Council set to axe Christmas

Sabir Hussain Mirza is upset by the plan

Sabir Hussain Mirza is upset by the plan

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A plan to axe the word Christmas from this year’s city centre festive celebrations has been criticised by religious leaders.

Council chiefs have confirmed there will be no traditional Christ-mas light switch-on in Oxford this year, but instead revellers will be greeted with a 25-metre high mobile of lanterns in the shape of the solar system.

A city council spokesman confirmed this year’s event would be called the “Winter Light Festival” to include all religious denominations.

Shoppers on the streets of Oxford criticised the decision to cut out the word Christmas and called for a return to tradition.

There will also be no mention of the word Christmas in the reduced "festive lights" programme to be erected in the city.

The idea is the brainchild of the charity Oxford Inspires, which has been set up to promote culture in the county and increase participation in cultural events.

Councillors have claimed they are not “Christmas killers”, but the move has outraged religious leaders of all denominations in the city.

Sabir Hussain Mirza, chairman of the Muslim Council of Oxford, said: "I'm really upset about this. This is the one occasion which everyone looks forward to in the year. Christians, Muslims and other religions all look forward to Christmas.

"This is going to be a disaster. I'm angry and very, very disappointed.

"Christmas is special and we shouldn't ignore it. Christian people should be offended and 99 per cent of people will be against this. Christmas is part of being British and we shouldn't hide it away."

Rabbi Eli Bracknell, who teaches at the Jewish Educational Centre, in Cowley Road, said: "It's important to maintain a traditional British Christmas. Anything that waters down traditional culture and Christianity in the UK is not positive for the British identity.

"Winter includes all of these festivals but it also conceals them."

Reverend James Grote, of the John Bunyan Baptist Church, in Cowley, said: "People are not offended by hearing each other's faiths.

"Our religious community is diverse and each one should be expressed. You can only do that if you name the faiths represented."

Last year the city council came under criticism for asking Lord Mayor John Tanner to switch on the Christmas Lights and not stumping up cash for a celebrity.

This year it has decided to do away with the switch-on altogether and instead lights will be turned on automatically at the beginning of the Winter Light event as part of the unveiling of the new Bonn Square on Friday, November 28.

A giant mobile of the solar system will hang from a crane in Broad Street on that night and will be lit up by a pyrotechnic display of fireworks by performance arts company 'Walk the Plank'.

Oxford Inspires spokesman Tei WIlliams said: "The ceremony takes place on November 28. It's hardly Christmas if it's November.

“In Oxfordshire we have Winter Light which is a whole festival spanning two months. Within that festival will be Christmas Carol services."

Liz Gresham of Oxford Inspires added: "We changed the name to be more inclusive.

“We have Diwali at this time of year and Hannukah, so these are represented as well."

Deputy Leader of the council Ed Turner said: "We are not Christmas killers. Among councillors there's certainly no desire to downgrade the importance or the prominence given to Christmas. Several festivals take place at this time of year so this is a way of celebrating them all at the one time.

"There's going to be a Christmas tree and even if the lights are called something else to me they will be Christmas lights."

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8:10am Sat 1 Nov 08

beetle & wedge says...

Oxford DOESN'T inspire. Tei is the name of something from martial arts , not a human. Described as a Charity, one presumes this organisation staffed by stupid lefties ("inclusive " is one of their magical incantations) is actually paid for through the rates. You voters in Oxford, why do you keep voting for this carp? Put in a proper council next time , one that puts adequate provision of public lavatories before "diversity" and "inclusivity" and "fairness" and all the other words that have been spewed out incessantly since even before 1997
Oxford DOESN'T inspire. Tei is the name of something from martial arts , not a human. Described as a Charity, one presumes this organisation staffed by stupid lefties ("inclusive " is one of their magical incantations) is actually paid for through the rates. You voters in Oxford, why do you keep voting for this carp? Put in a proper council next time , one that puts adequate provision of public lavatories before "diversity" and "inclusivity" and "fairness" and all the other words that have been spewed out incessantly since even before 1997 beetle & wedge
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8:31am Sat 1 Nov 08

John David says...

Another nail in the coffin of British tradition. Who pays for "Oxford Inspire" and who authorized them to speak for me? Regardless of what they say, they ARE Christmas killers.
Another nail in the coffin of British tradition. Who pays for "Oxford Inspire" and who authorized them to speak for me? Regardless of what they say, they ARE Christmas killers. John David
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8:49am Sat 1 Nov 08

Zimmer says...

Lets face it, it is a Pagan festival that has been high-jacked by religion! But none the less to go 'over the top' PC on it is madness in the extreme! Do they not realise that this sort of thing is doing so much damage to race-relations in this country (or perhaps they do and they are looking to creat some sort of back lash!!!!).
Lets face it, it is a Pagan festival that has been high-jacked by religion! But none the less to go 'over the top' PC on it is madness in the extreme! Do they not realise that this sort of thing is doing so much damage to race-relations in this country (or perhaps they do and they are looking to creat some sort of back lash!!!!). Zimmer
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9:23am Sat 1 Nov 08

Quentin Walker says...

I suggest Oxford Inspires bring their website up to date before attempting to change society.
I suggest Oxford Inspires bring their website up to date before attempting to change society. Quentin Walker
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9:35am Sat 1 Nov 08

oxfordborn says...

I am delighted to see that many leaders of non christian faiths have spoken out against this ludicrous proposal. The people who claim to be acting in a way to be 'inclusive' are doing nothing more than providing reasons for the community to be resentful about differences.
As a former christian and now non believer can I still say, for god's sake somebody rid us of these wretched people who want to control our thinking?
I'm glad I won't be in Oxford to see the replacement farce.
I am delighted to see that many leaders of non christian faiths have spoken out against this ludicrous proposal. The people who claim to be acting in a way to be 'inclusive' are doing nothing more than providing reasons for the community to be resentful about differences. As a former christian and now non believer can I still say, for god's sake somebody rid us of these wretched people who want to control our thinking? I'm glad I won't be in Oxford to see the replacement farce. oxfordborn
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9:43am Sat 1 Nov 08

Victor Meldrew2 says...

Yet again the Council have decided to impose THIER view on everybody rather than the views of the people that elected them.
You are supposed to represent the electors wishes not treat Council as your own little power game,which is what you've done for sometime now.
Yet again the Council have decided to impose THIER view on everybody rather than the views of the people that elected them. You are supposed to represent the electors wishes not treat Council as your own little power game,which is what you've done for sometime now. Victor Meldrew2
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10:02am Sat 1 Nov 08

Welsh robbo says...

The Queen is Head of the Church of England and Oxford should be entitled to celebrate Christmas.

I expect other faiths to respect and tolerate Christianity - I do.

We live in a crazy society. On one hand, this insane initiative is proposed and then we have the polar extreme where that clown Jonathan Ross is able to harass poor Manuel and claim that he is amusing.

Oxford culture is odd anyway.

Der Robbo
The Queen is Head of the Church of England and Oxford should be entitled to celebrate Christmas. I expect other faiths to respect and tolerate Christianity - I do. We live in a crazy society. On one hand, this insane initiative is proposed and then we have the polar extreme where that clown Jonathan Ross is able to harass poor Manuel and claim that he is amusing. Oxford culture is odd anyway. Der Robbo Welsh robbo
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10:22am Sat 1 Nov 08

Zimmer says...

Hey, Victor my brother. The answer is to note the names of Councillors who vote for these ludicrous suggestions and make sure they don't get in at the next election or of course stand for Councillor yourself that would liven up the debating chamber. I might even join you myself!!!!!!!!!
Hey, Victor my brother. The answer is to note the names of Councillors who vote for these ludicrous suggestions and make sure they don't get in at the next election or of course stand for Councillor yourself that would liven up the debating chamber. I might even join you myself!!!!!!!!! Zimmer
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10:43am Sat 1 Nov 08

Welsh robbo says...

Better still, Zimmer, emigrate to Wales where the people are warmer, the girls are sexier and where we have Championship football and the most famous rugby club in the world (Cardiff have NEVER lost to Australia).

Take away the colleges and Oxford is a non-descript concrete-jungle with all the charm of a stool of doggy poo.

A bientot.

Der Robbo
Better still, Zimmer, emigrate to Wales where the people are warmer, the girls are sexier and where we have Championship football and the most famous rugby club in the world (Cardiff have NEVER lost to Australia). Take away the colleges and Oxford is a non-descript concrete-jungle with all the charm of a stool of doggy poo. A bientot. Der Robbo Welsh robbo
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10:45am Sat 1 Nov 08

DanOxford says...

Oxford Council must be run by extremely out of touch fools who do not even follow national politics elsewhere.

If they did, they would recognise that Birmingham Council's attempt to introduce 'Winterval' was a complete debacle and is held up to this day as a prominent example of 'Political Correctness Gone Mad'

Who ARE these (predominantly white middle class)Leftie Liberals who take it upon themselves to both insult, undermine and belittle the BRITISH CHRISTIAN MAJORITY while at the same time patronising and misrepresenting the views and desires of every MINORITY in this Country? Democracy means representing the views of the majority not ignoring them and ASSUMING the minority are 'offended' by their very existence in their own Country.

While I appreciate the comments of some 'moderate' Muslims on this issue, the fact remains that Islam is generally NOT a tolerant religion. Mulims can and are shunned and even killed for apostacy (leaving Islam), there are no churches in Saudi Arabia (despite them spending BILLIONS on promoting Islam in the West- including the Marston Road Islamic Centre) and in Afghanistan a young British female aid worker was murdered for 'spreading Christianity'.

Hand wringing do- gooder Politicallt Correct liberals who undermine Britian's previously strong history and traditions thus make the Islamification of Britain a step closer are turkey's voting for Christmas- sorry- for 'Winter light festival'.

Oxford is increasingly becoming not an inspiration but a warning of what NuLabour's failed doctrines of multiculturalism, open door immigration, political correctness, community breakdown and nannying officials result in.
Oxford Council must be run by extremely out of touch fools who do not even follow national politics elsewhere. If they did, they would recognise that Birmingham Council's attempt to introduce 'Winterval' was a complete debacle and is held up to this day as a prominent example of 'Political Correctness Gone Mad' Who ARE these (predominantly white middle class)Leftie Liberals who take it upon themselves to both insult, undermine and belittle the BRITISH CHRISTIAN MAJORITY while at the same time patronising and misrepresenting the views and desires of every MINORITY in this Country? Democracy means representing the views of the majority not ignoring them and ASSUMING the minority are 'offended' by their very existence in their own Country. While I appreciate the comments of some 'moderate' Muslims on this issue, the fact remains that Islam is generally NOT a tolerant religion. Mulims can and are shunned and even killed for apostacy (leaving Islam), there are no churches in Saudi Arabia (despite them spending BILLIONS on promoting Islam in the West- including the Marston Road Islamic Centre) and in Afghanistan a young British female aid worker was murdered for 'spreading Christianity'. Hand wringing do- gooder Politicallt Correct liberals who undermine Britian's previously strong history and traditions thus make the Islamification of Britain a step closer are turkey's voting for Christmas- sorry- for 'Winter light festival'. Oxford is increasingly becoming not an inspiration but a warning of what NuLabour's failed doctrines of multiculturalism, open door immigration, political correctness, community breakdown and nannying officials result in. DanOxford
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10:47am Sat 1 Nov 08

Concerned one says...

As an atheist friends from all different faiths wish me a happy Christmas and I wish them the same in return. Why should I or any others take offence? Christmas is Christmas and always will be, I hope everyone will write to their councillors and complain about this ludicrous decision.
As an atheist friends from all different faiths wish me a happy Christmas and I wish them the same in return. Why should I or any others take offence? Christmas is Christmas and always will be, I hope everyone will write to their councillors and complain about this ludicrous decision. Concerned one
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10:48am Sat 1 Nov 08

DanOxford says...

'There will also be no mention of the word Christmas in the reduced "festive lights" programme to be erected in the city.'

Would that include the Islamic crescent and star lights as displayed down the Cowley Road?

Last native out of here please turn off the lights...
'There will also be no mention of the word Christmas in the reduced "festive lights" programme to be erected in the city.' Would that include the Islamic crescent and star lights as displayed down the Cowley Road? Last native out of here please turn off the lights... DanOxford
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10:49am Sat 1 Nov 08

Quentin Walker says...

It's kickin' off!
It's kickin' off! Quentin Walker
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11:09am Sat 1 Nov 08

Godless says...

"The idea is the brainchild of the charity Oxford Inspires, which has been set up to promote culture in the county and increase participation in cultural events."
So, isn't Christmas a cultural event?
These clowns need to get a life. And stop messing up other peoples.
"The idea is the brainchild of the charity Oxford Inspires, which has been set up to promote culture in the county and increase participation in cultural events." So, isn't Christmas a cultural event? These clowns need to get a life. And stop messing up other peoples. Godless
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12:58pm Sat 1 Nov 08

jamiek says...

