Where I grew up as a youngster in the 70s, we had no leisure centre either. In fact, the nearest pool was over 20 miles away. All we had was a field and even this didn't have anything useful such as goal posts. How come we managed to find things to do and didn't have to resort to antisocial behaviour and crime?? It's becoming a poor excuse, the council are throwing their money away on facilities that will be abused and vandalised by those they are trying to help.

May as well burn £20,000 worth of notes.What a waste of our money

tpebop wrote:
May as well burn £20,000 worth of notes.What a waste of our money

just cuz u lot think rose hill people are scum i agree in a way though cuz they'll still ave trouble at the oval guaranteed infact i bet u a squillion pound lol

Rich wrote:
Where I grew up as a youngster in the 70s, we had no leisure centre either. In fact, the nearest pool was over 20 miles away. All we had was a field and even this didn't have anything useful such as goal posts. How come we managed to find things to do and didn't have to resort to antisocial behaviour and crime?? It's becoming a poor excuse, the council are throwing their money away on facilities that will be abused and vandalised by those they are trying to help.

Unfortunatly not everyone grew up seemingly on a country farm with only their brothers and sisters for company! Rose Hill has been in trouble since before the seventies and there was anti-social behaviour back then too you know! If you look seriously at Rose Hill compared to other large estates in Oxford there is nothing there, look at all the facilities Blackbird Leys have for example? yes i know it is very close but the walk there is dangerous. The only nearby leisure facility is Peers Sports Centre and that is due to close shortly. All facilities are abused no matter where they are for example I ws looking at all the graffitti and mess left in a rec area in Summertown, north oxford dahhhling, which is why i see little harm in providing a neglected community with something that might let a few people gain from it.

Louise wrote:

Rich wrote: Where I grew up as a youngster in the 70s, we had no leisure centre either. In fact, the nearest pool was over 20 miles away. All we had was a field and even this didn't have anything useful such as goal posts. How come we managed to find things to do and didn't have to resort to antisocial behaviour and crime?? It's becoming a poor excuse, the council are throwing their money away on facilities that will be abused and vandalised by those they are trying to help.

Unfortunatly not everyone grew up seemingly on a country farm with only their brothers and sisters for company! Rose Hill has been in trouble since before the seventies and there was anti-social behaviour back then too you know! If you look seriously at Rose Hill compared to other large estates in Oxford there is nothing there, look at all the facilities Blackbird Leys have for example? yes i know it is very close but the walk there is dangerous. The only nearby leisure facility is Peers Sports Centre and that is due to close shortly. All facilities are abused no matter where they are for example I ws looking at all the graffitti and mess left in a rec area in Summertown, north oxford dahhhling, which is why i see little harm in providing a neglected community with something that might let a few people gain from it.

what's the point in being sarcastic about north oxford? just because it is north oxford does not mean that everybody is posh here so your Dahhling phrase is pathetic. We would love for there to be 20,000 pounds spent on recreation facilities here, but we won't get it, and why? because of stupid attitudes like yours. silly bint

Jennfer... the City Council spent £3M on Ferry Sports Centre, and the last time I looked that was in NORTH Oxford!

yes they may have spent 3m on ferry centre , that is not in dispute, the fact is though that that is used by people the whole city over.
The point i am trying to make is that we don't just get given grants for 20,000 to make nice facilites for kids that have misbehaved and (as history has proven) will probably just wreck them. I hope I am wrong, but looking back over 30 years, i doubt i am!

And the other point I was trying to make is that why is it fair of people like Louise to make out that all of North Oxford is a posh area with her stupid comment? We are just as entitled to nice things, and grants etc, but we just get that kind of attitude and it makes me sick.

look at all the facilities Blackbird Leys have for example?

Yes, Louise, Look at all the facilities and there is still a problem with anti-social behaviour in Blackbird Leys. Doesn't this suggest that, perhaps, there is not a correlation between poor behaviour and not having anything to do. To me it suggests that these peole are using the lack of facilities as an excuse and that the spending of the money is a waste of time as it will not achieve its purpose.

