10:40am Sat 18 Apr 09

TL wrote:
Lets remember the NICE guidelines. It is not just about age but all of the other factors they are not adhering to. My partners has an adult child from a relationship 20 years ago so I have no rights to treatment.
I mean partner - just the one!

Heluerto, Banbury says...
11:02am Sat 18 Apr 09

These new changes to policy make it even more difficult to come to terms with for those people who fall into the 33/34 year old bracket as they (and I) will lose all potential opportunities they have. I realise that the offer of IVF in the first place is something to be very grateful for. I understand those of us currently in the system in this age range may still in exceptional circumstances be still allowed treatment, however I dont think it is fair to be an acception, I want it to be an entitlement.

This sudden change to policy will also create budget problems as suddenly you will be faced with a completely new range of people wanting treatment. Whereas if you kept the upper age as it is and agree to reduce the age step by step to gradually reach the NICE guideline age, it would not create a huge dent in your budget all in one go.

It is not fair that just because we live in this county we are not entitled to the same treatment as we would in other counties in this country.

someguyfromhereandthere, says...
11:10am Sat 18 Apr 09

philg wrote:
Mr Mackenzie said: “It’s age discrimination. Having a child is a right, not a privilege." Golly. A right? Really? I think he is mistaken.
I take it that you are not then familiar with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was adopted on 10 December 1948 by the General Assembly of the United Nations of which the United Kingdom is a member country.

Article 16.1 of the declaration clearly stats that;

“Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family.”

It’s there in black and white.

jamiek, cumnor says...
11:13am Sat 18 Apr 09

The NHS should be about helping sick people not funding peoples desire for chilren!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!

connielarsen, Sydney, Australia says...
12:08pm Sat 18 Apr 09

maybe you should consider moving to a more family friendly part of the country?
Good luck, just persevere and eventually your quest will be successful

helenryle, Tralee says...
12:09pm Sat 18 Apr 09

This discrimination against the MacKenzies on the grounds of age seems very unfair.

Especially as it appears that if they lived in a different county they would be eligible for free IVF treatment.

Having children is such an enriching part of life, everyone should have an equal chance to avail of any treatment which can help their chances of conceiving.

IVF treatment should be offered on a consistent basis across the country, not based on differing criteria dependent on where you live.

Cheshire PCT should be offering this couple free IVF reatment.

Heluerto, Banbury says...
12:39pm Sat 18 Apr 09

jamiek wrote:
The NHS should be about helping sick people not funding peoples desire for chilren!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
The NHS are quite happy to put funds in when someone has injured themselves due to dangerous sports or excessive drugs or alcohol - these are life choices that people have made. Why then when it is not a life choice to be infertile should we be left to suffer with the mental traumer that no-one who hasnt experienced it could ever understand.

I don't spoke, drink or take drugs. I have worked my entire life and live within my own means. I have never received funding for higher education or sickness from the government. Why then when I want funding for this one thing which I need through no fault of my own am I not just denied, but denied because of age discrimination.

Heluerto, Banbury says...
12:44pm Sat 18 Apr 09

Heluerto wrote:
jamiek wrote: The NHS should be about helping sick people not funding peoples desire for chilren!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
The NHS are quite happy to put funds in when someone has injured themselves due to dangerous sports or excessive drugs or alcohol - these are life choices that people have made. Why then when it is not a life choice to be infertile should we be left to suffer with the mental traumer that no-one who hasnt experienced it could ever understand. I don't spoke, drink or take drugs. I have worked my entire life and live within my own means. I have never received funding for higher education or sickness from the government. Why then when I want funding for this one thing which I need through no fault of my own am I not just denied, but denied because of age discrimination.
that should of course have read - I don't smoke!

someguyfromhereandthere, says...
12:49pm Sat 18 Apr 09

Heluerto wrote:
jamiek wrote: The NHS should be about helping sick people not funding peoples desire for chilren!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
The NHS are quite happy to put funds in when someone has injured themselves due to dangerous sports or excessive drugs or alcohol - these are life choices that people have made. Why then when it is not a life choice to be infertile should we be left to suffer with the mental traumer that no-one who hasnt experienced it could ever understand. I don't spoke, drink or take drugs. I have worked my entire life and live within my own means. I have never received funding for higher education or sickness from the government. Why then when I want funding for this one thing which I need through no fault of my own am I not just denied, but denied because of age discrimination.
Well said Heluerto!

dolin0305, Norfolk says...
2:08pm Sat 18 Apr 09

The question arising is why is IVF have different rules in different areas of this country? This is truly Age Based Discrimination, in print. Bless Richard and Whitney for "seeing wrong, and trying to right it" by taking a public stand. It is time to correct another wrong in the system that we now know about.