Do you like me think its too much of a coincidence that jesus was born at christmas time?
Do you like me think its too much of a coincidence that jesus was born at christmas time? jamiek
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1:37pm Sat 1 Nov 08

priest at large says...

Like many of the other writers I would like to know who gave the right to this obscure charity to speak on my behalf. This is a Christian country and we wish to celebrate it in the way in which we have done so for a very long time. How dare you tell us what we should do and to declare that Christmas should not be used. I am a Christian and pleased to see my Muslim brothers joining in the condemnation of this stupid and dangerous idea; this sort of thinking creates racial problems and should be stopped in its tracks.
Fr Brian Van-Dungey
Like many of the other writers I would like to know who gave the right to this obscure charity to speak on my behalf. This is a Christian country and we wish to celebrate it in the way in which we have done so for a very long time. How dare you tell us what we should do and to declare that Christmas should not be used. I am a Christian and pleased to see my Muslim brothers joining in the condemnation of this stupid and dangerous idea; this sort of thinking creates racial problems and should be stopped in its tracks. Fr Brian Van-Dungey priest at large
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2:07pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Brenda Pope says...

After reading the article in the Oxford Mail of the intentions to drop the celebration of Christmas along with its traditional lights, I along with my family are OUTRAGED at this decision! Who are they as a so called charity, to take this very important traditional religious festival away from us! We respect and have never had any problems with all other religious ceremonies, and as my husband works very closely with the asian community as part of his work, has never come across any criticism of how we as Christians celebrate our Christmas, In fact we exchange gifts and cards as much as any one else. Oxford Inspirations are going to cause a religious feud by their meddling. We as a family ( and I suspect thousands of others)are so angry, My advice to Oxford Inspirations is PLEASE dont represent Oxford in your ideas, as Oxford nor the surrounding areas want you to, and as far as Oxford City Council are concerned ... Stop aiding and abetting racial tensions by allowing & employing Oxford Inspirations to act on behalf of the Oxford people. A better way of spending your resources would have been to consult the people of Oxford first, then you would NOT have got this SO terribly WRONG! Also, I would like add that if this goes ahead, we will not be going to Oxford City to do our shopping as usual this year, as we feel Oxford will not have the same traditional air of celebration.
After reading the article in the Oxford Mail of the intentions to drop the celebration of Christmas along with its traditional lights, I along with my family are OUTRAGED at this decision! Who are they as a so called charity, to take this very important traditional religious festival away from us! We respect and have never had any problems with all other religious ceremonies, and as my husband works very closely with the asian community as part of his work, has never come across any criticism of how we as Christians celebrate our Christmas, In fact we exchange gifts and cards as much as any one else. Oxford Inspirations are going to cause a religious feud by their meddling. We as a family ( and I suspect thousands of others)are so angry, My advice to Oxford Inspirations is PLEASE dont represent Oxford in your ideas, as Oxford nor the surrounding areas want you to, and as far as Oxford City Council are concerned ... Stop aiding and abetting racial tensions by allowing & employing Oxford Inspirations to act on behalf of the Oxford people. A better way of spending your resources would have been to consult the people of Oxford first, then you would NOT have got this SO terribly WRONG! Also, I would like add that if this goes ahead, we will not be going to Oxford City to do our shopping as usual this year, as we feel Oxford will not have the same traditional air of celebration. Brenda Pope
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2:53pm Sat 1 Nov 08

bzazz says...

What an offensive decision, Ed Turner said 'we are not Christmas killers' well in that case lets be radical and call it CHRISTMAS lights festival. The directors of this so called charity are paid! and their main sponsors are listed on their web site, a few letters, e-mails and possibley the odd boycott may change a few smug views...
What an offensive decision, Ed Turner said 'we are not Christmas killers' well in that case lets be radical and call it CHRISTMAS lights festival. The directors of this so called charity are paid! and their main sponsors are listed on their web site, a few letters, e-mails and possibley the odd boycott may change a few smug views... bzazz
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3:12pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

DanOxford as usual is 100% correct in what he says.


I personally think we are heading to social conflict, which may even spill over into civil war.


I must say i am ready to fight to protect my way of life.


The traitors who sold out this country to those who seek to destroy it,will be held to account.
DanOxford as usual is 100% correct in what he says. I personally think we are heading to social conflict, which may even spill over into civil war. I must say i am ready to fight to protect my way of life. The traitors who sold out this country to those who seek to destroy it,will be held to account. Do not believe a word they tell you
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3:17pm Sat 1 Nov 08

RogerM says...

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't one have to be possessed of a brain to come up with a "brainchild"? The board and staff of Oxford Inspires don't seem to have half of one between the lot of them - unless of course their aim is to spread religious intolerance and cultural division, in which case I suppose I should offer congratulations on a job well done.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't one have to be possessed of a brain to come up with a "brainchild"? The board and staff of Oxford Inspires don't seem to have half of one between the lot of them - unless of course their aim is to spread religious intolerance and cultural division, in which case I suppose I should offer congratulations on a job well done. RogerM
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3:33pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Glad to be Batty says...

What a fantastic way to incite rascism. Well done to the Council! Who an earth do they have working there? Complete no brainers?
What a fantastic way to incite rascism. Well done to the Council! Who an earth do they have working there? Complete no brainers? Glad to be Batty
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3:52pm Sat 1 Nov 08

jockox3 says...

Oxford Inspires may indeed be a charity in legal form, but it is almost entirely funded so far as I am aware by public bodies - the county and district councils, the two universities and so on.

Their talk of it obviously not being Christmas because it's 28th November is purest sophistry. It demeans all faith for one faith to be subjugated in such a way. You can't make religion "inclusive" - that is just the way we are - we are mutually exclusive by nature and by belief!

We can celebrate each others' festivals and more importantly respect each others' wishes to celebrate our own festivals, but there isn't any hope of a merger any time soon, at least not to order from the Town Hall.

If they wanted to try to be inclusive they clearly needed to switch them on before Diwali last week anyway so it's not even superficially multi-faith/multi-cu
ltural.
Oxford Inspires may indeed be a charity in legal form, but it is almost entirely funded so far as I am aware by public bodies - the county and district councils, the two universities and so on. Their talk of it obviously not being Christmas because it's 28th November is purest sophistry. It demeans all faith for one faith to be subjugated in such a way. You can't make religion "inclusive" - that is just the way we are - we are mutually exclusive by nature and by belief! We can celebrate each others' festivals and more importantly respect each others' wishes to celebrate our own festivals, but there isn't any hope of a merger any time soon, at least not to order from the Town Hall. If they wanted to try to be inclusive they clearly needed to switch them on before Diwali last week anyway so it's not even superficially multi-faith/multi-cu ltural. jockox3
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4:21pm Sat 1 Nov 08

helem800 says...


Im wondering if there is no desire to downgrade christmas why are they then?
and he says "There's going to be a Christmas tree and even if the lights are called something else to me they will be Christmas lights."
So if they are still going to be christmas lights then why change the name?
I think these people just have too much time n their hands and need to do something. believe it or not we live in a cristian country and i have no problem with anyone celebrating their religion but i do have a problem when mine is being taken away!
The thing is this kind of stuff only stirs up trouble i dont get why jobs like these are given to people that clearly have no brain.
Why change what works and has always worked quite fine without being changed?
Im wondering if there is no desire to downgrade christmas why are they then? and he says "There's going to be a Christmas tree and even if the lights are called something else to me they will be Christmas lights." So if they are still going to be christmas lights then why change the name? I think these people just have too much time n their hands and need to do something. believe it or not we live in a cristian country and i have no problem with anyone celebrating their religion but i do have a problem when mine is being taken away! The thing is this kind of stuff only stirs up trouble i dont get why jobs like these are given to people that clearly have no brain. Why change what works and has always worked quite fine without being changed? helem800
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4:26pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

"Welsh robbo, Cardiff"

If Oxford is so bad why do you feel the need to spend your time on its local paper discussing (i use that term loosely) local issues?.

As for "Oxford culture is odd anyway.".

I remain unconvinced that somebody from Cardiff can know anything about culture......compare
d to Oxford that is.



"Welsh robbo, Cardiff" If Oxford is so bad why do you feel the need to spend your time on its local paper discussing (i use that term loosely) local issues?. As for "Oxford culture is odd anyway.". I remain unconvinced that somebody from Cardiff can know anything about culture......compare d to Oxford that is. Do not believe a word they tell you
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4:55pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Welsh robbo says...

I used to work in Oxford and I know how arrogant, supercilious, shallow, obnoxious and vitriolic the place can be.

You have simply reinforced the stereotype, boyo, with your pompous posturing.

Have you ever visited Cardiff, matey ? Thought not.
I used to work in Oxford and I know how arrogant, supercilious, shallow, obnoxious and vitriolic the place can be. You have simply reinforced the stereotype, boyo, with your pompous posturing. Have you ever visited Cardiff, matey ? Thought not. Welsh robbo
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4:58pm Sat 1 Nov 08

olfar says...

Looking at the membership of Oxford inspite,are they from the world as we know it.They seem intent in building barriers to verify their existence.Can they find anybody offended by christmas lights.??
Looking at the membership of Oxford inspite,are they from the world as we know it.They seem intent in building barriers to verify their existence.Can they find anybody offended by christmas lights.?? olfar
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5:03pm Sat 1 Nov 08

elgranpapa says...

I thought last Christmas was really sad with the pathetic display of lights in the city centre.The reason given then, or so they claimed was due to cost. The street decorations from previous years were too expensive to maintain and I am almost certain councillors comments then was 'next year will be better'. If this is what they see as being an improvement on last year they are sorely out of touch with public opion.This latest move by councillors to once again go over the top to be seen to politically correct is really beond the pale.

I do not want to offend anyone from other religions but this IS a CHRISTIAN country and Christmas is a major part of british life.
Religious leaders from other faiths do not have a problem with Christmas celebrations therefore how come councillors deem to have the right to change "Christmas" into "Winter"
Is this yet another cost cutting exercise that we have to put up with.
I like many others in this city hand over a lot of money to reside here and personally receive very little in return. Perhaps the public should be asked their opion before such drastic action is taken. It would appear the decision has already been taken and we "Joe Mugs" are expected to put up with yet again.
I think we as council tax payers should take what proportion we feel is adequate from our council tax bills untill this barmey lot come to their senses.
I thought last Christmas was really sad with the pathetic display of lights in the city centre.The reason given then, or so they claimed was due to cost. The street decorations from previous years were too expensive to maintain and I am almost certain councillors comments then was 'next year will be better'. If this is what they see as being an improvement on last year they are sorely out of touch with public opion.This latest move by councillors to once again go over the top to be seen to politically correct is really beond the pale. I do not want to offend anyone from other religions but this IS a CHRISTIAN country and Christmas is a major part of british life. Religious leaders from other faiths do not have a problem with Christmas celebrations therefore how come councillors deem to have the right to change "Christmas" into "Winter" Is this yet another cost cutting exercise that we have to put up with. I like many others in this city hand over a lot of money to reside here and personally receive very little in return. Perhaps the public should be asked their opion before such drastic action is taken. It would appear the decision has already been taken and we "Joe Mugs" are expected to put up with yet again. I think we as council tax payers should take what proportion we feel is adequate from our council tax bills untill this barmey lot come to their senses. elgranpapa
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5:07pm Sat 1 Nov 08

G. says...

aswell as leaving remarks on this forum, I hope those who feel so strongly about this issue, also take time out to e mail the council about this matter and pass their opinions directly to them.
aswell as leaving remarks on this forum, I hope those who feel so strongly about this issue, also take time out to e mail the council about this matter and pass their opinions directly to them. G.
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5:11pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Quentin Walker says...

What happened to democracy?
What happened to democracy? Quentin Walker
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5:11pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Welsh robbo says...

Do those morons at Oxford Inspires plan to sabotage Easter celebrations in Oxford too ?

Any suggestions for renaming Ascension Day ?

Corporates should withdraw all funding immediately and instruct the Board to focus on their day jobs.

Why is Oxford so up itself ?!
Do those morons at Oxford Inspires plan to sabotage Easter celebrations in Oxford too ? Any suggestions for renaming Ascension Day ? Corporates should withdraw all funding immediately and instruct the Board to focus on their day jobs. Why is Oxford so up itself ?! Welsh robbo
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5:14pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Quentin Walker says...

Oxford Inspires spokesman Tei WIlliams said: "The ceremony takes place on November 28. It's hardly Christmas if it's November.

“In Oxfordshire we have Winter Light which is a whole festival spanning two months. Within that festival will be Christmas Carol services."

Liz Gresham of Oxford Inspires added: "We changed the name to be more inclusive.

“We have Diwali at this time of year and Hannukah, so these are represented as well."