Oh and incidentally, I did not grow up on a farm. A lot of Oxfordshire villages were like this (and some still are!!)yet suffered no serious trouble.

well said Rich - this is what makes me laugh - rose hill will be getting 20,000 because the kids say there is nothing to do there - but it doesn't matter what there is to do in an area, if kids are going to be disruptive they are going to be disruptive, whether there are facilities in an area or not.
nothing will change until the parents of these kids (who, to be honest were probably the kids from the area 20 years ago) do something about it. There is no way I would let my son act in the way that some of these kids do, and anybody who says it is not that simple, is talking rubbish, of course it is that simple. The parents can and should control their kids and then people possibly wouldn't mind about money being spent on an area. we should reward well behaved kids, not kids who just seem keen to wreck everything anyway

It will just be another thing for them to destroy. Having nothing to do is no reason for causing trouble and breaking the law. There wasn't a lot to do when I was younger but we didnt resort to breaking windows, destroying other peoples property etc, it's just excusing and throwing money at the problem is not going to help. You might as well have just flushed that £20,000 down the toilet. I remember a while back a new play area was put up there, and over night the new equipment disappeared. There's a community centre which is constantly attacked and attempts have happened to set it on fire, there's a Scout hut that has had its walls broken down and the hut attacked, to the extent that 6ft fences have had to be put up around it (and the school). They will never appreciated the things you give them, all the one to do is destroy it.

Well said Jade.

Pete, please tell us your never going to breed!

you lot ent even talking about whats relavant no more

Aren't there several houses on Rose Hill which need demolishing? Let the 'kids' (the two quoted on here are 19 & 17 - they be too tired after work to be out causing mischief) knock the houses down - that should get rid of the eyesores and relieve all that pent-up energy.

Oxford City Council should really consider child labour for children in Rose Hill. You would be keeping the kids active and out of trouble and they wouldn't have time or energy to cause anti social behaivour after slogging their guts out all day. Put the £20k to good use and build a coal mine in Rose Hill. I was in Rose Hill the other day I popped into a News Agent to but a newspaper and as I walked back to my Volvo Estate ( 07 Reg) this juvenile of about 8 said s**t car mate, come round ere again and i'll wet you up. Well I was shocked, I know what I would spend that £20k on .. a correction facility .

Cutteslowe and Wolvercote (North Oxford) both have flood lights on street sports sites. Lucky the council don't think like the above person

Actually I have worked at Ferry Sports Centre in the past and let me tell you the anti-social behaviour focused there with locker vandalism and breakins is far worse than any of the other sports centres in the council, by far the least vandalised is in fact Blackbird Leys and Barton Pool.

The point I was making with the sarcasm at the 'dahhling comment' (may i direct the stupid bint comment back at yourself) is the 3m was spent on Ferry Sports Centre but none bitched about the vandalism and destruction that might and later would happen there. In fact everyone was thrilled about it because noone had the perception that it would be treated the way it is but as soon as people mention 'omg shock horror' a RUN DOWN COUNCIL ESTATE everyone is disgusted at the amount being spent trying to regenerate it. No offence intended to Adam above but cutteslowe is hardly the most reputable area yet their floodlights are still intact?
Maybe Jade you need to re-**** your superior attitude towards people living in council estates and the problems that face them instead of being absorbed in your own little world where north oxford doesn't have a penny spent on it. HA.

louise - you obviously have problems with North Oxford, you obviously think that you are superior to those of us here. Yes, there may have been vandalism of the lockers at the Ferry Centre, but I believe that that would happen anywhere. The fact is though, that THE RUN DOWN COUNCIL ESTATE as you so put it, is run down because the people there don't give a stuff about it, there are council estates in North Oxford too you know, so take your high and mighty attitude and save it for somebody who gives a ****.
And perhaps, as you say, the reason the cutteslowe floodlights are still intact is because the kids know when they have a good thing, yes the estate may not have that great a reputation but the proof is in the pudding as they say.
also, the reason i called you a silly bint is that you were sarcastic about north oxford people, not everyone here is posh, not everyone here speaks in a dahhhling way. Just the same as not everyone on rose hill is a vandal, there is no point trying to regenerate it, because history has proved time and time again, that it will just get wrecked.

