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6:40am Saturday 1st November 2008
A plan to axe the word Christmas from this year’s city centre festive celebrations has been criticised by religious leaders.
Council chiefs have confirmed there will be no traditional Christ-mas light switch-on in Oxford this year, but instead revellers will be greeted with a 25-metre high mobile of lanterns in the shape of the solar system.
A city council spokesman confirmed this year’s event would be called the “Winter Light Festival” to include all religious denominations.
Shoppers on the streets of Oxford criticised the decision to cut out the word Christmas and called for a return to tradition.
There will also be no mention of the word Christmas in the reduced "festive lights" programme to be erected in the city.
The idea is the brainchild of the charity Oxford Inspires, which has been set up to promote culture in the county and increase participation in cultural events.
Councillors have claimed they are not “Christmas killers”, but the move has outraged religious leaders of all denominations in the city.
Sabir Hussain Mirza, chairman of the Muslim Council of Oxford, said: "I'm really upset about this. This is the one occasion which everyone looks forward to in the year. Christians, Muslims and other religions all look forward to Christmas.
"This is going to be a disaster. I'm angry and very, very disappointed.
"Christmas is special and we shouldn't ignore it. Christian people should be offended and 99 per cent of people will be against this. Christmas is part of being British and we shouldn't hide it away."
Rabbi Eli Bracknell, who teaches at the Jewish Educational Centre, in Cowley Road, said: "It's important to maintain a traditional British Christmas. Anything that waters down traditional culture and Christianity in the UK is not positive for the British identity.
"Winter includes all of these festivals but it also conceals them."
Reverend James Grote, of the John Bunyan Baptist Church, in Cowley, said: "People are not offended by hearing each other's faiths.
"Our religious community is diverse and each one should be expressed. You can only do that if you name the faiths represented."
Last year the city council came under criticism for asking Lord Mayor John Tanner to switch on the Christmas Lights and not stumping up cash for a celebrity.
This year it has decided to do away with the switch-on altogether and instead lights will be turned on automatically at the beginning of the Winter Light event as part of the unveiling of the new Bonn Square on Friday, November 28.
A giant mobile of the solar system will hang from a crane in Broad Street on that night and will be lit up by a pyrotechnic display of fireworks by performance arts company 'Walk the Plank'.
Oxford Inspires spokesman Tei WIlliams said: "The ceremony takes place on November 28. It's hardly Christmas if it's November.
“In Oxfordshire we have Winter Light which is a whole festival spanning two months. Within that festival will be Christmas Carol services."
Liz Gresham of Oxford Inspires added: "We changed the name to be more inclusive.
“We have Diwali at this time of year and Hannukah, so these are represented as well."
Deputy Leader of the council Ed Turner said: "We are not Christmas killers. Among councillors there's certainly no desire to downgrade the importance or the prominence given to Christmas. Several festivals take place at this time of year so this is a way of celebrating them all at the one time.
"There's going to be a Christmas tree and even if the lights are called something else to me they will be Christmas lights."
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Welsh robbo, Cardiff says...
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VoxPop, Oxford says...
11:50am Sun 2 Nov 08
making sense wrote:"making sense" Christmas is not for everone the clue is in the name it is for christians which does not include everyone regardless of religion does it!?!
Vox Pop, Sorry but you are a complete idiot. Christmas includes everyone. Regardless of race, religion, and colour. As for calling us all racist (Learn to spell) Grow up, and when you finish potty training, come back and make an intelligent comment
VoxPop, Oxford says...
11:53am Sun 2 Nov 08
beetle & wedge wrote:Translation plz.
don't worry too much about voxpop (to him it means the voice of the lefties, not the voice of the people)dear old rac-ism is the pre-eminent lefty incantation and the first dull lefty to use the words gains rachismo , yes even the living dead like Mr Justice McPherson
VoxPop, Oxford says...
11:55am Sun 2 Nov 08
Jo S wrote:Jo S you appear to think Oxpford Council pays for street lights for Diwali, Eid and Hanukah. They don't!!!
Oxford residents please write all this stuff to your Council and copy your letters/emails to your MP. Next attacked will be Diwali, Eid, Hanukah...
beetle & wedge, Chippy says...
12:15pm Sun 2 Nov 08
VoxPop wrote:OK. Loosely translated it means that you are a Stalinist, of the variety that Marx would have called a "useful idiot". You trot out words like "racism" which are completely meaningless and, sadly,you will never know enough to grasp even as simple a proposition as that. (Marx meant "stooges" in case you are wondering)
beetle & wedge wrote: don't worry too much about voxpop (to him it means the voice of the lefties, not the voice of the people)dear old rac-ism is the pre-eminent lefty incantation and the first dull lefty to use the words gains rachismo , yes even the living dead like Mr Justice McPhersonTranslation plz.
VoxPop, Oxford says...
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Terry Chandler, Oxford says...
1:40pm Sun 2 Nov 08
VoxPop wrote:No they don't we do, buut what has that got to do with anything?
Jo S wrote: Oxford residents please write all this stuff to your Council and copy your letters/emails to your MP. Next attacked will be Diwali, Eid, Hanukah...Jo S you appear to think Oxpford Council pays for street lights for Diwali, Eid and Hanukah. They don't!!!
Brenda Jackson, Hook Norton says...
1:49pm Sun 2 Nov 08
Welsh robbo wrote:''My memories of Oxford ?
