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6:00am Friday 16th November 2007

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The smoking ban and soaring property prices are killing off Oxford's pubs at a rate of almost one every eight weeks, claim real ale enthusiasts.

In September, the White House pub, in Botley Road, was boarded up and now the Marlborough House, at the junction of Marlborough Road and Western Road, in Grandpont, has also closed.

Twelve pubs have shut in the city in the past two years, according to Tony Goulding, chairman of the Oxford branch of the Campaign for Real Ale (Camra).

He said 25 pubs out of 150 in Oxford had closed in the past 10 years, but the rate of closure was speeding up, with 12 of the 25 lost shutting since 2005.

He said: "Pubs are closing at an alarming rate and the situation is getting critical. In the old days, people went to the pub and the cinema - those were their main distractions - but people lead such busy lives nowadays and it's hard to get them to come out to community pubs.

"The smoking ban certainly doesn't help. The ban, rising property prices and the sale of cheap alcohol in supermarkets is killing off our pubs."

John Mackie, pubs officer for Oxford Camra, added: "I think the smoking ban probably killed off the Marlborough House."

John Madden, of the Guild of Master Victuallers, which represents landlords in Oxfordshire, claimed the smoking ban, introduced in July, was leading to a 25 per cent drop in trade at some pubs. He said: "The ban is certainly starting to bite. We won't really know how bad the situation is until after the winter months, which will certainly put some smokers off, because they will not want to stand outside in the cold.

"We're hearing about two to three pubs a day closing countrywide - the trade is going through a really hard time.

"Property prices are high, so some companies are choosing to sell the pub buildings to developers, because some pubs are no longer profitable.

"There are still profitable pubs, but they're the ones which have diversified and learned that people want to have a meal nowadays when they go out for a drink."

Oliver du Croz, a spokesman for Punch Taverns, said: "The Marlborough House has closed and we're in the process of considering our options for the future of the site."

Lianne Sammons, licensee of the Honeypot, in Hollybush Row, said: "We saw a slight drop in trade after the smoking ban but we have heaters outside, so it hasn't been too bad. We need to wait until after the winter to really see what difference it makes."

Matthew Marren, landlord of the Old Bookbinders, in Victor Street, Jericho, said: "House prices are increasing fast in Jericho and the clientele is changing. People aren't drinking as much as they did 10 years ago."

According to the trade paper, the Morning Advertiser, there are 28 pubs for sale in Oxfordshire, including four in Oxford, but their identities have not been revealed by the agents selling them.


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j, oxford says...
6:24am Fri 16 Nov 07

one is the friar marston...

jamie, cumnor says...
7:01am Fri 16 Nov 07

I for one havent seen the pubs getting any quieter.In fact since the smoking ban they are busier the only difference being the druggies keep going outside for their fix!!!!

bob johnson, says...
9:39am Fri 16 Nov 07

im a non smoker & i`ve actually started going to the pub more.usually the golden ball littlemore

Sid HUnt, says...
10:45am Fri 16 Nov 07

j wrote:
one is the friar marston...
The Friar is shut due to the useless landlords they have had recently and the lack of interest from the brewery.

rkjc, Oxford says...
11:06am Fri 16 Nov 07

Whatever happened to the Victoria at the end of Walton Street. Presumably killed off by the demise of the Lucy factory.

alan page, says...
11:35am Fri 16 Nov 07

jamie wrote:
I for one havent seen the pubs getting any quieter.In fact since the smoking ban they are busier the only difference being the druggies keep going outside for their fix!!!!
Odd havent noticed any drinkers in the streets.

Tony Brett, Oxford says...
12:05pm Fri 16 Nov 07

Is this about pubs not keeping up with what people want? There are plenty of thriving pubs in Oxford but these tend to be the ones that have re-invented themselves with Games, quizzes, become music venues etc.

The Exeter Hall on Oxford Road Cowley is a perfect example.