I presume Tei & Liz attended the Jonathan Ross School of Diplomacy
Oxford Inspires spokesman Tei WIlliams said: "The ceremony takes place on November 28. It's hardly Christmas if it's November. “In Oxfordshire we have Winter Light which is a whole festival spanning two months. Within that festival will be Christmas Carol services." Liz Gresham of Oxford Inspires added: "We changed the name to be more inclusive. “We have Diwali at this time of year and Hannukah, so these are represented as well." I presume Tei & Liz attended the Jonathan Ross School of Diplomacy Quentin Walker
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5:27pm Sat 1 Nov 08

j-perk24 says...

My family and i were outraged when we read this article. Christmas is the one time of year that everybody looks forward to, and a time of year for giving a receiving...NOT TAKING!
Who is this charity to dictate what the people of oxford want? Is it not clear that this farce should be stopped? Look at the reaction it's sparked from all religions! What's next? Are they going to ban christmas songs in the shops too???
Please bring back the CHRISTMAS LIGHTS & bring back the festive feeling for EVERYONE to enjoy.
My family and i were outraged when we read this article. Christmas is the one time of year that everybody looks forward to, and a time of year for giving a receiving...NOT TAKING! Who is this charity to dictate what the people of oxford want? Is it not clear that this farce should be stopped? Look at the reaction it's sparked from all religions! What's next? Are they going to ban christmas songs in the shops too??? Please bring back the CHRISTMAS LIGHTS & bring back the festive feeling for EVERYONE to enjoy. j-perk24
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5:38pm Sat 1 Nov 08

mael says...

does oxford inspire want to ban christmas altogether. how dare they insult this religous festival. it seems the council will have a (am i aloud to say christmas) tree with (christmas)lights on what hypocrits and skinflints they are. why bother with the tree or any lights at all as the ones they have had the last coulpe of years have been crap.lets all of us complain to the council as they will need our votes and then see what happens.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE OF OXFORD
does oxford inspire want to ban christmas altogether. how dare they insult this religous festival. it seems the council will have a (am i aloud to say christmas) tree with (christmas)lights on what hypocrits and skinflints they are. why bother with the tree or any lights at all as the ones they have had the last coulpe of years have been crap.lets all of us complain to the council as they will need our votes and then see what happens. POWER TO THE PEOPLE OF OXFORD mael
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5:59pm Sat 1 Nov 08

brianbbleys says...

I believe that the TVP should investigate this 'oxford inspires
' organisation for racial incitement, comments from these outsiders do nothing for harmony. it show what a load of tossers they are when they were employed to win the city of culture, having failed in their objective the city council should have the balls to end their contract there are other worthwhile projects to spend this money on. comon councillors do your job properly. we spend far to much on outside consultants now, it's about time the pigs were ordered from the trough
I believe that the TVP should investigate this 'oxford inspires ' organisation for racial incitement, comments from these outsiders do nothing for harmony. it show what a load of tossers they are when they were employed to win the city of culture, having failed in their objective the city council should have the balls to end their contract there are other worthwhile projects to spend this money on. comon councillors do your job properly. we spend far to much on outside consultants now, it's about time the pigs were ordered from the trough brianbbleys
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6:09pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Webwatcher says...

The above 33 comments say it all. NOT one comment in support of the the Oxford Inspires people. In their own little way Oxford Inspire is doing as much to detroy good inter religous relations as the extreme minority Muslem terrorists.
The above 33 comments say it all. NOT one comment in support of the the Oxford Inspires people. In their own little way Oxford Inspire is doing as much to detroy good inter religous relations as the extreme minority Muslem terrorists. Webwatcher
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6:12pm Sat 1 Nov 08

gingerman says...

I am absolutely sickened by the way this country is going. So many men & women have fought & died, and been martyred to preserve this unique nation, only for everything to be whittled away by overpaid civil servants, bit by bit... Now it seems it takes our non-native Britons to remind us of how completely pathetic our society has become! This country is one of the most tolerant in the world, & we should be proud of that - but after mixing with just about every culture you can think of, during my working life, I haven't met one person that thinks we should sacrifice any of our traditions just to be "inclusive". It's downright patronising if anything! Most people would admit that most of our Christmas traditions are pagan anyway; but the one thing that does remind us of the birth of Christ, the name "Christ-mas", and we abolish it... What a shallow, secular society we are becoming! You can bet your life we'll keep all the rest of the commercial tosh that remains of "Christmas" - You bet, there's money at stake! It's about time we took a leaf out of our non-Christian brother's & sister's books, & start respecting our own spiritual heritage.
I am absolutely sickened by the way this country is going. So many men & women have fought & died, and been martyred to preserve this unique nation, only for everything to be whittled away by overpaid civil servants, bit by bit... Now it seems it takes our non-native Britons to remind us of how completely pathetic our society has become! This country is one of the most tolerant in the world, & we should be proud of that - but after mixing with just about every culture you can think of, during my working life, I haven't met one person that thinks we should sacrifice any of our traditions just to be "inclusive". It's downright patronising if anything! Most people would admit that most of our Christmas traditions are pagan anyway; but the one thing that does remind us of the birth of Christ, the name "Christ-mas", and we abolish it... What a shallow, secular society we are becoming! You can bet your life we'll keep all the rest of the commercial tosh that remains of "Christmas" - You bet, there's money at stake! It's about time we took a leaf out of our non-Christian brother's & sister's books, & start respecting our own spiritual heritage. gingerman
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7:12pm Sat 1 Nov 08

WitnyMike says...

Another ludicrous idea from Oxford City. Please note my protest.
Another ludicrous idea from Oxford City. Please note my protest. WitnyMike
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7:49pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Welsh robbo says...

'Don't believe a word' is a classic track by Thin Lizzy , and so will the muppet entitled 'Do not believe a word they tell you' switch nicknames please ?

How about 'Pretty vacant' ?!

Or 'Paranoid' ?

Or 'The Great Pretender' ?

Come to Cardiff and articulate your drivel, boyo.

'Don't believe a word' is a classic track by Thin Lizzy , and so will the muppet entitled 'Do not believe a word they tell you' switch nicknames please ? How about 'Pretty vacant' ?! Or 'Paranoid' ? Or 'The Great Pretender' ? Come to Cardiff and articulate your drivel, boyo. Welsh robbo
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8:25pm Sat 1 Nov 08

chrisplin says...

I have travelled all over the world, including many Islamic countries, at this time of year and everywhere I have been there has been Christmas decorations and signs saying merry christmas. Why in the UK, a christian country I may add, do we insist on thinking that by celebrating a religious festival we are going to upset somebody? If I were in a non-christian country and I did not like them celebrating their festvals I would be told tough and have to get on with it. We should do exactly the same. I am getting sick and tired of this countries PC brigade.
I have travelled all over the world, including many Islamic countries, at this time of year and everywhere I have been there has been Christmas decorations and signs saying merry christmas. Why in the UK, a christian country I may add, do we insist on thinking that by celebrating a religious festival we are going to upset somebody? If I were in a non-christian country and I did not like them celebrating their festvals I would be told tough and have to get on with it. We should do exactly the same. I am getting sick and tired of this countries PC brigade. chrisplin
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8:35pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Jongo says...

Welsh Robbo: Visited Tiger Bay in the late 50's early 60's looking for that club that Shirley Bassey used to sing at. What a great multicultural place that was. I suppose its been satinised by the planners now. Now that was an area great for race relations before it was called PC.
Welsh Robbo: Visited Tiger Bay in the late 50's early 60's looking for that club that Shirley Bassey used to sing at. What a great multicultural place that was. I suppose its been satinised by the planners now. Now that was an area great for race relations before it was called PC. Jongo
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8:45pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Welsh robbo says...

Cardiff is a great cosmopolitan city.

The warmth of the welsh, irish and afro-caribbean communities makes Cardiff a unique capital city.

Developers change infrastructure, for better or worse, but the heart of the city is still pumping.

My memories of Oxford ?

Self-important , upper middle-class twits called Olivia and Harry stll reminiscing about the double-first they took at Wadham and obsessed with their 'image'.

And they don't like Christmas, the Scrooges.
Cardiff is a great cosmopolitan city. The warmth of the welsh, irish and afro-caribbean communities makes Cardiff a unique capital city. Developers change infrastructure, for better or worse, but the heart of the city is still pumping. My memories of Oxford ? Self-important , upper middle-class twits called Olivia and Harry stll reminiscing about the double-first they took at Wadham and obsessed with their 'image'. And they don't like Christmas, the Scrooges. Welsh robbo
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8:47pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Jongo says...

LOOK IT's ALL WELL AND GOOD HAVING A MOAN ON THESE PAGES BUT IT REALLY IS TIME THE TOWN HALL WAS FLOODED WITH COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS FROM ALL ETHNIC, RELIGIOUS AND NON RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. IT's TIME ED TURNER IS TREATED LIKE ' RUSSEL BRANT AND WOSSIE' AND BANNED FROM OFFICE AS FOR THOSE INVOLVED IN 'OXFORD INSPIRES' DRUM THEM OUT OF OFFICE AND THE CITY. WHAT A PITY THE STOCKS NON LONGER EXIST.
LOOK IT's ALL WELL AND GOOD HAVING A MOAN ON THESE PAGES BUT IT REALLY IS TIME THE TOWN HALL WAS FLOODED WITH COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS FROM ALL ETHNIC, RELIGIOUS AND NON RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. IT's TIME ED TURNER IS TREATED LIKE ' RUSSEL BRANT AND WOSSIE' AND BANNED FROM OFFICE AS FOR THOSE INVOLVED IN 'OXFORD INSPIRES' DRUM THEM OUT OF OFFICE AND THE CITY. WHAT A PITY THE STOCKS NON LONGER EXIST. Jongo
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9:38pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Terry Chandler says...

Not one post of support for this PC patronising rubbish, do you think they will take any notice? I won't be holding my breath. I'll be shopping in Reading this year, it's got a shopping centre.
Not one post of support for this PC patronising rubbish, do you think they will take any notice? I won't be holding my breath. I'll be shopping in Reading this year, it's got a shopping centre. Terry Chandler
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9:49pm Sat 1 Nov 08

DanOxford says...

http://www.oxfordins
pires.org/staff.html


What a surprise- all of 'Oxford Inspires' staff are 'arty' white women.

The sooner we rid the country of these publicly funded bodies of well- paid members of the meddling classes the better.

Just how much of our tax money goes on this sort of nonsense as advertised in the appointments section of 'The Guardian'?

NuLabour seem to have created no end of positions for people who have such weighty responsibilities in areas such as cultural diversity; community cohesion; making the arts more 'accessible'; monitoring enrichment; gender awareness training roles and all that other PC guff.

Recently the government suddenly found large pots of cash to give out to Muslim groups to 'prevent extremism'- including an exhibition showing 'Muslims in a positive light' in Birmigham and even a bung for Oxfordshire Muslims- despite there being 'no history' of Muslim extremism in the County.

While they're giving out free money I suggest any black readers ask for cash to prevent a resurgence of the Black Panthers; any whites to get a bid in to stop the KKK or Aryan Nation taking a foothold' and any Indians to suggest that a few quid might go a long way in halting the revival of the thuggee sect.

What is evident here is that (regardless of home culture, race or religion) WE DON'T WANT anyone messing around with our history, culture and traditions thank you very much, and these 'trendy' white meddlers in these wasteful organisations are very much out of touch with what both the majority and the various minorities in the Country want.
http://www.oxfordins pires.org/staff.html What a surprise- all of 'Oxford Inspires' staff are 'arty' white women. The sooner we rid the country of these publicly funded bodies of well- paid members of the meddling classes the better. Just how much of our tax money goes on this sort of nonsense as advertised in the appointments section of 'The Guardian'? NuLabour seem to have created no end of positions for people who have such weighty responsibilities in areas such as cultural diversity; community cohesion; making the arts more 'accessible'; monitoring enrichment; gender awareness training roles and all that other PC guff. Recently the government suddenly found large pots of cash to give out to Muslim groups to 'prevent extremism'- including an exhibition showing 'Muslims in a positive light' in Birmigham and even a bung for Oxfordshire Muslims- despite there being 'no history' of Muslim extremism in the County. While they're giving out free money I suggest any black readers ask for cash to prevent a resurgence of the Black Panthers; any whites to get a bid in to stop the KKK or Aryan Nation taking a foothold' and any Indians to suggest that a few quid might go a long way in halting the revival of the thuggee sect. What is evident here is that (regardless of home culture, race or religion) WE DON'T WANT anyone messing around with our history, culture and traditions thank you very much, and these 'trendy' white meddlers in these wasteful organisations are very much out of touch with what both the majority and the various minorities in the Country want. DanOxford
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10:27pm Sat 1 Nov 08

VoxPop says...

Our city has always been shamed by a small number of rascists. SAD TO SEE SO MANT OF THEM WRITING HERE! It is a great idea to have a fesitval for everybody.
Our city has always been shamed by a small number of rascists. SAD TO SEE SO MANT OF THEM WRITING HERE! It is a great idea to have a fesitval for everybody. VoxPop
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10:38pm Sat 1 Nov 08

oxford_bert says...

I know that Oxfordshire County Council staff have just had to do madatory tests in diversity. I'm sure diversity means including everyone - not excluding Christians, maybe the city council staff could do the same training.