Cardiff is a great cosmopolitan city. The warmth of the welsh, irish and afro-caribbean communities makes Cardiff a unique capital city. Developers change infrastructure, for better or worse, but the heart of the city is still pumping. My memories of Oxford ? Self-important , upper middle-class twits called Olivia and Harry stll reminiscing about the double-first they took at Wadham and obsessed with their 'image'. And they don't like Christmas, the Scrooges.
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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etyndall, Oxford says...
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VoxPop, Oxford says...
3:31pm Sun 2 Nov 08
etyndall wrote:You're taking the ****, right??? You don't seriously think the Council had tried to stop anyone using the word Christmas (the second most important date in the christian calendar, btw)?
E Tyndall - Kidlington Just so the Council are clear - the word Christmas means the birth of Christ. Why should we be told to drop the word Christmas, as we may offend people? We all have the right to celebrate Christmas and to have the word Christmas in our homes, schools, shops etc. The Council should try listening to the people in this Country, instead of talking for us.
Brenda Pope, Abingdon says...
3:33pm Sun 2 Nov 08
beetle & wedge, Chippy says...
3:37pm Sun 2 Nov 08
VoxPop wrote:Son, I wouldn't even know what Oxford Council is-Liberal Dumbocrats or Green slime. So I'm sure you're right. Don't forget your Damart thermals when they call for you and always remember, like most of the other people who've subscribed to this blog do remember, that the National Socialist party was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED- forgive the capitals but I guess when bloggers start using them it signifies the point at which they punch you if you're in the pub. I doubt anyway that most of the members of the City Council are as intersted in this subject as whether it will be jammy dodgers or plain chocolate wheatmeal at the next meeting
Chippy stop clucking like a scalded chicken and slinging mud like "Stalinist" and "useful idiot". I am supporting the decision of a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED COUNCIL. If you think Oxfords council is a STALINIUST regnime you should read some history books or something.
Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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markmac, Oxford says...
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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Quentin Walker, Oxford says...
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Quentin Walker wrote:I told you so.
It's kickin' off!
Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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VoxPop, Oxford says...
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
6:16pm Sun 2 Nov 08
beetle & wedge wrote:I suspect he is in America helping Obama to win the election there.
Where's Alan Page of Guildford? There must be a bourgeois around here somewhere. I'm advised that Oxford City Council is Zanu PF and apologize for my previous ignorance.
Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
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I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
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I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
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Zimmer, Oxon says...
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not common purpose, oxford says...
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I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
4:41pm Mon 3 Nov 08
sarsie wrote:You are right, people do pay for this including Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Hndu, Buddhist etc. If you want to decide what the council does then become a councillor and then you can impose only your belief on all of us as you seem to be advocating this. There is no tradition of a two month festival starting in November so what are you talking about? This festival has Christmas Trees in it and Christmas Carols (it's on Inspires website!)so what exactly do you think is up with it? The wording of the newspaper report would be my guess.
Absolutely disgusted by this. As far as I am aware we pay for this bunch of clowns to run the city and how dare they decide what we can and can't celebrate. We pay - it's our city - WE decide. It's time to all get together and remind the council that they are elected by us and should get on with their jobs and stop trying to break down all our traditions and history.
Brenda Pope, Abingdon says...
4:41pm Mon 3 Nov 08
I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
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I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
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not common purpose wrote:A very Christian attitude I must say
I think that the morons of Oxford Inspires should all be sacked and the winter lanterns shoved where the sun doesn't shine!
Maybe next year they will remember that Christmas is for Christians!
I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
4:46pm Mon 3 Nov 08
not common purpose wrote:A very Christian attitude I must say
I think that the morons of Oxford Inspires should all be sacked and the winter lanterns shoved where the sun doesn't shine!
Maybe next year they will remember that Christmas is for Christians!
I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
4:48pm Mon 3 Nov 08
Zimmer wrote:I have enough to be able to use my own language well but thanks for the advice.
Think you need to go to bed earlier 10.08pm, far too late for you to be trying to use what little grey matter you have endowed with!!!!!!
DanOxford, Oxford says...
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Brenda Pope, Abingdon says...
4:56pm Mon 3 Nov 08
I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers wrote:You obviously have no place here to be a part of this issue, so stop trying to intimidate people by your stupid 'quotes' go away and join a chat forum somewhere on the web that is more suited to your mentality! I will not respond any further to your STUPID comments to sensible peoples comments ..... I recommend others ignore him as I will from now on.
Brenda Pope, so you think what's really important about Christmas that this festival will get in the way of is basically shopping. Wonderful sense of tradition you have.
Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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gristy, Wallingford says...
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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theearthisround, Oxford says...
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Do not believe a word they tell you, Oxford says...
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theearthisround wrote:And you are a non person who clearly was not allowed to enjoy Christmas as a child.
The story should really be headlined "The Oxford Mail set to axe real journalism." This is the sort of non-story which red tops such as the mail dust down each year. It distorts reality. Big deal, so the lights are called winter lights. Oh dear, how shocking. The reality is the mail knows how to whip its readers into a frenzy in order to sell papers/advertising. Journalism/churnalis m.
seeunexttuesday, oxford says...
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I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
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I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
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I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
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I believe without question or analysis everything written in newspapers, Oxford says...
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gristy wrote:Yes it will encourage racism (the reporting) No they didn't say it might offend anyone. No Oxfordshire County Council are not the council in this story. Must try harder.
Surely this is actually just going to encourage racism no? The council say that they're doing this so that they don't offend non-Christians, yet you see Diwali being celebrated. Congratulations Oxford County Council for encouraging racism within the community.
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beetle & wedge, Chippy says...
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