Bin lorry and accidents create chaos for drivers

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COMMUTERS once again faced traffic chaos yesterday morning when bin collectors blocked a main road in Kennington.

Drivers reported being stuck in traffic for about 20 minutes behind the waste collection lorry.

This was the first time bin collections and the school run have happened at the same time since the roadworks at the A423 Southern bypass started.

On the A34, traffic was forced to queue back to Abingdon and up to the Pear Tree interchange.

Oxford Bus Company reported delays of up to an hour on their X3, 35 and X13 services from Abingdon to Oxford.

And a collision between a red Fiat Punto and a white lorry caused severe delays near Botley at about 10am.

The A420 was blocked near the Botley interchange due to the accident between the two vehicles at the Seacourt Tower traffic lights.

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8:50am Fri 5 Sep 14

norton manor says...

what are the bin men/women expected to do? work nightshift.
what are the bin men/women expected to do? work nightshift. norton manor
  • Score: 4

9:16am Fri 5 Sep 14

HomerSimpsonDoh says...

No, but the shift should have changed to later or earlier in the day. All it needed was a bit of common sense, but that is lacking badly in Oxford.
No, but the shift should have changed to later or earlier in the day. All it needed was a bit of common sense, but that is lacking badly in Oxford. HomerSimpsonDoh
  • Score: 2

9:22am Fri 5 Sep 14

goridebus says...

Why should the shift be changed? Refuse collectors have contracts of employment and usual working hours same as everyone else.
Why should the shift be changed? Refuse collectors have contracts of employment and usual working hours same as everyone else. goridebus
  • Score: 1

9:50am Fri 5 Sep 14

gas465 says...

HomerSimpsonDoh wrote:
No, but the shift should have changed to later or earlier in the day. All it needed was a bit of common sense, but that is lacking badly in Oxford.
As do the countless drivers who continue to insist on driving into the centre of Oxford on a daily basis.
[quote][p][bold]HomerSimpsonDoh[/bold] wrote: No, but the shift should have changed to later or earlier in the day. All it needed was a bit of common sense, but that is lacking badly in Oxford.[/p][/quote]As do the countless drivers who continue to insist on driving into the centre of Oxford on a daily basis. gas465
  • Score: 2

9:54am Fri 5 Sep 14

Parkie says...

The traffic through Kennington has become a nightmare since everyone is avoiding the A34, especially the amount of bus traffic.

I hope the council will consider resurfacing the already worn out roads along this route.


it is a residential village so commuters can have no complaints if they choose this route. They can always use the A34.
The traffic through Kennington has become a nightmare since everyone is avoiding the A34, especially the amount of bus traffic. I hope the council will consider resurfacing the already worn out roads along this route. it is a residential village so commuters can have no complaints if they choose this route. They can always use the A34. Parkie
  • Score: 3

10:07am Fri 5 Sep 14

Marco00 says...

For goodness sake, rush, rush, rush. The residents want (need) their bins emptied. Drivers do not have to use this road. It is their choice. It is not the end of the world to be in this queue. What will they be like if there is a real calamity ?
For goodness sake, rush, rush, rush. The residents want (need) their bins emptied. Drivers do not have to use this road. It is their choice. It is not the end of the world to be in this queue. What will they be like if there is a real calamity ? Marco00
  • Score: 11

10:14am Fri 5 Sep 14

Whitto says...

Everyone else should change their lives around me (and Tarquin and Jocasta) as we are so more important than you.
Everyone else should change their lives around me (and Tarquin and Jocasta) as we are so more important than you. Whitto
  • Score: 1

10:47am Fri 5 Sep 14

Marco00 says...

Whitto wrote:
Everyone else should change their lives around me (and Tarquin and Jocasta) as we are so more important than you.
But don't Jasper and Oliver have a say in the matter ?
[quote][p][bold]Whitto[/bold] wrote: Everyone else should change their lives around me (and Tarquin and Jocasta) as we are so more important than you.[/p][/quote]But don't Jasper and Oliver have a say in the matter ? Marco00
  • Score: 5

11:39am Fri 5 Sep 14

Danny A says...