Arfur Jock, Oxford says...
12:43pm Fri 16 Nov 07

alan page wrote:
jamie wrote:
I for one havent seen the pubs getting any quieter.In fact since the smoking ban they are busier the only difference being the druggies keep going outside for their fix!!!!
Odd havent noticed any drinkers in the streets.
Erm - you can still drink inside Alan.
I think I can see what point you are trying to make but why don't you re-acquaint yourself with reality before spouting nonsense?

alan page, says...
12:56pm Fri 16 Nov 07

Another anonymous Jungian projection.How exciting!!
So alcohol is no longer considered a drug?
I suggest you reaquaint yourself with the english language before trying to throw more idiotic comments my way.
"Druggies going outside to get their fix."
My response is perfectly fair.

David McKenzie, Oxford says...
2:02pm Fri 16 Nov 07

Personally I think that dwindling numbers in pubs has been on the cards for some time. The prices in pubs is ridiculous and way out of pace with the rest of life. The other day my wife, daughter and I popped into a pub at lunchtime. Pint of beer, G&T and the tiniest orange juice you've ever seen... over £8. It's not about 'cheap supermarket' booze. Going to the pub is as much about the social element as purely drinking alcohol. And I bet the smoking ban means there are actually more people inclined to pop in that less. Pub chains have priced themselves out of business. Over £3 for a pint of beer is ridiculous.

alan page, says...
2:10pm Fri 16 Nov 07

Arfur Jock wrote:
alan page wrote:
jamie wrote: I for one havent seen the pubs getting any quieter.In fact since the smoking ban they are busier the only difference being the druggies keep going outside for their fix!!!!
Odd havent noticed any drinkers in the streets.
Erm - you can still drink inside Alan. I think I can see what point you are trying to make but why don\\\'t you re-acquaint yourself with reality before spouting nonsense?
Oh, you mean there is a universally available scientifically verfiable objective reality to refer to?
I suggest you publish a paper concerning that as since Kant's assertion that all human perception of objective reality is conditioned and limited to his individual sensual apparatus, the general trend has been to focus on the oncept of individual,personal
"realities" conditioned by an individual's responses to things like upbringing etc.
Take a couple of examples, the view of Cocaine held by bourgeois party freaks in this country is probably not the same view held by the farmers being forced to cultivate it at gun point.
The view of a bunnyhugger in relation to foxes (though not lambs) is different from that of a farmer who's chickens keep being attacked.
So please elaborate on this "reality" you want me to face. It should be most interesting.

Don, Banbury says...
2:12pm Fri 16 Nov 07

I don't go outside to get my fix. It's a lot warmer and more private to snort a bit of what you fancy in the pub toilets

Noam, Abingdon Rd says...
3:38pm Fri 16 Nov 07

I haven't been in my local (the Berkshire House) since they banned dogs - about the same time we got a labrador...

It'd be a pity if it disappeared, but at the same time they don't make it very easy for me to be a customer.

Also I hate being turfed out at 2320 when I'm half way through a pint. If we want to save local pubs, should we not be more lenient on them when they apply for extended hours? Local councillors always vote against extended hours which may encourage punters to stay local instead of going into town for a late drink. This kind of puritanism, unique to England, has to be partly to blame for hurting local pubs.

QueenB, Oxford says...
7:22pm Sun 18 Nov 07

alan page wrote:
Arfur Jock wrote:
alan page wrote:
jamie wrote: I for one havent seen the pubs getting any quieter.In fact since the smoking ban they are busier the only difference being the druggies keep going outside for their fix!!!!
Odd havent noticed any drinkers in the streets.
Erm - you can still drink inside Alan. I think I can see what point you are trying to make but why don\\\'t you re-acquaint yourself with reality before spouting nonsense?
Oh, you mean there is a universally available scientifically verfiable objective reality to refer to? I suggest you publish a paper concerning that as since Kant's assertion that all human perception of objective reality is conditioned and limited to his individual sensual apparatus, the general trend has been to focus on the oncept of individual,personal "realities" conditioned by an individual's responses to things like upbringing etc. Take a couple of examples, the view of Cocaine held by bourgeois party freaks in this country is probably not the same view held by the farmers being forced to cultivate it at gun point. The view of a bunnyhugger in relation to foxes (though not lambs) is different from that of a farmer who's chickens keep being attacked. So please elaborate on this "reality" you want me to face. It should be most interesting.
I can see a tumbleweed!!!!!!!!!!

Paul Garrard, www.realalenet.co.uk says...
9:19pm Wed 21 Nov 07

It's a worrying trend that's being repeated all over the country !

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