A34? I'll see what I can do

Traffic queueing on the southbound A34 approaching the Botley Interchange yesterday morning

Traffic queueing on the southbound A34 approaching the Botley Interchange yesterday morning

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CASH to help congestion on the A34 could be on the way after the Chancellor of the Exchequer agreed to discuss the issue with an Oxfordshire MP.

George Osborne promised to meet Oxford West and Abingdon MP Nicola Blackwood after she raised it in the House of Commons.

The A34 has previously been branded one of the worst roads in the country, with records showing decades of congestion, accident blackspots and numerous safety campaigns.

Up to 79,000 vehicles use the Oxfordshire stretch of the key link road every day and motorists are constantly facing miles of gridlocked traffic and delays to their journeys.

As children went back to school yesterday, traffic backed up along the A34 past Radley and up to the Pear Tree interchange because of the continuing roadworks at Kennington roundabout, where Oxfordshire County Council is creating a “hamburger” junction.

Ms Blackwood has previously called for “urgent” investment and in March was promised by the Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin that the Government recognised the need to improve the infrastructure.

This week she questioned the Chancellor about specific funding to open up the Lodge Hill junction of the A34 to southbound traffic. Vale of White Horse District Council wants to build 610 new homes in North Abingdon, which could bring an extra 900 cars to the area.

Oxford Mail:

Nicola Blackwood

Yesterday, Conservative MP Ms Blackwood said while she’d be specifically raising plans for a diamond junction – which has slip roads in both directions leaving and getting on to the dual carriageway – at Lodge Hill, she would also be raising concerns about the need for investment along the A34 generally.

She said: “The focus of the meeting will be the specific problems in Abingdon. I don’t think development is sensible without a diamond junction at Lodge Hill so we will make the case for that in particular but also for improvements on the A34 as a whole.

“We need housing growth but we need the infrastructure to support it and we want improvements as quickly as possible.

“There are barriers to widening the A34 at Botley and Port Meadow and there are improvements that can be made without doing that. All the junctions in my constituency need addressing, so we need to work on Marcham and Pear Tree.”

Oxford Mail:

Responding to her question in the Commons, Mr Osborne, pictured, said: “We are making an enormous number of improvements to the UK road system and spending more on transport and road improvement than the previous Government.

“We are also investing in science, and I remember making a useful visit with my honourable friend to her constituency to see the results of the money that we have contributed to Begbroke Science Park. I will certainly have a meeting with her about the A34.”

Plans are already in the pipeline to improve the Milton and Chilton interchanges, while the Kennington works include the creation of a slip road from the Southern Bypass on to the A34.

Matthew Barber, the leader of Vale of the White Horse District Council, said plans for the diamond junction were being drawn up and he said early indications were that the scheme would be feasible.

City council leader Bob Price agreed that work to improve the A34 would need to happen swiftly to help Oxfordshire’s economy. He said: “If we are to achieve economic growth and the business that we want to see in Oxfordshire then the A34 and A40 have very significant contributions to make.

“The A34 is one of a series of traffic problems that the city and city area faces and it is particularly bad for traffic coming in from Abingdon and the South.”

Jack Godfrey, a director of Stanford in the Vale-based haulage firm J Godfrey & Sons, said: “There is so much traffic that goes on the A34 it is unbelievable. Our drvers try to avoid it but there is nowhere else to go because of weight limits. Over the year it probably costs us £5,000 in wasted time.”

Oxford East MP Andrew Smith said: “Nicola and I have spoken about this. The A34 affects us all in Oxfordshire and I strongly support any improvements which can be secured, and will do all I can to help.”

A date for the meeting has not yet been set.

What has been done already

  • Work on building two north-facing slip roads at the Chilton Interchange is set to start by the end of the year
  • Turning the Milton Interchange into a hamburger roundabout is also set to begin by December
  • The Highways Agency has been working to improve traffic flow at the Wendlebury Interchange near Bicester by widening the lanes and including sensors
  • Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound.
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9:14am Thu 4 Sep 14

Miss Cynical says...

Credit where it's due to Nicola Blackwood.

It's all very well us continually moaning about the A34 but political action might well be more effective at tackling the issue.