AshleyLewis, Chesapeake,US says...
2:44pm Sat 18 Apr 09

It sounds to me that the criteria currently in place is in need of some sweeping reforms. The age requirements alone seem ridiculous - why on earth would the Dr's make a women wait until she much older - not only reducing the chance of a successful implant but putting the mothers health at greater risk.

Best wishes to Richard and his partner for bringing this issue to light.

sternian, Witney says...
3:29pm Sat 18 Apr 09

Oxfordshire NHS is sitting on a forecast surplus of £2 million. They have just set a budget of £1 million to bribe GPs NOT to refer patients to hospital Consultants which is a high risk strategy for us all locally. The NHS centrally has a surplus of £2 BILLION. We pay an awful lot to the many managers of 150 PCTs in the UK and all the job duplication that goes with it. The NHS is a black hole for hard earned taxpayers cash with NO ACCOUNTABILITY or TRANSPARENCY. It has become a comfortable club for highly paid "bean counters". Let's change the culture and put Patient Care first for a change!

someguyfromhereandthere, says...
6:09pm Sat 18 Apr 09

sternian wrote:
Oxfordshire NHS is sitting on a forecast surplus of £2 million. They have just set a budget of £1 million to bribe GPs NOT to refer patients to hospital Consultants which is a high risk strategy for us all locally. The NHS centrally has a surplus of £2 BILLION. We pay an awful lot to the many managers of 150 PCTs in the UK and all the job duplication that goes with it. The NHS is a black hole for hard earned taxpayers cash with NO ACCOUNTABILITY or TRANSPARENCY. It has become a comfortable club for highly paid "bean counters". Let's change the culture and put Patient Care first for a change!
Again, some excellent points made.

Eric Otto, Marriemont says...
6:28am Sun 19 Apr 09

This sounds like the NHS is practicing defacto eugenics as well as population control through the rationing of care. It would strike a reasonable man or woman that by the nature of her age, she would be the best candidate for this procedure rather than to wait for a later date when she is older. Neither will be more fertile in ten years; Now is better. The raising of a family is best done by the young. As a public policy edict, this is not one of the smartest. Let the couple have a baby to benefit us all and for the promise of life.

stellasolomons, London says...
9:23am Sun 19 Apr 09

As the donor-conceived have a thirty percent stronger chance of having birth defects, statistically someone will be born to live the life of a deformed adult, born on purpose! This is sad enough when it happens out of the blue but _

Please see >

http://beware-of-the
-fertility-indfustry
.
blogspot.com

Heluerto, Banbury says...
9:43am Sun 19 Apr 09

stellasolomons wrote:
As the donor-conceived have a thirty percent stronger chance of having birth defects, statistically someone will be born to live the life of a deformed adult, born on purpose! This is sad enough when it happens out of the blue but _ Please see > http://beware-of-the -fertility-indfustry . blogspot.com
This is biased sensationalised rubbish from someone who clearly doesnt like the progressive achievements of the medical industry.

In the same way as pro-life advertise themselves as a 'pregnancy advice centre' which is utter rubbish.

Joanna C, bicester says...
10:31am Sun 19 Apr 09

I must say that when I first heard about the problems that you were having with "age discrimination" I was surprised that Oxford had changed it's policy.

I too had to go down the path of IVF treatment and was told that although I would have to go on a waiting list there was no issue with my age (at the time I was 25). That was only 4 years ago.

As for people who say that there are other causes that need desperately funding, I can totally appreciate and agree that the nhs really should be paying for these. But having said that until you have been put in the situation where you have been told that you cannot have children unless you have IVF,then no-one can ever understand the heartache, emotional turmoil and stress that is put upon a relationship.

It makes me really angry to think how much money the government wastes in this country and after promising to improve the nhs in all departments they are now forcing trusts to make cut backs.

I really hope that this campaign is successful and would just like to say to anyone who is trying, never stop believing.

someguyfromhereandthere, says...
11:05am Sun 19 Apr 09

Joanna C wrote:
I must say that when I first heard about the problems that you were having with "age discrimination" I was surprised that Oxford had changed it's policy. I too had to go down the path of IVF treatment and was told that although I would have to go on a waiting list there was no issue with my age (at the time I was 25). That was only 4 years ago. As for people who say that there are other causes that need desperately funding, I can totally appreciate and agree that the nhs really should be paying for these. But having said that until you have been put in the situation where you have been told that you cannot have children unless you have IVF,then no-one can ever understand the heartache, emotional turmoil and stress that is put upon a relationship. It makes me really angry to think how much money the government wastes in this country and after promising to improve the nhs in all departments they are now forcing trusts to make cut backs. I really hope that this campaign is successful and would just like to say to anyone who is trying, never stop believing.
Joanna,

Did you have to request funding as an exception or was treatment just offered to you?