More importantly, what have the Oxford traders got to say about this? Why would someone want to come "Christmas" shopping in Oxford when they can go to Milton Keynes, Cheltenham, Aylsebury etc where the local authorities always put on fantastic Christmas decorations and events. I think this is more about money saving than diversity to be honest. The City Council have been putting out the same cheap lights for the last 3 years - maybe they were too embarrassed this year?
I know that Oxfordshire County Council staff have just had to do madatory tests in diversity. I'm sure diversity means including everyone - not excluding Christians, maybe the city council staff could do the same training. More importantly, what have the Oxford traders got to say about this? Why would someone want to come "Christmas" shopping in Oxford when they can go to Milton Keynes, Cheltenham, Aylsebury etc where the local authorities always put on fantastic Christmas decorations and events. I think this is more about money saving than diversity to be honest. The City Council have been putting out the same cheap lights for the last 3 years - maybe they were too embarrassed this year? oxford_bert
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12:11am Sun 2 Nov 08

Brenda Pope says...

In reply to VoxPop message:

I dont think you are reading and understanding peoples comments .... Nobody is being 'Racist' here, in fact, completely the opposite. If you have nothing CONSTRUCTIVE to say, please keep your low gutter comments to yourself!
In reply to VoxPop message: I dont think you are reading and understanding peoples comments .... Nobody is being 'Racist' here, in fact, completely the opposite. If you have nothing CONSTRUCTIVE to say, please keep your low gutter comments to yourself! Brenda Pope
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5:24am Sun 2 Nov 08

making sense says...

Vox Pop, Sorry but you are a complete idiot. Christmas includes everyone. Regardless of race, religion, and colour. As for calling us all racist (Learn to spell) Grow up, and when you finish potty training, come back and make an intelligent comment
Vox Pop, Sorry but you are a complete idiot. Christmas includes everyone. Regardless of race, religion, and colour. As for calling us all racist (Learn to spell) Grow up, and when you finish potty training, come back and make an intelligent comment making sense
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8:43am Sun 2 Nov 08

beetle & wedge says...

don't worry too much about voxpop (to him it means the voice of the lefties, not the voice of the people)dear old rac-ism is the pre-eminent lefty incantation and the first dull lefty to use the words gains rachismo , yes even the living dead like Mr Justice McPherson
don't worry too much about voxpop (to him it means the voice of the lefties, not the voice of the people)dear old rac-ism is the pre-eminent lefty incantation and the first dull lefty to use the words gains rachismo , yes even the living dead like Mr Justice McPherson beetle & wedge
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9:12am Sun 2 Nov 08

Jo S says...

Oxford residents please write all this stuff to your Council and copy your letters/emails to your MP.

Next attacked will be Diwali, Eid, Hanukah...
Oxford residents please write all this stuff to your Council and copy your letters/emails to your MP. Next attacked will be Diwali, Eid, Hanukah... Jo S
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10:14am Sun 2 Nov 08

sarahofoxford says...

Here is the email address for Oxford Inspires

info@oxfordinspires.
org


They are disgusting and need to be told
Here is the email address for Oxford Inspires info@oxfordinspires. org They are disgusting and need to be told sarahofoxford
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10:22am Sun 2 Nov 08

brianbbleys says...

if you go onto the city council web page you can contact the council that way and leave comments also
if you go onto the city council web page you can contact the council that way and leave comments also brianbbleys
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11:30am Sun 2 Nov 08

Welsh robbo says...

Do Oxford Inspires have any suggestions for the celebration of St George's Day , or do they advocate conveniently ignoring it ?

Do they possess the 'moral courage' to outrage the Oxford irish community and shun St Patrick's Day ?

After all, we cannot fly the Union Jack and bellow 'Land of Hope and Glory' in case some sensitive citizens are offended .

Would they like to see the Six Nations Rugby scrapped because supporters are perceived as too partisan ?

No individual will EVER tell me how to think and act.
Do Oxford Inspires have any suggestions for the celebration of St George's Day , or do they advocate conveniently ignoring it ? Do they possess the 'moral courage' to outrage the Oxford irish community and shun St Patrick's Day ? After all, we cannot fly the Union Jack and bellow 'Land of Hope and Glory' in case some sensitive citizens are offended . Would they like to see the Six Nations Rugby scrapped because supporters are perceived as too partisan ? No individual will EVER tell me how to think and act. Welsh robbo
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11:50am Sun 2 Nov 08

VoxPop says...

making sense wrote:
Vox Pop, Sorry but you are a complete idiot. Christmas includes everyone. Regardless of race, religion, and colour. As for calling us all racist (Learn to spell) Grow up, and when you finish potty training, come back and make an intelligent comment
"making sense" Christmas is not for everone the clue is in the name it is for christians which does not include everyone regardless of religion does it!?!
[quote][p][bold]making sense[/bold] wrote: Vox Pop, Sorry but you are a complete idiot. Christmas includes everyone. Regardless of race, religion, and colour. As for calling us all racist (Learn to spell) Grow up, and when you finish potty training, come back and make an intelligent comment[/p][/quote]"making sense" Christmas is not for everone the clue is in the name it is for christians which does not include everyone regardless of religion does it!?! VoxPop
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11:53am Sun 2 Nov 08

VoxPop says...

beetle & wedge wrote:
don't worry too much about voxpop (to him it means the voice of the lefties, not the voice of the people)dear old rac-ism is the pre-eminent lefty incantation and the first dull lefty to use the words gains rachismo , yes even the living dead like Mr Justice McPherson
Translation plz.
[quote][p][bold]beetle & wedge[/bold] wrote: don't worry too much about voxpop (to him it means the voice of the lefties, not the voice of the people)dear old rac-ism is the pre-eminent lefty incantation and the first dull lefty to use the words gains rachismo , yes even the living dead like Mr Justice McPherson[/p][/quote]Translation plz. VoxPop
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11:55am Sun 2 Nov 08

VoxPop says...

Jo S wrote:
Oxford residents please write all this stuff to your Council and copy your letters/emails to your MP. Next attacked will be Diwali, Eid, Hanukah...
Jo S you appear to think Oxpford Council pays for street lights for Diwali, Eid and Hanukah. They don't!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jo S[/bold] wrote: Oxford residents please write all this stuff to your Council and copy your letters/emails to your MP. Next attacked will be Diwali, Eid, Hanukah...[/p][/quote]Jo S you appear to think Oxpford Council pays for street lights for Diwali, Eid and Hanukah. They don't!!! VoxPop
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12:15pm Sun 2 Nov 08

beetle & wedge says...

VoxPop wrote:
beetle & wedge wrote: don't worry too much about voxpop (to him it means the voice of the lefties, not the voice of the people)dear old rac-ism is the pre-eminent lefty incantation and the first dull lefty to use the words gains rachismo , yes even the living dead like Mr Justice McPherson
Translation plz.
OK. Loosely translated it means that you are a Stalinist, of the variety that Marx would have called a "useful idiot". You trot out words like "racism" which are completely meaningless and, sadly,you will never know enough to grasp even as simple a proposition as that. (Marx meant "stooges" in case you are wondering)
[quote][p][bold]VoxPop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beetle & wedge[/bold] wrote: don't worry too much about voxpop (to him it means the voice of the lefties, not the voice of the people)dear old rac-ism is the pre-eminent lefty incantation and the first dull lefty to use the words gains rachismo , yes even the living dead like Mr Justice McPherson[/p][/quote]Translation plz.[/p][/quote]OK. Loosely translated it means that you are a Stalinist, of the variety that Marx would have called a "useful idiot". You trot out words like "racism" which are completely meaningless and, sadly,you will never know enough to grasp even as simple a proposition as that. (Marx meant "stooges" in case you are wondering) beetle & wedge
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1:30pm Sun 2 Nov 08

VoxPop says...

Chippy stop clucking like a scalded chicken and slinging mud like "Stalinist" and "useful idiot". I am supporting the decision of a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED COUNCIL. If you think Oxfords council is a STALINIUST regnime you should read some history books or something.
Chippy stop clucking like a scalded chicken and slinging mud like "Stalinist" and "useful idiot". I am supporting the decision of a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED COUNCIL. If you think Oxfords council is a STALINIUST regnime you should read some history books or something. VoxPop
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1:40pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Terry Chandler says...

VoxPop wrote:
Jo S wrote: Oxford residents please write all this stuff to your Council and copy your letters/emails to your MP. Next attacked will be Diwali, Eid, Hanukah...
Jo S you appear to think Oxpford Council pays for street lights for Diwali, Eid and Hanukah. They don't!!!
No they don't we do, buut what has that got to do with anything?
[quote][p][bold]VoxPop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo S[/bold] wrote: Oxford residents please write all this stuff to your Council and copy your letters/emails to your MP. Next attacked will be Diwali, Eid, Hanukah...[/p][/quote]Jo S you appear to think Oxpford Council pays for street lights for Diwali, Eid and Hanukah. They don't!!![/p][/quote]No they don't we do, buut what has that got to do with anything? Terry Chandler
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1:49pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Brenda Jackson says...

Welsh robbo wrote:
Cardiff is a great cosmopolitan city. The warmth of the welsh, irish and afro-caribbean communities makes Cardiff a unique capital city. Developers change infrastructure, for better or worse, but the heart of the city is still pumping. My memories of Oxford ? Self-important , upper middle-class twits called Olivia and Harry stll reminiscing about the double-first they took at Wadham and obsessed with their 'image'. And they don't like Christmas, the Scrooges.
''My memories of Oxford ?

Self-important , upper middle-class twits called Olivia and Harry stll reminiscing about the double-first they took at Wadham and obsessed with their 'image''

If they are your only memories of Oxford then either you have 'selected memory' or are using the examples you have given to try to bolster your biased stereotypical views. There is a very small element of truth in your 'Hooray Henries' accusation, but i have lived in the City for decades and for you to suggest everyone are 'Upper middle-class twits' (Whatever Upper middle-class is) is completely obsurd and laughable. I have been to Cardiff many years ago, and if i were to paint everyone of the 'locals' i met with the same brush- it would not be a pretty picture. But some of us can see further than the end of our Probiscus.

[quote][p][bold]Welsh robbo[/bold] wrote: Cardiff is a great cosmopolitan city. The warmth of the welsh, irish and afro-caribbean communities makes Cardiff a unique capital city. Developers change infrastructure, for better or worse, but the heart of the city is still pumping. My memories of Oxford ? Self-important , upper middle-class twits called Olivia and Harry stll reminiscing about the double-first they took at Wadham and obsessed with their 'image'. And they don't like Christmas, the Scrooges. [/p][/quote]''My memories of Oxford ? Self-important , upper middle-class twits called Olivia and Harry stll reminiscing about the double-first they took at Wadham and obsessed with their 'image'' If they are your only memories of Oxford then either you have 'selected memory' or are using the examples you have given to try to bolster your biased stereotypical views. There is a very small element of truth in your 'Hooray Henries' accusation, but i have lived in the City for decades and for you to suggest everyone are 'Upper middle-class twits' (Whatever Upper middle-class is) is completely obsurd and laughable. I have been to Cardiff many years ago, and if i were to paint everyone of the 'locals' i met with the same brush- it would not be a pretty picture. But some of us can see further than the end of our Probiscus. Brenda Jackson
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2:35pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Peter Harbour says...

Oxford City Council has done something quite remarkable, their decision uniting all but one person among 60 comments. The sad thing for the Council is that the respondents are united AGAINST their decision.

If democracy works at all, residents of Oxford surely must tell their council to re-consider.

On a related subject, I ask whether the upset is mainly about loss of respect for our christian tradition, or about the insult to the "branding" of the "Christmas business"? I think probably only half the comments related to the former.

The Christmas brand, trotted out by the shops from October to January each year, has become a national, indeed an international sickness. We need a cure, but a "Winter Light Festival" is not the way to start.
Oxford City Council has done something quite remarkable, their decision uniting all but one person among 60 comments. The sad thing for the Council is that the respondents are united AGAINST their decision. If democracy works at all, residents of Oxford surely must tell their council to re-consider. On a related subject, I ask whether the upset is mainly about loss of respect for our christian tradition, or about the insult to the "branding" of the "Christmas business"? I think probably only half the comments related to the former. The Christmas brand, trotted out by the shops from October to January each year, has become a national, indeed an international sickness. We need a cure, but a "Winter Light Festival" is not the way to start. Peter Harbour
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2:42pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Hugo Syn says...