Yep the queues were (are) not caused by the bin lorry. It's presence and movement is predictable, its presence is also essential. The Kennington queues are caused by large numbers of drivers coming from Abingdon (direction) and trying to avoid the A34/ring road. Including some using the wholly unsuitable Bagley Wood road which is about as wide as a Ford Fiesta. Parked cars on the Kennington road are more of an issue because they don't move on unlike the bin lorry and Coop delivery truck.
Yep the queues were (are) not caused by the bin lorry. It's presence and movement is predictable, its presence is also essential. The Kennington queues are caused by large numbers of drivers coming from Abingdon (direction) and trying to avoid the A34/ring road. Including some using the wholly unsuitable Bagley Wood road which is about as wide as a Ford Fiesta. Parked cars on the Kennington road are more of an issue because they don't move on unlike the bin lorry and Coop delivery truck. Danny A
  • Score: 9

12:10pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

HomerSimpsonDoh wrote:
No, but the shift should have changed to later or earlier in the day. All it needed was a bit of common sense, but that is lacking badly in Oxford.
Why would someone in Oxford undertake a review of the bin collections over the border in Kennington?
[quote][p][bold]HomerSimpsonDoh[/bold] wrote: No, but the shift should have changed to later or earlier in the day. All it needed was a bit of common sense, but that is lacking badly in Oxford.[/p][/quote]Why would someone in Oxford undertake a review of the bin collections over the border in Kennington? Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 8

12:23pm Fri 5 Sep 14

King Joke says...

Parkie wrote:
The traffic through Kennington has become a nightmare since everyone is avoiding the A34, especially the amount of bus traffic.

I hope the council will consider resurfacing the already worn out roads along this route.


it is a residential village so commuters can have no complaints if they choose this route. They can always use the A34.
'THe amount of bus traffic'... what are you on about? Even if every bus between Ox and Abingdon were to go through Kennington it would amount to around 15 per hour - one every four minutes, and a miniscule percentage of overall traffic. You may not like buses and their passengers much, that's up to you, but you shouldn't let your prejudice get in the way of a rational argument.
[quote][p][bold]Parkie[/bold] wrote: The traffic through Kennington has become a nightmare since everyone is avoiding the A34, especially the amount of bus traffic. I hope the council will consider resurfacing the already worn out roads along this route. it is a residential village so commuters can have no complaints if they choose this route. They can always use the A34.[/p][/quote]'THe amount of bus traffic'... what are you on about? Even if every bus between Ox and Abingdon were to go through Kennington it would amount to around 15 per hour - one every four minutes, and a miniscule percentage of overall traffic. You may not like buses and their passengers much, that's up to you, but you shouldn't let your prejudice get in the way of a rational argument. King Joke
  • Score: 0

12:24pm Fri 5 Sep 14

RichardS2009 says...

The report blaming the bin lorry is simply inaccurate. Over the last few weeks there has been a near constant stream of vehicles heading through Kennington towards Oxford. Majority being cars with on occupant. With this level of traffic vehicles heading the other way struggle to make progress past parked cars.
Don't blame parked cars, bin lorries or cyclists...blame selfish drivers who don't leave gaps.
Oxford must do more to encourage public transport use, cycling and car sharing.
The report blaming the bin lorry is simply inaccurate. Over the last few weeks there has been a near constant stream of vehicles heading through Kennington towards Oxford. Majority being cars with on occupant. With this level of traffic vehicles heading the other way struggle to make progress past parked cars. Don't blame parked cars, bin lorries or cyclists...blame selfish drivers who don't leave gaps. Oxford must do more to encourage public transport use, cycling and car sharing. RichardS2009
  • Score: 12

1:09pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

RichardS2009 wrote:
The report blaming the bin lorry is simply inaccurate. Over the last few weeks there has been a near constant stream of vehicles heading through Kennington towards Oxford. Majority being cars with on occupant. With this level of traffic vehicles heading the other way struggle to make progress past parked cars.
Don't blame parked cars, bin lorries or cyclists...blame selfish drivers who don't leave gaps.
Oxford must do more to encourage public transport use, cycling and car sharing.
I blame selfish "Activists" who'll do anything to prevent communities mixing and integrating.

A simple couple of miles of new road and new Thames Bridge would link the A4074 south of Sandford with the Abingdon distribution road near Radley. Giving the people of Sandford, Littlemore and the Leys access to their closest mainline railway station as well as relieving pressure on the centre of historic Abingdon on Thames.

Residential development could then take place on this arc of prosperity which could be well served by public transport between Oxford & Abingdon.
[quote][p][bold]RichardS2009[/bold] wrote: The report blaming the bin lorry is simply inaccurate. Over the last few weeks there has been a near constant stream of vehicles heading through Kennington towards Oxford. Majority being cars with on occupant. With this level of traffic vehicles heading the other way struggle to make progress past parked cars. Don't blame parked cars, bin lorries or cyclists...blame selfish drivers who don't leave gaps. Oxford must do more to encourage public transport use, cycling and car sharing.[/p][/quote]I blame selfish "Activists" who'll do anything to prevent communities mixing and integrating. A simple couple of miles of new road and new Thames Bridge would link the A4074 south of Sandford with the Abingdon distribution road near Radley. Giving the people of Sandford, Littlemore and the Leys access to their closest mainline railway station as well as relieving pressure on the centre of historic Abingdon on Thames. Residential development could then take place on this arc of prosperity which could be well served by public transport between Oxford & Abingdon. Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 6

1:12pm Fri 5 Sep 14

colbart says...