Paddy Landau, Oxford says...
12:23pm Sun 19 Apr 09

I was unaware that the NHS discriminated by location until I read this article. It's quite a shame that it happens, as it makes one feel quite insecure about one's medical situation. To those couples needing IVF, I wish you plenty of luck -- it seems that you need it!

BockBock, Oxford says...
1:39pm Sun 19 Apr 09

Denying younger couples free access to IVF is ridiculous. The delay lessens the chance that the procedure will work and it produces a great deal of stress at a time when most couples are ill-equipped to cope.

I wish these couples the best of luck as the odds are stacked against them in so many ways.

Infertility is an illness just as much as a broken leg or cancer, would younger patients be denied treatment for these illnesses - I don't think so.

Williamhordle, wantage says...
5:46pm Sun 19 Apr 09

I think they are right to deny young couples with IVF. They have to distribute the money into the most vialable cause. Now at 26 and 29 they have many years to continue trying and so I think NHS funded IVF treatment should be reserved for those as a last chance. At 26 and 29 they can continue to try natuarally and then aply for IVF at a later fate when they come inside the age guide lines.

Heluerto, Banbury says...
5:54pm Sun 19 Apr 09

Williamhordle wrote:
I think they are right to deny young couples with IVF. They have to distribute the money into the most vialable cause. Now at 26 and 29 they have many years to continue trying and so I think NHS funded IVF treatment should be reserved for those as a last chance. At 26 and 29 they can continue to try natuarally and then aply for IVF at a later fate when they come inside the age guide lines.
but they have been told IVF is the ONLY way to conceive, naturally falling pregnant is not an option for them.
As for me, I have waited like you have suggested, but soon to fall into the too old bracket if they change the goalposts. This is about making it fair for everyone.

Quentin Walker, Oxford says...
6:58pm Sun 19 Apr 09

someguyfromhereandth
ere
wrote:
philg wrote:
Mr Mackenzie said: “It’s age discrimination. Having a child is a right, not a privilege." Golly. A right? Really? I think he is mistaken.
I take it that you are not then familiar with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was adopted on 10 December 1948 by the General Assembly of the United Nations of which the United Kingdom is a member country.

Article 16.1 of the declaration clearly stats that;

“Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family.”

It’s there in black and white.
Where in Article 16 does it mention the right to IVF?

someguyfromhereandthere, says...
7:26pm Sun 19 Apr 09

Quentin Walker wrote:
someguyfromhereandth ere wrote:
philg wrote: Mr Mackenzie said: “It’s age discrimination. Having a child is a right, not a privilege." Golly. A right? Really? I think he is mistaken.
I take it that you are not then familiar with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was adopted on 10 December 1948 by the General Assembly of the United Nations of which the United Kingdom is a member country. Article 16.1 of the declaration clearly stats that; “Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family.” It’s there in black and white.
Where in Article 16 does it mention the right to IVF?
No where Quentin, but then again I never said or implied that it did.

oxmale, Oxford says...
8:12pm Sun 19 Apr 09

I am fully supportive to this cause. I don't see why age should be the deciding factor when it comes to people's rights to gain help when struggling to have children.

We must accept that people do and will have illnesses affecting their capabilities of having children, until we do, this sort of discrimination will continue.

Mirella, Bicester says...
8:33pm Sun 19 Apr 09

that is bit harsh!

Why would one be so against IVF for younger people if it's clearly the only option - and even if there might be a change to conceive naturally why should you wait until you are older and in more risk, less like to success with the IVF and therefore need more goes - which would be again expensive. You also need more tests and monitoring if while pregnant if you older - so I really do not see the point arguing against higher age limit.

I also agree with one comment earlier - if NHS willing to fund "life choice" injuries, why not IVF.

Mirella, Bicester says...
8:35pm Sun 19 Apr 09

the harsh comment was for Quentin.

someguyfromhereandthere, says...
8:55pm Sun 19 Apr 09

Mirella wrote:
that is bit harsh! Why would one be so against IVF for younger people if it's clearly the only option - and even if there might be a change to conceive naturally why should you wait until you are older and in more risk, less like to success with the IVF and therefore need more goes - which would be again expensive. You also need more tests and monitoring if while pregnant if you older - so I really do not see the point arguing against higher age limit. I also agree with one comment earlier - if NHS willing to fund "life choice" injuries, why not IVF.
Well put Mirella...