I do not live in Oxford, but have visited it and stayed on many occasions and found the city and its inhabitants to be charming. Needless to say, in an historical context it has played an important and, sometimes, a pivotal role in the timeline of our once proud Nation. I am, therefore, very encouraged to see 99% of the comments here attacking the proposals by your local council and the "charity", Oxford (Un)Inspires. With all the other things going on in our ancestral homeland in an attempt to wipe out English culture, I was beginning to wonder whether my fellow countrymen and women had lost the will to live and had just given up on trying to preserve our ancient traditions. Quite obviously, if the good people of Oxford are anything to go by, they haven't. Enough is enough, folks, we all need to start the fightback against these insidious attempts to suppress the English (and the Welsh, and the Scots, and the Irish) - this is our Country and we want it back! For too long the liberal fascists in power and their stooges like Oxford (Un)Inspires (a Common Purpose trained organisation, if ever there was one), have been trying to steal our hard-won birthright. Keep resisting these traitors and quislings and refuse to accept their politically driven diktats and tomorrow will belong to us NOT them!
I do not live in Oxford, but have visited it and stayed on many occasions and found the city and its inhabitants to be charming. Needless to say, in an historical context it has played an important and, sometimes, a pivotal role in the timeline of our once proud Nation. I am, therefore, very encouraged to see 99% of the comments here attacking the proposals by your local council and the "charity", Oxford (Un)Inspires. With all the other things going on in our ancestral homeland in an attempt to wipe out English culture, I was beginning to wonder whether my fellow countrymen and women had lost the will to live and had just given up on trying to preserve our ancient traditions. Quite obviously, if the good people of Oxford are anything to go by, they haven't. Enough is enough, folks, we all need to start the fightback against these insidious attempts to suppress the English (and the Welsh, and the Scots, and the Irish) - this is our Country and we want it back! For too long the liberal fascists in power and their stooges like Oxford (Un)Inspires (a Common Purpose trained organisation, if ever there was one), have been trying to steal our hard-won birthright. Keep resisting these traitors and quislings and refuse to accept their politically driven diktats and tomorrow will belong to us NOT them! Hugo Syn
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3:14pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

Welsh Robbo is a typical example of what you get when close relatives mate.

Sounds like you are the one with a problem, as you clearly have a problem with Oxford.

And by the way i have been to Cardiff several times (not through my own choice) and frankly it gets boring spending time in a town where everybody shares similar facial characteristics (again due to my first point i guess).

I also found that the Welsh are some of the most racist people on this Island.


"Cardiff is a cosmopolitan city"....What a joke....I guess it is in relation to living in the Valleys.....
Welsh Robbo is a typical example of what you get when close relatives mate. Sounds like you are the one with a problem, as you clearly have a problem with Oxford. And by the way i have been to Cardiff several times (not through my own choice) and frankly it gets boring spending time in a town where everybody shares similar facial characteristics (again due to my first point i guess). I also found that the Welsh are some of the most racist people on this Island. "Cardiff is a cosmopolitan city"....What a joke....I guess it is in relation to living in the Valleys..... Do not believe a word they tell you
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3:14pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Theman-Bob says...

That 'Oxford Inspiration' deems fit to speak on behalf of the residents of Oxford, without consultation on what is THE most important event in the Christian calender, is quite frankly, extremely presumptious.

Christmas is celebrated by Christians, Muslims and others, as well as non-believers alike. In particular, children see Christmas as a magical time of the year.

The word 'Christmas' (Pagan or otherwise) IS the noun which explains the celebrational period. If Oxford Inspiration (and Oxford City Council) wish to water down the core element of 'Christmas' by using such terminology as "Winter light Festival", it's NOT Christmas! ... Lets call it 'Celebration of 4th Season', for it means the same. And if the Council (or anyone else for that matter) wishes to combine the British way of celebration, lets get rid of Easter, Whitson, Christmas and call it 'World, sometime in the year Festivities' NO, Christmas is Christmas IS Christmas, and let's not be fooled into thinking that it is anything but Christmas. If those who wish to trivialise the basis of Christmas by calling it 'Winter light Festival' then they should leave it as such and put on, in addition THE Christmas Festival.If the city council cannot afford such a Christmas show, then cancel it, save the money, and let the business of Trade & Commerce take over, who I am sure will do the right thing and put on a Christmas celebration in the way which tradition expects, and do the City proud.

Councillor Sab Hussain Mizar, put the whole business into context, Christmas IS Christmas, not a Winter Light Festival, you can get that at the north pole!
That 'Oxford Inspiration' deems fit to speak on behalf of the residents of Oxford, without consultation on what is THE most important event in the Christian calender, is quite frankly, extremely presumptious. Christmas is celebrated by Christians, Muslims and others, as well as non-believers alike. In particular, children see Christmas as a magical time of the year. The word 'Christmas' (Pagan or otherwise) IS the noun which explains the celebrational period. If Oxford Inspiration (and Oxford City Council) wish to water down the core element of 'Christmas' by using such terminology as "Winter light Festival", it's NOT Christmas! ... Lets call it 'Celebration of 4th Season', for it means the same. And if the Council (or anyone else for that matter) wishes to combine the British way of celebration, lets get rid of Easter, Whitson, Christmas and call it 'World, sometime in the year Festivities' NO, Christmas is Christmas IS Christmas, and let's not be fooled into thinking that it is anything but Christmas. If those who wish to trivialise the basis of Christmas by calling it 'Winter light Festival' then they should leave it as such and put on, in addition THE Christmas Festival.If the city council cannot afford such a Christmas show, then cancel it, save the money, and let the business of Trade & Commerce take over, who I am sure will do the right thing and put on a Christmas celebration in the way which tradition expects, and do the City proud. Councillor Sab Hussain Mizar, put the whole business into context, Christmas IS Christmas, not a Winter Light Festival, you can get that at the north pole! Theman-Bob
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3:24pm Sun 2 Nov 08

etyndall says...

E Tyndall - Kidlington

Just so the Council are clear - the word Christmas means the birth of Christ. Why should we be told to drop the word Christmas, as we may offend people? We all have the right to celebrate Christmas and to have the word Christmas in our homes, schools, shops etc. The Council should try listening to the people in this Country, instead of talking for us.
E Tyndall - Kidlington Just so the Council are clear - the word Christmas means the birth of Christ. Why should we be told to drop the word Christmas, as we may offend people? We all have the right to celebrate Christmas and to have the word Christmas in our homes, schools, shops etc. The Council should try listening to the people in this Country, instead of talking for us. etyndall
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3:31pm Sun 2 Nov 08

VoxPop says...

etyndall wrote:
E Tyndall - Kidlington Just so the Council are clear - the word Christmas means the birth of Christ. Why should we be told to drop the word Christmas, as we may offend people? We all have the right to celebrate Christmas and to have the word Christmas in our homes, schools, shops etc. The Council should try listening to the people in this Country, instead of talking for us.
You're taking the ****, right??? You don't seriously think the Council had tried to stop anyone using the word Christmas (the second most important date in the christian calendar, btw)?
[quote][p][bold]etyndall[/bold] wrote: E Tyndall - Kidlington Just so the Council are clear - the word Christmas means the birth of Christ. Why should we be told to drop the word Christmas, as we may offend people? We all have the right to celebrate Christmas and to have the word Christmas in our homes, schools, shops etc. The Council should try listening to the people in this Country, instead of talking for us.[/p][/quote]You're taking the ****, right??? You don't seriously think the Council had tried to stop anyone using the word Christmas (the second most important date in the christian calendar, btw)? VoxPop
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3:33pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Brenda Pope says...

PLEASE people, Lets keep this very important issue to the matter in hand and NOT turn this into a personal playground fight!
PLEASE people, Lets keep this very important issue to the matter in hand and NOT turn this into a personal playground fight! Brenda Pope
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3:37pm Sun 2 Nov 08

beetle & wedge says...

VoxPop wrote:
Chippy stop clucking like a scalded chicken and slinging mud like "Stalinist" and "useful idiot". I am supporting the decision of a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED COUNCIL. If you think Oxfords council is a STALINIUST regnime you should read some history books or something.
Son, I wouldn't even know what Oxford Council is-Liberal Dumbocrats or Green slime. So I'm sure you're right. Don't forget your Damart thermals when they call for you and always remember, like most of the other people who've subscribed to this blog do remember, that the National Socialist party was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED- forgive the capitals but I guess when bloggers start using them it signifies the point at which they punch you if you're in the pub. I doubt anyway that most of the members of the City Council are as intersted in this subject as whether it will be jammy dodgers or plain chocolate wheatmeal at the next meeting
[quote][p][bold]VoxPop[/bold] wrote: Chippy stop clucking like a scalded chicken and slinging mud like "Stalinist" and "useful idiot". I am supporting the decision of a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED COUNCIL. If you think Oxfords council is a STALINIUST regnime you should read some history books or something. [/p][/quote]Son, I wouldn't even know what Oxford Council is-Liberal Dumbocrats or Green slime. So I'm sure you're right. Don't forget your Damart thermals when they call for you and always remember, like most of the other people who've subscribed to this blog do remember, that the National Socialist party was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED- forgive the capitals but I guess when bloggers start using them it signifies the point at which they punch you if you're in the pub. I doubt anyway that most of the members of the City Council are as intersted in this subject as whether it will be jammy dodgers or plain chocolate wheatmeal at the next meeting beetle & wedge
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3:56pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

These people are a bunch of terrorists.
These people are a bunch of terrorists. Do not believe a word they tell you
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4:05pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

info@oxfordinspires.
org


email them,i just have.
info@oxfordinspires. org email them,i just have. Do not believe a word they tell you
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4:18pm Sun 2 Nov 08

markmac says...

beetle&Wedge wrote:
"the National Socialist party was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED"
You might want to read up on Godwin's law.

beetle&Wedge wrote: "the National Socialist party was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED" You might want to read up on Godwin's law. markmac
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4:28pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

A message to these cotton wooled white liberal ladies who work for Oxford Inspires.....

Equality will never be achieved at the expence of the majority and THEIR traditions.

A message to these cotton wooled white liberal ladies who work for Oxford Inspires..... Equality will never be achieved at the expence of the majority and THEIR traditions. Do not believe a word they tell you
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4:46pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Quentin Walker says...

Quentin Walker wrote:
It's kickin' off!
I told you so.

This is the largest reaction to a news event on this site for a long time.
[quote][p][bold]Quentin Walker[/bold] wrote: It's kickin' off![/p][/quote]I told you so. This is the largest reaction to a news event on this site for a long time. Quentin Walker
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4:49pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

Quentin...ever feel you are talking to yourself?????.....jo
ke.
Quentin...ever feel you are talking to yourself?????.....jo ke. Do not believe a word they tell you
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4:56pm Sun 2 Nov 08

VoxPop says...

Its the level of screamng paranoia that would be funny if it wasn't disturbing: national socialism; fascist; "do not believe a word they tell you". A bunch of howling racists scared of the other dressing up their sad, medieval lives as defending something meaningful. The issue is how the council describe the lights in the centre of twon and when they turn them on. Nothing more, nothing less. The racists posting here are so looking for any excuse to attack anyone they don't like dressed up as defending "traditions". What's traditional about Christmas? Did Jesus eat a turkey while wearing red with ermine trimmings and admiring a plastic pine tree you munters!?1
Its the level of screamng paranoia that would be funny if it wasn't disturbing: national socialism; fascist; "do not believe a word they tell you". A bunch of howling racists scared of the other dressing up their sad, medieval lives as defending something meaningful. The issue is how the council describe the lights in the centre of twon and when they turn them on. Nothing more, nothing less. The racists posting here are so looking for any excuse to attack anyone they don't like dressed up as defending "traditions". What's traditional about Christmas? Did Jesus eat a turkey while wearing red with ermine trimmings and admiring a plastic pine tree you munters!?1 VoxPop
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4:57pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Welsh robbo says...

To Brenda Jackson

I have lived and worked all over the UK, and I did not form a positive impression of Oxford culture. I am scientific and objective in my approach to forming opinions.

To Do not believe a word they say

You are a disturbed individual and your statements made me laugh.

However, carry on with that vitriol and I will kick your bitchy little backside either via a Solicitor or by paying you a visit, boyo.

Oxford : I wouldn't send my ex-mother-in-law there.
To Brenda Jackson I have lived and worked all over the UK, and I did not form a positive impression of Oxford culture. I am scientific and objective in my approach to forming opinions. To Do not believe a word they say You are a disturbed individual and your statements made me laugh. However, carry on with that vitriol and I will kick your bitchy little backside either via a Solicitor or by paying you a visit, boyo. Oxford : I wouldn't send my ex-mother-in-law there. Welsh robbo
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5:08pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

Welsh Robbo seems to have changed his tune.Maybe he has had the operation to remove his foot from his ****.

As for threatening me with a "solicitor",i should think that threatening to assault me is a bit more serious in the eyes of the law than me poking a bit of fun at you and Cardiff (which you clearly cannot take in the manner it was intended).

So sit down knobhead and don't make me laugh.

I suggest you stick to your local paper instead of mocking Oxford locals.

I am off to build my panic room in anticipation of the assualt squad coming across the Severn bridge.....