Not only when bin lorries/Refuse collection days. Today it started to build up again, (Oxford bound traffic). Traffic coming from/through St Swithins Road. Then the few parked cars, on opposite side, creates a kind of leapfrogging (cars passing then having to suddenly slip into a gap, to avoid the queue on the opposite side).
Not only when bin lorries/Refuse collection days. Today it started to build up again, (Oxford bound traffic). Traffic coming from/through St Swithins Road. Then the few parked cars, on opposite side, creates a kind of leapfrogging (cars passing then having to suddenly slip into a gap, to avoid the queue on the opposite side). colbart
  • Score: 2

1:48pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Parkie says...

Danny A wrote:
Yep the queues were (are) not caused by the bin lorry. It's presence and movement is predictable, its presence is also essential. The Kennington queues are caused by large numbers of drivers coming from Abingdon (direction) and trying to avoid the A34/ring road. Including some using the wholly unsuitable Bagley Wood road which is about as wide as a Ford Fiesta. Parked cars on the Kennington road are more of an issue because they don't move on unlike the bin lorry and Coop delivery truck.
Completely agree, especially the parked cars, it should be double yellow all the way from the tandem pub to the bridge. The houses with the cars parked outside have driveways suitable for 2-3 cars!
[quote][p][bold]Danny A[/bold] wrote: Yep the queues were (are) not caused by the bin lorry. It's presence and movement is predictable, its presence is also essential. The Kennington queues are caused by large numbers of drivers coming from Abingdon (direction) and trying to avoid the A34/ring road. Including some using the wholly unsuitable Bagley Wood road which is about as wide as a Ford Fiesta. Parked cars on the Kennington road are more of an issue because they don't move on unlike the bin lorry and Coop delivery truck.[/p][/quote]Completely agree, especially the parked cars, it should be double yellow all the way from the tandem pub to the bridge. The houses with the cars parked outside have driveways suitable for 2-3 cars! Parkie
  • Score: 9

1:54pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Parkie says...

King Joke wrote:
Parkie wrote:
The traffic through Kennington has become a nightmare since everyone is avoiding the A34, especially the amount of bus traffic.

I hope the council will consider resurfacing the already worn out roads along this route.


it is a residential village so commuters can have no complaints if they choose this route. They can always use the A34.
'THe amount of bus traffic'... what are you on about? Even if every bus between Ox and Abingdon were to go through Kennington it would amount to around 15 per hour - one every four minutes, and a miniscule percentage of overall traffic. You may not like buses and their passengers much, that's up to you, but you shouldn't let your prejudice get in the way of a rational argument.
Im a bus user i regularly take that route as well as cycle it.

The roads through Kennington are not capable of holding such extra traffic, cars buses or otherwise, as the roads are already completely worn out.

Sometimes it is actually quicker on the A34,going north in the morning, than diverting through the villages.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkie[/bold] wrote: The traffic through Kennington has become a nightmare since everyone is avoiding the A34, especially the amount of bus traffic. I hope the council will consider resurfacing the already worn out roads along this route. it is a residential village so commuters can have no complaints if they choose this route. They can always use the A34.[/p][/quote]'THe amount of bus traffic'... what are you on about? Even if every bus between Ox and Abingdon were to go through Kennington it would amount to around 15 per hour - one every four minutes, and a miniscule percentage of overall traffic. You may not like buses and their passengers much, that's up to you, but you shouldn't let your prejudice get in the way of a rational argument.[/p][/quote]Im a bus user i regularly take that route as well as cycle it. The roads through Kennington are not capable of holding such extra traffic, cars buses or otherwise, as the roads are already completely worn out. Sometimes it is actually quicker on the A34,going north in the morning, than diverting through the villages. Parkie
  • Score: 2

1:58pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Parkie says...

King Joke wrote:
Parkie wrote:
The traffic through Kennington has become a nightmare since everyone is avoiding the A34, especially the amount of bus traffic.