Discrimination is always wrong and can never be justified.

Sally73, banbury says...
10:45pm Sun 19 Apr 09

Being 36, i am waiting to have IVF it's our only chance of becoming parents. Wonder if the people who on the PCT have been through all the tests, heart ache and stress that you have to go through, maybe then they would change their minds.

maxsays, socorro says...
4:34am Mon 20 Apr 09

next they'll discriminate against eye color, hair color, height unbelievable.

letty1977, Kidlington says...
9:27am Mon 20 Apr 09

My husband and I were devastated when we learned we would need to wait three years for a funded cycle of IVF. When having a child has become your primary focus (which when battling infertility/ sub-fertility it inevitably does) 3 years is an excruciatingly long time to wait. I can only imagine how much worse it is for Richard and his wife. I'm not sure anyone has mentioned yet, but if you fund a cycle yourself then you are no longer eligible for the free cycle when you reach the correct age - as many people need more than one cycle, and as most are unlikely to be able to afford more than one if paying themselves, this punitive measure is just an insult on top of injury. Perhaps fertility is deprioritised because in most cases it is not life-threatening but walk a day in the shoes of an infertile couple and you will see what a depressing and frustrating place it is to be - with no cure or end in sight. I plead with the PCT to help mitigate this in a small way by bringing forward the age of eligibility or scrapping it altogether.

paulhastings, Leamington Spa says...
12:06pm Mon 20 Apr 09

it is about time things were changed.

paulhastings, Leamington Spa says...
12:07pm Mon 20 Apr 09

it is about time things were changed.

epwilliamson, Faringdon says...
12:44pm Mon 20 Apr 09

I think the IVF treatment should be available at a younger age. I would also like to see all PCTs offering the same level of treatment so putting an end to the postcode lottery.

angelapage, Nottingham says...
3:12pm Mon 20 Apr 09

We all pay our taxes and national insurance then we should all get the care from our own pct and not have postcodes as a lottery. If this couple are unfortuate not to be able to conceive in a natural way then IVF must be an option without the heartbreaking news that you 'live in the wrong area'. This must stop and everyone that pays their taxes should be given the medical care they need.

Lee Fowler, Banbury says...
3:43pm Mon 20 Apr 09

Myself and my wife both 28 require IVF treatment. We have been trying for a baby for around 5 years, After all the tests possible we were told a mistake had mean made and 1 year previous the wrong information had been passed to my GP.My heart was broken as I new I could not give my wife what we want. My wife works with children and I see the look in her eyes every day. Its sole destroying. There are 1000s of people in the same position all with different situations but they all hurt the same. We were told that a minimul cost would be around £7,000 and as much as i would pay anything to bring our child into this world, I just dont have that sort of money. If I lived just 30 miles away the treatment would be free on the NHS, why should where i or anyone else live determin our treatment options.
We all pay our tax and national insurance so we should all be intitled to the same treatment.

sally52370, Beenham says...
6:37pm Mon 20 Apr 09

Its so distressing to watch this post code lottery. Especially when I have a daughter and son inlaw that are a part of it. Whatever happened to equal rights. Its time we woke up and stopped treating all the foreigners for free and looked after those that have made contributions to this country

moshy29, Newbury says...
8:09pm Mon 20 Apr 09

When my husband and I were referred in 2004 for IVF the only criteria we fell short on was that I was too young (aged 31 at the time). We decided that if we waited to become eligible our chances of success could be lower and in addition the NHS could change their policy. Not to mention the emotional distress the desperation was causing us. We worked hard, saved hard and didn't take holidays or have other luxuries so that we could fund privately. After a failed cycle we were incredibly lucky to conceive our daughter via IVF at Oxford. We are now considering our 2nd and have been advised that even if we didn't have our daughter, I would now be too old as the age limits are being reviewed to 30-34!
I would like to point out to the person that said, why should the NHS fund IVF / people's desire to have children....well they fund enough for abortions and teenage pregnancies (unplanned / accidents), so why should they not fund to the couples who are in loving relationships who have tried to create a stable work/home life prior to planning children i.e. those that are in a position to provide for them without relying on the state/ taxpayer for handouts! And further back up Heluerto's comment. Even my GP has said she is utterly ashamed of how infertility is dealt with. Even after having had a child the pain of infertility never leaves you, so those who have not experienced it please think twice before leaving thoughtless comments.

melsoxford, Oxford says...
10:13pm Mon 20 Apr 09

connielarsen wrote:
maybe you should consider moving to a more family friendly part of the country? Good luck, just persevere and eventually your quest will be successful
My husband & I have good jobs, family and friends in Oxford. It seems unreal that we could receive the treatment we need to start a family if we lived elsewhere in the country - because I am fall outside Oxford's age restrictions. Sounds like discrimination to me!