Welsh Robbo seems to have changed his tune.Maybe he has had the operation to remove his foot from his ****. As for threatening me with a "solicitor",i should think that threatening to assault me is a bit more serious in the eyes of the law than me poking a bit of fun at you and Cardiff (which you clearly cannot take in the manner it was intended). So sit down knobhead and don't make me laugh. I suggest you stick to your local paper instead of mocking Oxford locals. I am off to build my panic room in anticipation of the assualt squad coming across the Severn bridge..... Do not believe a word they tell you
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5:14pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

VoxPop....

I am all for equality,what i am not in agreement with is taking away LOCAL peoples way of life (no matter the right or wrongs of where those traditions came from).

I am an immigrant myself so i guess that defuses you theory of me being a local racist.

Can you not see that we face a slow and uphill struggle for equality and **** off the locals will set everything back many years.

They may have meant well but this shows how naive they are.
VoxPop.... I am all for equality,what i am not in agreement with is taking away LOCAL peoples way of life (no matter the right or wrongs of where those traditions came from). I am an immigrant myself so i guess that defuses you theory of me being a local racist. Can you not see that we face a slow and uphill struggle for equality and **** off the locals will set everything back many years. They may have meant well but this shows how naive they are. Do not believe a word they tell you
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5:18pm Sun 2 Nov 08

VoxPop says...

Ok you are clearly a foriegn racist then!
Ok you are clearly a foriegn racist then! VoxPop
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5:19pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

Yawn....

you are boring me now.
Yawn.... you are boring me now. Do not believe a word they tell you
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5:24pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

I sometimes wonder if the vast majority of the population actually know(and indeed are capable of understanding) what the word "Racist" means?.

The reason i say this is,that it is a word which seems to be used as a piece of sandwich filler in peoples conversations.
I sometimes wonder if the vast majority of the population actually know(and indeed are capable of understanding) what the word "Racist" means?. The reason i say this is,that it is a word which seems to be used as a piece of sandwich filler in peoples conversations. Do not believe a word they tell you
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5:27pm Sun 2 Nov 08

VoxPop says...

It means ranting, raving and frothing in the mouth with paranoia 'cos your local council change the name of the town lights. Unless you've got a better explanation?
It means ranting, raving and frothing in the mouth with paranoia 'cos your local council change the name of the town lights. Unless you've got a better explanation? VoxPop
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5:28pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Brenda Jackson says...



'Scentific and objective in my approach to forming opinions' Geek.

But that's just my opinion of course - and although not very scientific, i'm being honest... Unlike yourself i suspect, your biased and polarized views are offensive and simply untrue. Chow.
[ Welsh robbo, Cardiff says... 4:57pm Sun 2 Nov 08 To Brenda Jackson I have lived and worked all over the UK, and I did not form a positive impression of Oxford culture. I am scientific and objective in my approach to forming opinions.] 'Scentific and objective in my approach to forming opinions' Geek. But that's just my opinion of course - and although not very scientific, i'm being honest... Unlike yourself i suspect, your biased and polarized views are offensive and simply untrue. Chow. Brenda Jackson
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5:28pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

VoxPop......
Thanks for the sandwich filler.
VoxPop...... Thanks for the sandwich filler. Do not believe a word they tell you
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5:32pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

On a serious note the Welsh are great people.

Welsh Robbo is not reflective of them i am happy to say.

p.s i am sitting in my panic room holding the AK to my chest.....
On a serious note the Welsh are great people. Welsh Robbo is not reflective of them i am happy to say. p.s i am sitting in my panic room holding the AK to my chest..... Do not believe a word they tell you
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5:35pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

VoxPop....

If it should not be such an issue then please travel to a muslim country and tell them to replace Eid with something like "equality festival".

Best of luck with that one.
VoxPop.... If it should not be such an issue then please travel to a muslim country and tell them to replace Eid with something like "equality festival". Best of luck with that one. Do not believe a word they tell you
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5:39pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

www.ilovewelshrobbo.
com
www.ilovewelshrobbo. com Do not believe a word they tell you
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5:40pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Welsh robbo says...

Do not believe a word

Are you a kiddy-fiddler ?

Did you experience a traumatic childhood ?

You are certainly unbalanced in some way.

You have all the social and inter-personal skills of an amoeba.

Take the M69 back to Noddyland, boyo.
Do not believe a word Are you a kiddy-fiddler ? Did you experience a traumatic childhood ? You are certainly unbalanced in some way. You have all the social and inter-personal skills of an amoeba. Take the M69 back to Noddyland, boyo. Welsh robbo
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5:54pm Sun 2 Nov 08

beetle & wedge says...

Where's Alan Page of Guildford? There must be a bourgeois around here somewhere.
I'm advised that Oxford City Council is Zanu PF and apologize for my previous ignorance.
Where's Alan Page of Guildford? There must be a bourgeois around here somewhere. I'm advised that Oxford City Council is Zanu PF and apologize for my previous ignorance. beetle & wedge
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5:55pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

"You have all the social and inter-personal skills of an amoeba."

Well robbo,may i remind you of your interpersonal skills?...

"Take away the colleges and Oxford is a non-descript concrete-jungle with all the charm of a stool of doggy poo."


I rest my case your honour.

"You have all the social and inter-personal skills of an amoeba." Well robbo,may i remind you of your interpersonal skills?... "Take away the colleges and Oxford is a non-descript concrete-jungle with all the charm of a stool of doggy poo." I rest my case your honour. Do not believe a word they tell you
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5:56pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

Jesus would be very upset if he knew about this.
Jesus would be very upset if he knew about this. Do not believe a word they tell you
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6:16pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

beetle & wedge wrote:
Where's Alan Page of Guildford? There must be a bourgeois around here somewhere. I'm advised that Oxford City Council is Zanu PF and apologize for my previous ignorance.
I suspect he is in America helping Obama to win the election there.
[quote][p][bold]beetle & wedge[/bold] wrote: Where's Alan Page of Guildford? There must be a bourgeois around here somewhere. I'm advised that Oxford City Council is Zanu PF and apologize for my previous ignorance.[/p][/quote]I suspect he is in America helping Obama to win the election there. Do not believe a word they tell you
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6:40pm Sun 2 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

I forgive you Robbo for treatening to assault me and suggesting that i am a paedophile.You are welcome at my house any time.I will even show you around Oxford so you can see what it is really like.

We are all gods children.
I forgive you Robbo for treatening to assault me and suggesting that i am a paedophile.You are welcome at my house any time.I will even show you around Oxford so you can see what it is really like. We are all gods children. Do not believe a word they tell you
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9:54pm Sun 2 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

They told me house prices would always go up!
They told me house prices would always go up! I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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9:59pm Sun 2 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

"I must say i am ready to fight to protect my way of life."

You mean those traditional British past times like eating Big Macs, drinking fancy foreign beers, eating kebabs, watching foreign Premiership stars on Japanese TV's, driving German cars, taping Friends, laughing at Jim Carrey, etc etc. I wonder what exactly is traditionally British about your 'way of life'?
"I must say i am ready to fight to protect my way of life." You mean those traditional British past times like eating Big Macs, drinking fancy foreign beers, eating kebabs, watching foreign Premiership stars on Japanese TV's, driving German cars, taping Friends, laughing at Jim Carrey, etc etc. I wonder what exactly is traditionally British about your 'way of life'? I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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10:08pm Sun 2 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

So there are Christmas Carols and a Christmas Tree right? The local council decide that as those locals that pay money to it are from all/none religious denominations then their money should be spent on some lights that cover a range of people's belief's over a two month period right? And the Christians still get a tree and some carols and a few days off work and the opportunity to buy hundreds of pounds worth of Japanese and American goods in the shops and the chance to get obliterated on Budweiser or Stella right? So can someone please explain to me what the crime here is then?
So there are Christmas Carols and a Christmas Tree right? The local council decide that as those locals that pay money to it are from all/none religious denominations then their money should be spent on some lights that cover a range of people's belief's over a two month period right? And the Christians still get a tree and some carols and a few days off work and the opportunity to buy hundreds of pounds worth of Japanese and American goods in the shops and the chance to get obliterated on Budweiser or Stella right? So can someone please explain to me what the crime here is then? I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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8:16am Mon 3 Nov 08

Zimmer says...

Think you need to go to bed earlier 10.08pm, far too late for you to be trying to use what little grey matter you have endowed with!!!!!!
Think you need to go to bed earlier 10.08pm, far too late for you to be trying to use what little grey matter you have endowed with!!!!!! Zimmer
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10:32am Mon 3 Nov 08

rkw1 says...

This is sensationalist journalism and is a misinterpretation of the facts. The Oxford Inspires website clearly makes the link between this festival and Christmas: "The WinterLight programme illuminates the midwinter night with fire...in tandem with traditional Christmas celebrations from November onwards."
This is sensationalist journalism and is a misinterpretation of the facts. The Oxford Inspires website clearly makes the link between this festival and Christmas: "The WinterLight programme illuminates the midwinter night with fire...in tandem with traditional Christmas celebrations from November onwards." rkw1
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10:32am Mon 3 Nov 08

MadleyResident says...

I cannot believe the level of vitriolic comments on this site.
It simply detracts from any arguments that people make.
I am pleased to see that leaders of non-christian faiths are voicing their opposition to this decision.
I fail to understand how being opposed to this decision makes me a racist.
However, what never ceases to amaze me is that the people who suggest these things do not realise that it provides ammunition for the racists in our Society.
An action that they think promotes "inclusivity" does exactly the opposite by offending just about everybody!
I cannot believe the level of vitriolic comments on this site. It simply detracts from any arguments that people make. I am pleased to see that leaders of non-christian faiths are voicing their opposition to this decision. I fail to understand how being opposed to this decision makes me a racist. However, what never ceases to amaze me is that the people who suggest these things do not realise that it provides ammunition for the racists in our Society. An action that they think promotes "inclusivity" does exactly the opposite by offending just about everybody! MadleyResident
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12:20pm Mon 3 Nov 08

james says...

It would be nice for people to view their thoughts on the subject clearly
It would be nice for people to view their thoughts on the subject clearly james
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12:48pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Charlie Jarrett says...

Oxford Inspires have decided to create a new holiday season instead of Christmas – which celebrates Lights and other religions. The Hindu and Sikh Diwali celebrations started on 28th October – so their own party seems a little late.

I am outraged that they have been allowed to upset everyone by this unilateral idiocy. Santa Claus, Christmas trees, lights, music and partying are universal to all citizens of the UK and it is not a Christian celebration – very sadly.

To be inclusive – just let each of us celebrate our own religion and stop this oppressive, offensive, divisive and insulting behaviour.

There is Christmas and there’s Christ’s Mass – and then there’s this misguided Mess!

Charlie Jarrett, Kidlington
Oxford Inspires have decided to create a new holiday season instead of Christmas – which celebrates Lights and other religions. The Hindu and Sikh Diwali celebrations started on 28th October – so their own party seems a little late. I am outraged that they have been allowed to upset everyone by this unilateral idiocy. Santa Claus, Christmas trees, lights, music and partying are universal to all citizens of the UK and it is not a Christian celebration – very sadly. To be inclusive – just let each of us celebrate our own religion and stop this oppressive, offensive, divisive and insulting behaviour. There is Christmas and there’s Christ’s Mass – and then there’s this misguided Mess! Charlie Jarrett, Kidlington Charlie Jarrett
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1:25pm Mon 3 Nov 08

sarsie says...

Absolutely disgusted by this. As far as I am aware we pay for this bunch of clowns to run the city and how dare they decide what we can and can't celebrate. We pay - it's our city - WE decide. It's time to all get together and remind the council that they are elected by us and should get on with their jobs and stop trying to break down all our traditions and history.
Absolutely disgusted by this. As far as I am aware we pay for this bunch of clowns to run the city and how dare they decide what we can and can't celebrate. We pay - it's our city - WE decide. It's time to all get together and remind the council that they are elected by us and should get on with their jobs and stop trying to break down all our traditions and history. sarsie
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2:15pm Mon 3 Nov 08

not common purpose says...

I think that the morons of Oxford Inspires should all be sacked and the winter lanterns shoved where the sun doesn't shine!
Maybe next year they will remember that Christmas is for Christians!
I think that the morons of Oxford Inspires should all be sacked and the winter lanterns shoved where the sun doesn't shine! Maybe next year they will remember that Christmas is for Christians! not common purpose
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4:41pm Mon 3 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

sarsie wrote:
Absolutely disgusted by this. As far as I am aware we pay for this bunch of clowns to run the city and how dare they decide what we can and can't celebrate. We pay - it's our city - WE decide. It's time to all get together and remind the council that they are elected by us and should get on with their jobs and stop trying to break down all our traditions and history.
You are right, people do pay for this including Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Hndu, Buddhist etc. If you want to decide what the council does then become a councillor and then you can impose only your belief on all of us as you seem to be advocating this. There is no tradition of a two month festival starting in November so what are you talking about? This festival has Christmas Trees in it and Christmas Carols (it's on Inspires website!)so what exactly do you think is up with it? The wording of the newspaper report would be my guess.
[quote][p][bold]sarsie[/bold] wrote: Absolutely disgusted by this. As far as I am aware we pay for this bunch of clowns to run the city and how dare they decide what we can and can't celebrate. We pay - it's our city - WE decide. It's time to all get together and remind the council that they are elected by us and should get on with their jobs and stop trying to break down all our traditions and history.[/p][/quote]You are right, people do pay for this including Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Hndu, Buddhist etc. If you want to decide what the council does then become a councillor and then you can impose only your belief on all of us as you seem to be advocating this. There is no tradition of a two month festival starting in November so what are you talking about? This festival has Christmas Trees in it and Christmas Carols (it's on Inspires website!)so what exactly do you think is up with it? The wording of the newspaper report would be my guess. I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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4:41pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Brenda Pope says...