Problems with north oxford? i'm from Marston but now live in Rose Hill, the vandalism and disrespect for property was no different in Croft road than it is in Rose Hill. Why is it people like you think the money is better deserved elsewhere? Rose Hill has precious little compared to most estates and what they do have is so old and decrepid it isn't going to be treated with respect, whilst you are complaining about my high and mighty attitude read again what I wrote explaining that sarcasm towards the middle class of north oxford is then general attitude which people like you have that things are going to be vandalised and its a waste of money to place a facility in Rose Hill, it isn't just lockers vandalised at Ferry, the bike theft situation is terrible, and you have to walk through swarms of children round the back of the community centre there graffiting and smoking cannibis. Of course I realise that there are council estates there I also realise having lived in both areas that there isn't a **** bit of difference between the two just generally speaking the kids in north oxford can buy more drugs!
Please drop the dahhhling thing, you clearly don't understand what I meant by it and I really can't go any slower for you.

As for cutteslowe if the kids know they have a good thing there why can't they in Rose Hill? I can't believe the ignorent like yourself can be so snobby!

Just to clear this up, I am totally in support or Rose Hill getting lights on SPORTS facility, yes and the comment I made about Cutteslowe and Wolvercote having such facilities was a responce to the person who said they wouldn't get the money. Surely the main aim is to give young people a chance to take part in sporting activity for longer periods. With the health problems the country has surely a facility giving people a chance to do this for years to come is worth £20,000. On top of this if it gives people a chance to turn away from other options available to young people, like drugs and anti social behaviour it would of been some of the best spent money of the council's budget. Lets face facts, young people in Rose Hill have more distractions than most, and without good parenting can be led down the wrong path, anything we can do to help prevent this is a benifit to us all as a society.

Louise wrote:
Actually I have worked at Ferry Sports Centre in the past and let me tell you the anti-social behaviour focused there with locker vandalism and breakins is far worse than any of the other sports centres in the council, by far the least vandalised is in fact Blackbird Leys and Barton Pool. The point I was making with the sarcasm at the 'dahhling comment' (may i direct the stupid bint comment back at yourself) is the 3m was spent on Ferry Sports Centre but none bitched about the vandalism and destruction that might and later would happen there. In fact everyone was thrilled about it because noone had the perception that it would be treated the way it is but as soon as people mention 'omg shock horror' a RUN DOWN COUNCIL ESTATE everyone is disgusted at the amount being spent trying to regenerate it. No offence intended to Adam above but cutteslowe is hardly the most reputable area yet their floodlights are still intact? Maybe Jade you need to re-**** your superior attitude towards people living in council estates and the problems that face them instead of being absorbed in your own little world where north oxford doesn't have a penny spent on it. HA.

Louise, you don't know anything about me, or where I live. For your information I do not live in North Oxford or anywhere similar. The reason I can say about what Rose Hill is like is that I lived there and worked with the kids and people there as well, so I know exactly what it is like. This is nothing against Council Estates or people that live in council houses, this is about one particular area and there is whether you want to admit it or not ALOT of trouble there! Things are ruined, and I don't think they should be spending money on it when the element of trouble still exists there (which is only a small group, but they cause alot of damage) I moved out because I couldnt stand the amount of damage being caused to the place I worked and my car and the abuse I got just walking down the street. So don't tell me I'm absorbed in my own little world as I know alot about that area, so maybe you shouldn't be making asumptions like that.