rilmeg, banbury says...
10:32pm Mon 20 Apr 09

my son and daughter-in-law have been trying for a baby for six years having had all the usual tests and being told all was ok. some months ago my son was informed by his gp that the results recieved from oxford were incorrect and infact his sperm count was nil. they were both devastated and angry as you would imagine but then to be told that they do not fit the criteria in this county for ivf treatment was more than they could stand. my heart goes out to them both they would make such good parents but also i feel totally helpless knowing there is absolutely nothing i can do, i do not have the seven thousand pounds that they need and no way of getting it to help them. if i thought i could get away with robbing a bank i really believe i would try it. it is about time these so called post code loteries were dealt with once and for all.

EmmaBS, Oxford says...
5:14pm Tue 21 Apr 09

I just wanted to add my comments and support to this debate.

What we are seeking is not unreasonable: that Oxfordshire's Primary Care Trust follows the National Institute for Clinical Excellence guidelines set out in 2004 the same way other PCT areas do.

Why should one section of the UK's populace be restricted in their medical care that is clearly open to others simply based on where they live? If the NHS can fund these opportunities in other parts of the country, then it follows that every tax-paying UK citizen is entitled to an equal chance at treatment.

Especially, as i beleive has already been pointed out, when we live in one of the highest paying tax area's in the UK - with one of the lowest budgets PCT's - because we are deemed more 'healthy' effectively peanalising us for this!


The 'National' in National Health Service is there for a reason - the availability of, and access to, healthcare for every Briton, regardless of where in the country they live. And that most certainly IS a right, not a privilege.

old zimmer, says...
5:39am Wed 22 Apr 09

If anybody is discriminating against them then it has to be god who made 1 of the 2 infirtile. Why don't they stop whinging, work a bit harder, and pay for it themselves, as many people do for non emergency medical treatment.

Peat, Littlemore says...
10:51am Wed 22 Apr 09

I really don't want to come accross as insensitive, but since when has rearing a child been a right? If you can't concieve through natural means, surely thats that?

On the other side of the coin, i would like to see these obviously suitable parents have a chance, as the majority of the re-populating done in this country seems to be done by the most unsuitable people......

On the

EmmaBS, Oxford says...
11:19am Wed 22 Apr 09

I'm not going to respond to 'old Zimmers' comments because i find them offensive and ignorant. Old Zimmer has obviously completely misunderstood the debate.

Peat, Littlemore - maybe you should read my post above again. I'm not actually saying that rearing a child is a right.... what IS a right however, is to be treated equally to people who live in other areas of the UK.

Did you know that whilst other PCT's pay for people that live in other county's to have IVF treatment at the JR, they only pay for the treatment, the overheads are paid for by the taxes of people in Oxfordshire, and yet we can't get the same treatment? Do you really think that's fair?

Peat, Littlemore says...
11:25am Wed 22 Apr 09

EmmaBS - I wasnt refering to your post in particular. Just a general musing on my part.

I do agree that if it's available in other countys then it should be here too. It does afterall, fall under the NATIONAL health service.

EmmaH81, Leeds says...
11:02am Thu 23 Apr 09

Discriminating against this couple due to age is terrible. This couple are obviously in a stable and loving relationship and have been trying to conceive naturally with negative results.

It is terrible that due to their location that they can not receive IVF until they reach a certain age bracket. If they were to wait till the required age the chances of falling pregnant will be considerably less and could prove a waste of money on the NHS.

This needs to be looked into and changed so the same rules apply throughout the country but also lower the age.

Ellen, Bicester, Bicester says...
1:50pm Thu 23 Apr 09

I am waiting to start fertility treatment (just drugs for now, hopefully we won't need IVF, as I am unlikely to qualify!). I'm 38, and have had to delay treatment for a year while I lose weight. I had seen several doctors, specialists, consultants, even had minor surgery a few years back to find out the cause of my irregular cycles, but no-one could say what was causing them. Yet when I turned up at the JR last year, hoping to start on clomid, I was rejected for treatment because of my weight and told that this was the cause of all my problems! (BMI currently 36. I am otherwise healthy, bp and chol. levels all normal, and fairly fit).

If BMI is such a huge issue, why did none of the GPs mention it, why did the previous consultants never mention it? I have lost a year of treatment, which at 38 is a huge amount of time.

My heart goes out to anyone dealing with infertility and the apparently random, illogical, uncaring regulations the NHS use to prevent us from starting a family.

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