Myself and I expect many of you who have emailed the Oxford City Council on this subject have received an email in reply. Those interested should visit:
http://www.oxford.go
v.uk/news/news.cfm/c
ontainer/current/pag
enum/1/item/3065

My reply email to Oxford City Council and Cllr Bob Price:

"We have read what you said and propose you re-arrange 'Winter Lights Festival' not to coincide with ANY of the traditional and religious festivals that happen around this time of year. We are sure that people like ourselves would much more want and appreciate this kind of event to come maybe after Christmas and other religious events, so as not to take away
or over shadow what is really important. This time of year (and the run up to Christmas including November) is an extremely busy, and in some cases a very stressful time, and maybe to have something to focus on like 'Winter Lights Festival' would be better suited to a time in January, when nights
are 'still dark' and people can relax, enjoy and probably welcome such an event.

May we remind you that 'Winter Lights Festival' is NOT an historical event,and should therefore take it's place in our annual calendar so as not to
further upset and put pressure on peoples lives. We are sure all involved have had good intentions in putting on such an event, but you have got the timing SO terribly wrong. Please, please listen to what people are saying.

We will continue to campaign this very important issue as long as it takes until it is resolved"

Please people lets get our voices heard!!!!



Myself and I expect many of you who have emailed the Oxford City Council on this subject have received an email in reply. Those interested should visit: http://www.oxford.go v.uk/news/news.cfm/c ontainer/current/pag enum/1/item/3065 My reply email to Oxford City Council and Cllr Bob Price: "We have read what you said and propose you re-arrange 'Winter Lights Festival' not to coincide with ANY of the traditional and religious festivals that happen around this time of year. We are sure that people like ourselves would much more want and appreciate this kind of event to come maybe after Christmas and other religious events, so as not to take away or over shadow what is really important. This time of year (and the run up to Christmas including November) is an extremely busy, and in some cases a very stressful time, and maybe to have something to focus on like 'Winter Lights Festival' would be better suited to a time in January, when nights are 'still dark' and people can relax, enjoy and probably welcome such an event. May we remind you that 'Winter Lights Festival' is NOT an historical event,and should therefore take it's place in our annual calendar so as not to further upset and put pressure on peoples lives. We are sure all involved have had good intentions in putting on such an event, but you have got the timing SO terribly wrong. Please, please listen to what people are saying. We will continue to campaign this very important issue as long as it takes until it is resolved" Please people lets get our voices heard!!!! Brenda Pope
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4:43pm Mon 3 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

Brenda Pope, so you think what's really important about Christmas that this festival will get in the way of is basically shopping. Wonderful sense of tradition you have.
Brenda Pope, so you think what's really important about Christmas that this festival will get in the way of is basically shopping. Wonderful sense of tradition you have. I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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4:46pm Mon 3 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

not common purpose wrote:
I think that the morons of Oxford Inspires should all be sacked and the winter lanterns shoved where the sun doesn't shine!
Maybe next year they will remember that Christmas is for Christians!
A very Christian attitude I must say
[quote][p][bold]not common purpose[/bold] wrote: I think that the morons of Oxford Inspires should all be sacked and the winter lanterns shoved where the sun doesn't shine! Maybe next year they will remember that Christmas is for Christians![/p][/quote]A very Christian attitude I must say I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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4:46pm Mon 3 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

not common purpose wrote:
I think that the morons of Oxford Inspires should all be sacked and the winter lanterns shoved where the sun doesn't shine!
Maybe next year they will remember that Christmas is for Christians!
A very Christian attitude I must say
[quote][p][bold]not common purpose[/bold] wrote: I think that the morons of Oxford Inspires should all be sacked and the winter lanterns shoved where the sun doesn't shine! Maybe next year they will remember that Christmas is for Christians![/p][/quote]A very Christian attitude I must say I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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4:48pm Mon 3 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

Zimmer wrote:
Think you need to go to bed earlier 10.08pm, far too late for you to be trying to use what little grey matter you have endowed with!!!!!!
I have enough to be able to use my own language well but thanks for the advice.
[quote][p][bold]Zimmer[/bold] wrote: Think you need to go to bed earlier 10.08pm, far too late for you to be trying to use what little grey matter you have endowed with!!!!!![/p][/quote]I have enough to be able to use my own language well but thanks for the advice. I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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4:54pm Mon 3 Nov 08

DanOxford says...

'Racism' traditionally meant discriminating AGAINST someone due to their race- which is clearly wrong.

NuLabour and PC obsessed finger- wagers have tried to expand this to include 'the belief that people are DIFFERENT according to their race’, which they clearly ARE.

How much of this is down to genetics and how much to culture/ religion/ family life is debateable, but I suspect would reveal that much IS genetic- as with the inherent differences between boys and girls that ‘progressive’ Lefties tried to disregard with disastrous results in education and family life.

Worse still, NuLabour’s Thought Crimes Unit define a ‘racist incident’ as: ‘any incident which is perceived by the victim OR ANY OTHER PERSON as racist. So, if I say to a little old lady: ‘That’s a lovely cardigan you’re wearing’ some uninformed hysterical nutter can accuse me of racially abusing her! If an incident is racially aggravated, the sentence is doubled, so clearly it’s twice as bad to assault or murder someone for being black, white or purple than if you do so because they are wearing slip on shoes or ‘looked at you funny’.

Crying ‘Racist!’ at people you disagree with is a Leftist tactic called ‘closing down the argument’- most people abhor true racism (. the discriminatory kind) so labelling someone a racist instantly invalidates any point they may have had. Unfortunately, the term is now so over- used that it undermines attacks on REAL racism and is increasingly seen as the cheap, shoddy tactic of avoiding any valid counter argument by attacking the opponent, not the argument, that it is.

The British are traditionally fair, liberal and tolerant. Unfortunately, in recent years this has been abused by people crossing perfectly safe Countries to reside here due to our generosity; by people scamming our benefits, immigration and employment systems and by ‘nanny knows best’ politicians ignoring the majority on issue such as increased EU powers, population levels, immigration policy and national identity.

A further group are those from abroad who, rather than enjoy the freedom and tolerance they came to Britain for, insist on trying to undermine (with government complicity) the British way of life by refusing to learn the language or integrate; by insisting on separate schooling; by wishing to be judged under non- British law; by claiming that homophobic, misogynistic, barbaric or racist practices are ‘part of their culture’ and thus beyond judgement or challenge.

I can understand why someone from the Third World would try to get to the UK, or a Muslim to impose an Islamic Caliphate, or, as happened locally, a foreign landlord would wish to bring his extended family in and charge us all through Social Services to house them all and pay him to do so, but what dismays me is that the government and organisations such as ‘Oxford (Un)inspires’ should do so much to help them achieve their aims, while ignoring or branding as ‘racist’ the 90% white British MAJORITY in this Country.

Perhaps they suffer from post colonial guilt and self- hate that makes them ashamed of their own Country, history, culture, traditions and even race- the PC lobby does seem overwhelmingly white, middle- class and affluent- but I don’t share this feeling and you’d be hard pressed to find any other Country, race, religion or culture who do.

I cannot imagine similar bodies of hand- wringers from Iran to Somalia to India to Saudi Arabia worrying that celebrating national religious holidays may ‘offend’ or ‘exclude’ anyone- why does it happen with such depressing regularity here?
'Racism' traditionally meant discriminating AGAINST someone due to their race- which is clearly wrong. NuLabour and PC obsessed finger- wagers have tried to expand this to include 'the belief that people are DIFFERENT according to their race’, which they clearly ARE. How much of this is down to genetics and how much to culture/ religion/ family life is debateable, but I suspect would reveal that much IS genetic- as with the inherent differences between boys and girls that ‘progressive’ Lefties tried to disregard with disastrous results in education and family life. Worse still, NuLabour’s Thought Crimes Unit define a ‘racist incident’ as: ‘any incident which is perceived by the victim OR ANY OTHER PERSON as racist. So, if I say to a little old lady: ‘That’s a lovely cardigan you’re wearing’ some uninformed hysterical nutter can accuse me of racially abusing her! If an incident is racially aggravated, the sentence is doubled, so clearly it’s twice as bad to assault or murder someone for being black, white or purple than if you do so because they are wearing slip on shoes or ‘looked at you funny’. Crying ‘Racist!’ at people you disagree with is a Leftist tactic called ‘closing down the argument’- most people abhor true racism (. the discriminatory kind) so labelling someone a racist instantly invalidates any point they may have had. Unfortunately, the term is now so over- used that it undermines attacks on REAL racism and is increasingly seen as the cheap, shoddy tactic of avoiding any valid counter argument by attacking the opponent, not the argument, that it is. The British are traditionally fair, liberal and tolerant. Unfortunately, in recent years this has been abused by people crossing perfectly safe Countries to reside here due to our generosity; by people scamming our benefits, immigration and employment systems and by ‘nanny knows best’ politicians ignoring the majority on issue such as increased EU powers, population levels, immigration policy and national identity. A further group are those from abroad who, rather than enjoy the freedom and tolerance they came to Britain for, insist on trying to undermine (with government complicity) the British way of life by refusing to learn the language or integrate; by insisting on separate schooling; by wishing to be judged under non- British law; by claiming that homophobic, misogynistic, barbaric or racist practices are ‘part of their culture’ and thus beyond judgement or challenge. I can understand why someone from the Third World would try to get to the UK, or a Muslim to impose an Islamic Caliphate, or, as happened locally, a foreign landlord would wish to bring his extended family in and charge us all through Social Services to house them all and pay him to do so, but what dismays me is that the government and organisations such as ‘Oxford (Un)inspires’ should do so much to help them achieve their aims, while ignoring or branding as ‘racist’ the 90% white British MAJORITY in this Country. Perhaps they suffer from post colonial guilt and self- hate that makes them ashamed of their own Country, history, culture, traditions and even race- the PC lobby does seem overwhelmingly white, middle- class and affluent- but I don’t share this feeling and you’d be hard pressed to find any other Country, race, religion or culture who do. I cannot imagine similar bodies of hand- wringers from Iran to Somalia to India to Saudi Arabia worrying that celebrating national religious holidays may ‘offend’ or ‘exclude’ anyone- why does it happen with such depressing regularity here? DanOxford
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4:56pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Brenda Pope says...

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers wrote:
Brenda Pope, so you think what's really important about Christmas that this festival will get in the way of is basically shopping. Wonderful sense of tradition you have.
You obviously have no place here to be a part of this issue, so stop trying to intimidate people by your stupid 'quotes' go away and join a chat forum somewhere on the web that is more suited to your mentality! I will not respond any further to your STUPID comments to sensible peoples comments ..... I recommend others ignore him as I will from now on.
[quote][p][bold]I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers[/bold] wrote: Brenda Pope, so you think what's really important about Christmas that this festival will get in the way of is basically shopping. Wonderful sense of tradition you have.[/p][/quote]You obviously have no place here to be a part of this issue, so stop trying to intimidate people by your stupid 'quotes' go away and join a chat forum somewhere on the web that is more suited to your mentality! I will not respond any further to your STUPID comments to sensible peoples comments ..... I recommend others ignore him as I will from now on. Brenda Pope
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5:43pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

"I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers"

I suspect this sad individual has never experienced the magic and love of christmas.


"I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers" I suspect this sad individual has never experienced the magic and love of christmas. Do not believe a word they tell you
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6:00pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

DanOxford as usual i agree with you and i challenge anybody in a sane state of mind to disagree.

I am an immigrant from a country that suffered very badly under the British empire,however i feel that todays Britain cannot be held responsible for what their ancestors did.

Understanding and forgiveness is free,looking for anything else is just trying to bring down this great country.
DanOxford as usual i agree with you and i challenge anybody in a sane state of mind to disagree. I am an immigrant from a country that suffered very badly under the British empire,however i feel that todays Britain cannot be held responsible for what their ancestors did. Understanding and forgiveness is free,looking for anything else is just trying to bring down this great country. Do not believe a word they tell you
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6:33pm Mon 3 Nov 08

gristy says...