I hope the council will consider resurfacing the already worn out roads along this route.


it is a residential village so commuters can have no complaints if they choose this route. They can always use the A34.
'THe amount of bus traffic'... what are you on about? Even if every bus between Ox and Abingdon were to go through Kennington it would amount to around 15 per hour - one every four minutes, and a miniscule percentage of overall traffic. You may not like buses and their passengers much, that's up to you, but you shouldn't let your prejudice get in the way of a rational argument.
Fancy your predjudices labelling me as an anti bus pro car supporter.

I have travelled that route regularly for 20+ years and I have never seen it so busy.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkie[/bold] wrote: The traffic through Kennington has become a nightmare since everyone is avoiding the A34, especially the amount of bus traffic. I hope the council will consider resurfacing the already worn out roads along this route. it is a residential village so commuters can have no complaints if they choose this route. They can always use the A34.[/p][/quote]'THe amount of bus traffic'... what are you on about? Even if every bus between Ox and Abingdon were to go through Kennington it would amount to around 15 per hour - one every four minutes, and a miniscule percentage of overall traffic. You may not like buses and their passengers much, that's up to you, but you shouldn't let your prejudice get in the way of a rational argument.[/p][/quote]Fancy your predjudices labelling me as an anti bus pro car supporter. I have travelled that route regularly for 20+ years and I have never seen it so busy. Parkie
  • Score: 2

8:04pm Fri 5 Sep 14

the trooth says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
RichardS2009 wrote:
The report blaming the bin lorry is simply inaccurate. Over the last few weeks there has been a near constant stream of vehicles heading through Kennington towards Oxford. Majority being cars with on occupant. With this level of traffic vehicles heading the other way struggle to make progress past parked cars.
Don't blame parked cars, bin lorries or cyclists...blame selfish drivers who don't leave gaps.
Oxford must do more to encourage public transport use, cycling and car sharing.
I blame selfish "Activists" who'll do anything to prevent communities mixing and integrating.

A simple couple of miles of new road and new Thames Bridge would link the A4074 south of Sandford with the Abingdon distribution road near Radley. Giving the people of Sandford, Littlemore and the Leys access to their closest mainline railway station as well as relieving pressure on the centre of historic Abingdon on Thames.

Residential development could then take place on this arc of prosperity which could be well served by public transport between Oxford & Abingdon.
A road and bridge connecting Sandford and Abingdon is a great idea. It would ease the pressure on the Oxford ring-road tremendously.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RichardS2009[/bold] wrote: The report blaming the bin lorry is simply inaccurate. Over the last few weeks there has been a near constant stream of vehicles heading through Kennington towards Oxford. Majority being cars with on occupant. With this level of traffic vehicles heading the other way struggle to make progress past parked cars. Don't blame parked cars, bin lorries or cyclists...blame selfish drivers who don't leave gaps. Oxford must do more to encourage public transport use, cycling and car sharing.[/p][/quote]I blame selfish "Activists" who'll do anything to prevent communities mixing and integrating. A simple couple of miles of new road and new Thames Bridge would link the A4074 south of Sandford with the Abingdon distribution road near Radley. Giving the people of Sandford, Littlemore and the Leys access to their closest mainline railway station as well as relieving pressure on the centre of historic Abingdon on Thames. Residential development could then take place on this arc of prosperity which could be well served by public transport between Oxford & Abingdon.[/p][/quote]A road and bridge connecting Sandford and Abingdon is a great idea. It would ease the pressure on the Oxford ring-road tremendously. the trooth
  • Score: 0

4:02pm Wed 10 Sep 14

The New Private Eye says...

King Joke wrote:
Parkie wrote:
The traffic through Kennington has become a nightmare since everyone is avoiding the A34, especially the amount of bus traffic.

I hope the council will consider resurfacing the already worn out roads along this route.