Surely this is actually just going to encourage racism no? The council say that they're doing this so that they don't offend non-Christians, yet you see Diwali being celebrated. Congratulations Oxford County Council for encouraging racism within the community.
Surely this is actually just going to encourage racism no? The council say that they're doing this so that they don't offend non-Christians, yet you see Diwali being celebrated. Congratulations Oxford County Council for encouraging racism within the community. gristy
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6:42pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

It is great to see our Muslim and Jewish cousins making their voices heard.Well done to them,they clearly are more than aware of how stupid and counter-productive this nonsense is.
It is great to see our Muslim and Jewish cousins making their voices heard.Well done to them,they clearly are more than aware of how stupid and counter-productive this nonsense is. Do not believe a word they tell you
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6:45pm Mon 3 Nov 08

theearthisround says...

The story should really be headlined "The Oxford Mail set to axe real journalism." This is the sort of non-story which red tops such as the mail dust down each year. It distorts reality. Big deal, so the lights are called winter lights. Oh dear, how shocking. The reality is the mail knows how to whip its readers into a frenzy in order to sell papers/advertising. Journalism/churnalis
m.
The story should really be headlined "The Oxford Mail set to axe real journalism." This is the sort of non-story which red tops such as the mail dust down each year. It distorts reality. Big deal, so the lights are called winter lights. Oh dear, how shocking. The reality is the mail knows how to whip its readers into a frenzy in order to sell papers/advertising. Journalism/churnalis m. theearthisround
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6:55pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Do not believe a word they tell you says...

theearthisround wrote:
The story should really be headlined "The Oxford Mail set to axe real journalism." This is the sort of non-story which red tops such as the mail dust down each year. It distorts reality. Big deal, so the lights are called winter lights. Oh dear, how shocking. The reality is the mail knows how to whip its readers into a frenzy in order to sell papers/advertising. Journalism/churnalis m.
And you are a non person who clearly was not allowed to enjoy Christmas as a child.
[quote][p][bold]theearthisround[/bold] wrote: The story should really be headlined "The Oxford Mail set to axe real journalism." This is the sort of non-story which red tops such as the mail dust down each year. It distorts reality. Big deal, so the lights are called winter lights. Oh dear, how shocking. The reality is the mail knows how to whip its readers into a frenzy in order to sell papers/advertising. Journalism/churnalis m.[/p][/quote]And you are a non person who clearly was not allowed to enjoy Christmas as a child. Do not believe a word they tell you
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7:21pm Mon 3 Nov 08

seeunexttuesday says...

wow, is this some kind of joke??
are muslims and other religions going to be that upset or offended??
please tell me!!!!
And are they going to change the name of the christchurch college next?????
dont believe a word they tell you...as always,i am enjoying your comments.And no doubt mrfuzzywuzzy is too.
wow, is this some kind of joke?? are muslims and other religions going to be that upset or offended?? please tell me!!!! And are they going to change the name of the christchurch college next????? dont believe a word they tell you...as always,i am enjoying your comments.And no doubt mrfuzzywuzzy is too. seeunexttuesday
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8:05pm Mon 3 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

Brenda for Pope, are the the moderator that decides my worthiness in posting here? What sort of fascist are you? For the record you said this:
"We are sure that people like ourselves would much more want and appreciate this kind of event to come maybe after Christmas and other religious events, so as not to take away
or over shadow what is really important. This time of year (and the run up to Christmas including November) is an extremely busy, and in some cases a very stressful time, and maybe to have something to focus on like 'Winter Lights Festival' would be better suited to a time in January, when nights
are 'still dark' and people can relax, enjoy and probably welcome such an event."
Now if that doesn't mean Christmas shopping then I'm Santa Claus.
Brenda for Pope, are the the moderator that decides my worthiness in posting here? What sort of fascist are you? For the record you said this: "We are sure that people like ourselves would much more want and appreciate this kind of event to come maybe after Christmas and other religious events, so as not to take away or over shadow what is really important. This time of year (and the run up to Christmas including November) is an extremely busy, and in some cases a very stressful time, and maybe to have something to focus on like 'Winter Lights Festival' would be better suited to a time in January, when nights are 'still dark' and people can relax, enjoy and probably welcome such an event." Now if that doesn't mean Christmas shopping then I'm Santa Claus. I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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8:07pm Mon 3 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

Not one person has ever said this festival is named to avoid offending anyone. I defy you to post where it says this in the report? People are just imagining what is being said now, crazy!
Not one person has ever said this festival is named to avoid offending anyone. I defy you to post where it says this in the report? People are just imagining what is being said now, crazy! I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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8:08pm Mon 3 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

I suggest people read the report in the Oxford Times that completely refutes this made up nonsense designed to sell newspapers.
I suggest people read the report in the Oxford Times that completely refutes this made up nonsense designed to sell newspapers. I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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8:12pm Mon 3 Nov 08

I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers says...

gristy wrote:
Surely this is actually just going to encourage racism no? The council say that they're doing this so that they don't offend non-Christians, yet you see Diwali being celebrated. Congratulations Oxford County Council for encouraging racism within the community.
Yes it will encourage racism (the reporting) No they didn't say it might offend anyone. No Oxfordshire County Council are not the council in this story. Must try harder.
[quote][p][bold]gristy[/bold] wrote: Surely this is actually just going to encourage racism no? The council say that they're doing this so that they don't offend non-Christians, yet you see Diwali being celebrated. Congratulations Oxford County Council for encouraging racism within the community.[/p][/quote]Yes it will encourage racism (the reporting) No they didn't say it might offend anyone. No Oxfordshire County Council are not the council in this story. Must try harder. I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers
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11:20pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Concerned one says...

Liz Gresham of Oxford Inspires added: "We changed the name to be more inclusive.

Are you saying they made that quote up also?

plus: Oxford Inspires spokesman Tei WIlliams said: "The ceremony takes place on November 28. It's hardly Christmas if it's November.



Liz Gresham of Oxford Inspires added: "We changed the name to be more inclusive. Are you saying they made that quote up also? plus: Oxford Inspires spokesman Tei WIlliams said: "The ceremony takes place on November 28. It's hardly Christmas if it's November. Concerned one
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7:10am Tue 4 Nov 08

fuzzywuzzy says...

seeyounexttuesday, yes, I am very much enjoying 'don't believe a word they tell you's' comments and am just a little sad that 'Welsh Robbo' seems to have disappeared (unless he's on the way across the Severn Bridge to kick don't believe's bitchy little backside!) Where are you boyo? Seriously, what a load of fools these Oxford Inspires lot are
seeyounexttuesday, yes, I am very much enjoying 'don't believe a word they tell you's' comments and am just a little sad that 'Welsh Robbo' seems to have disappeared (unless he's on the way across the Severn Bridge to kick don't believe's bitchy little backside!) Where are you boyo? Seriously, what a load of fools these Oxford Inspires lot are fuzzywuzzy
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7:18am Tue 4 Nov 08

pete.jones says...

This act of not including the word christmas typifies how rediculous pc can be stretched. This could create racial problems. Well, they're not speaking on my behalf, I'm looking forward to CHRISTMAS.
-PC - pathetic correctness.
This act of not including the word christmas typifies how rediculous pc can be stretched. This could create racial problems. Well, they're not speaking on my behalf, I'm looking forward to CHRISTMAS. -PC - pathetic correctness. pete.jones
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7:25am Tue 4 Nov 08

seeunexttuesday says...

i think welsh robbo may have dissapeared up his own rear mr wuzzy.
join the 'don't believe' appreciation club!!!!!!!!!!!
i think welsh robbo may have dissapeared up his own rear mr wuzzy. join the 'don't believe' appreciation club!!!!!!!!!!! seeunexttuesday
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12:31pm Tue 4 Nov 08

Aslam says...

Never have I seen such childish, and unhelpful behaviour as in some of these comments. In particular Voxpop and the Cardif commentator. Now you can all stop as the City Council have confirmed that the Lord Mayor will be switching on the "Christmas Lights"
Never have I seen such childish, and unhelpful behaviour as in some of these comments. In particular Voxpop and the Cardif commentator. Now you can all stop as the City Council have confirmed that the Lord Mayor will be switching on the "Christmas Lights" Aslam
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1:57pm Tue 4 Nov 08

Hugh Jaeger says...

A few intolerant white atheists want to abolish Christmas in Oxford. They pretend that members of other religions would be offended by Christmas, and that banning centuries of popular tradition is somehow "inclusive".

The French and Russian revolutions tried to abolish Christmas and failed. Most Japanese are Shinto or Buddhist but they've adopted Christmas with gusto. Midwinter festivals are much older than Christ but the "Christmas" name has stuck and very few people want to pretend otherwise.

Mr Scrooge has returned from the dead, zombie-like, and feels at home in an attic of Oxford Town Hall. But he will choke on his humbugs in miserly solitude and Christmas will return to Oxford next year!
A few intolerant white atheists want to abolish Christmas in Oxford. They pretend that members of other religions would be offended by Christmas, and that banning centuries of popular tradition is somehow "inclusive". The French and Russian revolutions tried to abolish Christmas and failed. Most Japanese are Shinto or Buddhist but they've adopted Christmas with gusto. Midwinter festivals are much older than Christ but the "Christmas" name has stuck and very few people want to pretend otherwise. Mr Scrooge has returned from the dead, zombie-like, and feels at home in an attic of Oxford Town Hall. But he will choke on his humbugs in miserly solitude and Christmas will return to Oxford next year! Hugh Jaeger
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4:18pm Tue 4 Nov 08

laurie.day1 says...

I have never heard anything so stupid in my life, surely if people choose to live in this country they should expect to celebrate such things, as the saying say's when in Rome!!
STOP ALL THIS PC RUBBISH NOW England is a great country but we seem to be getting told not to do things we have done all of our lives. Nursery rhymes are changing every day for no good reason and what ever happened to the good old golly wog, just because these things have certain words in them that some people find offensive we all have to stop, I'm not the slightest bit racist at all but this really is getting far too much now. KEEP CHRISTMAS AS CHRISTMAS IT IS AFTER ALL THE LORDS BIRTHDAY WE CELEBRATE.
I have never heard anything so stupid in my life, surely if people choose to live in this country they should expect to celebrate such things, as the saying say's when in Rome!! STOP ALL THIS PC RUBBISH NOW England is a great country but we seem to be getting told not to do things we have done all of our lives. Nursery rhymes are changing every day for no good reason and what ever happened to the good old golly wog, just because these things have certain words in them that some people find offensive we all have to stop, I'm not the slightest bit racist at all but this really is getting far too much now. KEEP CHRISTMAS AS CHRISTMAS IT IS AFTER ALL THE LORDS BIRTHDAY WE CELEBRATE. laurie.day1
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8:54pm Tue 4 Nov 08

Frank Ray says...

This is copied from the Bishop of Portsmouth's website. Issued by the CBCEW

Statement from the Bishop of Portsmouth on the "Winter Light Festival"

Bishop Crispian Hollis, the Catholic Bishop of Portsmouth, has the southern side of Oxford as part of his diocese, and had this comment to make about Christmas events in Oxford being renamed as part of the "Winter Light Festival"

"Once again, this is political correctness gone mad and I am delighted to read that our Muslim and Jewish friends see it that way too. It betrays an ignorance of the significance of Christmas as a time of celebration for all, seeing it merely as a collection of Carol Services. The decision by the City Council offers a gratuitous slight to the Christian community in the city, does nothing to promote racial harmony and promotes, in the name of inclusivity, an exclusion of the traditions of a very significant proportion of the population of the city. I deplore this decision and I hope the Council will think again.?

This is copied from the Bishop of Portsmouth's website. Issued by the CBCEW Statement from the Bishop of Portsmouth on the "Winter Light Festival" Bishop Crispian Hollis, the Catholic Bishop of Portsmouth, has the southern side of Oxford as part of his diocese, and had this comment to make about Christmas events in Oxford being renamed as part of the "Winter Light Festival" "Once again, this is political correctness gone mad and I am delighted to read that our Muslim and Jewish friends see it that way too. It betrays an ignorance of the significance of Christmas as a time of celebration for all, seeing it merely as a collection of Carol Services. The decision by the City Council offers a gratuitous slight to the Christian community in the city, does nothing to promote racial harmony and promotes, in the name of inclusivity, an exclusion of the traditions of a very significant proportion of the population of the city. I deplore this decision and I hope the Council will think again.? Frank Ray
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6:29pm Thu 6 Nov 08

simplicissimus says...

Ed Turner's comment befits him. Ludicrous!
Ed Turner's comment befits him. Ludicrous! simplicissimus
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7:04pm Wed 26 Nov 08

davebow says...

How sad that Christmas which has been such a joyful facet of my life all over the world, enjoyed in its own way by all creeds and cultures, has been cancelled by bigots. I will no longer spend any money in Oxford, all my shopping will now be in Milton Keynes, where I can smile at the Christmas scenes and the joy on the faces of the multi cultured kids. Shame on Oxford.
How sad that Christmas which has been such a joyful facet of my life all over the world, enjoyed in its own way by all creeds and cultures, has been cancelled by bigots. I will no longer spend any money in Oxford, all my shopping will now be in Milton Keynes, where I can smile at the Christmas scenes and the joy on the faces of the multi cultured kids. Shame on Oxford. davebow
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