it is a residential village so commuters can have no complaints if they choose this route. They can always use the A34.
'THe amount of bus traffic'... what are you on about? Even if every bus between Ox and Abingdon were to go through Kennington it would amount to around 15 per hour - one every four minutes, and a miniscule percentage of overall traffic. You may not like buses and their passengers much, that's up to you, but you shouldn't let your prejudice get in the way of a rational argument.
One bus stopping will cause a minute or two of tail backs, times that by an extra 13 buses per hour then you have major tailbacks. I recently done a study on Cowley Road between the hours of 10am till 1pm Eastbound and 1pm till 3pm Westbound. I done this study outside of school run times to get a realistic picture. The results showed that when there were buses Eastbound blocking the road at the Princess Street and Manzil Way stops the traffic backed up past Jeune Street all the way to the stop East of Madgalen Road, yet in the 15 minute spell when there were no buses, due to being held up at the Carfax and Queens Lane stops the traffic flowed freely, and the same applied Westbound without buses blocking the road by Leon close and outside KFC. The conclusion of my report is that the buses cause the congestion, especially because they do not pull into the bus stop fully but deliberately sit in the road to facilitate their journey after dropping passengers. This is not only anti-social driving, but shows a complete lack of respect for normal road users. I will not add my personal opinion to the facts above, but any driver that uses Cowley Road will have seen the same. And now The Bus Companies are repeating it in Kennington, by using it as a RAT RUN to avoid the congestion on The A34. So the next time The Bus Companies complain about anything, they have lost the moral high ground, due to making the Kennington residents lives a living hell through their actions. Nuff Said
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkie[/bold] wrote: The traffic through Kennington has become a nightmare since everyone is avoiding the A34, especially the amount of bus traffic. I hope the council will consider resurfacing the already worn out roads along this route. it is a residential village so commuters can have no complaints if they choose this route. They can always use the A34.[/p][/quote]'THe amount of bus traffic'... what are you on about? Even if every bus between Ox and Abingdon were to go through Kennington it would amount to around 15 per hour - one every four minutes, and a miniscule percentage of overall traffic. You may not like buses and their passengers much, that's up to you, but you shouldn't let your prejudice get in the way of a rational argument.[/p][/quote]One bus stopping will cause a minute or two of tail backs, times that by an extra 13 buses per hour then you have major tailbacks. I recently done a study on Cowley Road between the hours of 10am till 1pm Eastbound and 1pm till 3pm Westbound. I done this study outside of school run times to get a realistic picture. The results showed that when there were buses Eastbound blocking the road at the Princess Street and Manzil Way stops the traffic backed up past Jeune Street all the way to the stop East of Madgalen Road, yet in the 15 minute spell when there were no buses, due to being held up at the Carfax and Queens Lane stops the traffic flowed freely, and the same applied Westbound without buses blocking the road by Leon close and outside KFC. The conclusion of my report is that the buses cause the congestion, especially because they do not pull into the bus stop fully but deliberately sit in the road to facilitate their journey after dropping passengers. This is not only anti-social driving, but shows a complete lack of respect for normal road users. I will not add my personal opinion to the facts above, but any driver that uses Cowley Road will have seen the same. And now The Bus Companies are repeating it in Kennington, by using it as a RAT RUN to avoid the congestion on The A34. So the next time The Bus Companies complain about anything, they have lost the moral high ground, due to making the Kennington residents lives a living hell through their actions. Nuff Said The New Private Eye
  • Score: 1

4:14pm Wed 10 Sep 14

The New Private Eye says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
RichardS2009 wrote:
The report blaming the bin lorry is simply inaccurate. Over the last few weeks there has been a near constant stream of vehicles heading through Kennington towards Oxford. Majority being cars with on occupant. With this level of traffic vehicles heading the other way struggle to make progress past parked cars.
Don't blame parked cars, bin lorries or cyclists...blame selfish drivers who don't leave gaps.
Oxford must do more to encourage public transport use, cycling and car sharing.
I blame selfish "Activists" who'll do anything to prevent communities mixing and integrating.

A simple couple of miles of new road and new Thames Bridge would link the A4074 south of Sandford with the Abingdon distribution road near Radley. Giving the people of Sandford, Littlemore and the Leys access to their closest mainline railway station as well as relieving pressure on the centre of historic Abingdon on Thames.

Residential development could then take place on this arc of prosperity which could be well served by public transport between Oxford & Abingdon.
Andrew, the voice of reason once again. But as you say there is no chance because the "activists" will be out in force to stop anything that will improve our lives
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RichardS2009[/bold] wrote: The report blaming the bin lorry is simply inaccurate. Over the last few weeks there has been a near constant stream of vehicles heading through Kennington towards Oxford. Majority being cars with on occupant. With this level of traffic vehicles heading the other way struggle to make progress past parked cars. Don't blame parked cars, bin lorries or cyclists...blame selfish drivers who don't leave gaps. Oxford must do more to encourage public transport use, cycling and car sharing.[/p][/quote]I blame selfish "Activists" who'll do anything to prevent communities mixing and integrating. A simple couple of miles of new road and new Thames Bridge would link the A4074 south of Sandford with the Abingdon distribution road near Radley. Giving the people of Sandford, Littlemore and the Leys access to their closest mainline railway station as well as relieving pressure on the centre of historic Abingdon on Thames. Residential development could then take place on this arc of prosperity which could be well served by public transport between Oxford & Abingdon.[/p][/quote]Andrew, the voice of reason once again. But as you say there is no chance because the "activists" will be out in force to stop anything that will improve our lives The New Private Eye
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