As someone who uses the A34 and Hinksey/Kennington roundabouts daily, I am grateful she's taking this seriously.
Credit where it's due to Nicola Blackwood. It's all very well us continually moaning about the A34 but political action might well be more effective at tackling the issue. As someone who uses the A34 and Hinksey/Kennington roundabouts daily, I am grateful she's taking this seriously. Miss Cynical
  • Score: 13

9:16am Thu 4 Sep 14

Whitto says...

Lovely idea but just need to remember a few points:
1. These roadworks should not inconvienience anyone especially me.
2. The works should only be done at times when Tallulah and Tarquin are not being driven half a mile to their private school in our BMW/Audi/Porsche 4×4.
3. The works should not cause any delays to anyone as the immediate here and now is more important than the long term picture.
4. The press reserve the right to publish story after story about delays which they earlier supported.
Lovely idea but just need to remember a few points: 1. These roadworks should not inconvienience anyone especially me. 2. The works should only be done at times when Tallulah and Tarquin are not being driven half a mile to their private school in our BMW/Audi/Porsche 4×4. 3. The works should not cause any delays to anyone as the immediate here and now is more important than the long term picture. 4. The press reserve the right to publish story after story about delays which they earlier supported. Whitto
  • Score: 16

9:29am Thu 4 Sep 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

"Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........

.........Really? So where's that going to be then.
The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.
"Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........ .........Really? So where's that going to be then. The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 9

9:32am Thu 4 Sep 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

What is really needed is a new motorway arcing from Swindon, past Didcot, to the M40, around Aylesbury, Milton Keynes Cambridge and onto Norwich.

This would divert almost all through traffic away from Oxford, relieve the congested A34 & A420 and improve the lives of many communities en-route who are on cross-country through routes.

It would also keep the notorious Oxford(shire) faction of the CPRE busy for years!
What is really needed is a new motorway arcing from Swindon, past Didcot, to the M40, around Aylesbury, Milton Keynes Cambridge and onto Norwich. This would divert almost all through traffic away from Oxford, relieve the congested A34 & A420 and improve the lives of many communities en-route who are on cross-country through routes. It would also keep the notorious Oxford(shire) faction of the CPRE busy for years! Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 5

9:56am Thu 4 Sep 14

West Oxon Webwatcher says...

Last year I had to travel from to North Nottinghamshire and left the M1 at leicester to use the A46. This roads has recently been dualled (to a higher standard than the A34 with hard shoulders but i was amazed at the lack of traffic, admittedly, it was off-peak. Motoring along it was a pleasure, just like it was years ago.
I would like to know how funds could be made available for the A46 but next to nothing for the A34.
Last year I had to travel from to North Nottinghamshire and left the M1 at leicester to use the A46. This roads has recently been dualled (to a higher standard than the A34 with hard shoulders but i was amazed at the lack of traffic, admittedly, it was off-peak. Motoring along it was a pleasure, just like it was years ago. I would like to know how funds could be made available for the A46 but next to nothing for the A34. West Oxon Webwatcher
  • Score: 15

11:42am Thu 4 Sep 14

King Joke says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
What is really needed is a new motorway arcing from Swindon, past Didcot, to the M40, around Aylesbury, Milton Keynes Cambridge and onto Norwich.

This would divert almost all through traffic away from Oxford, relieve the congested A34 & A420 and improve the lives of many communities en-route who are on cross-country through routes.

It would also keep the notorious Oxford(shire) faction of the CPRE busy for years!
Andrew we learned years ago that building new motorways simply generates more traffic. You're sounding like a scratched record, any chance of a sensible idea?
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: What is really needed is a new motorway arcing from Swindon, past Didcot, to the M40, around Aylesbury, Milton Keynes Cambridge and onto Norwich. This would divert almost all through traffic away from Oxford, relieve the congested A34 & A420 and improve the lives of many communities en-route who are on cross-country through routes. It would also keep the notorious Oxford(shire) faction of the CPRE busy for years![/p][/quote]Andrew we learned years ago that building new motorways simply generates more traffic. You're sounding like a scratched record, any chance of a sensible idea? King Joke
  • Score: -1

11:47am Thu 4 Sep 14

King Joke says...

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
"Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........


.........Really? So where's that going to be then.
The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.
The primary purpose of the A34 is to carry containerised freight from Southampton Docks to the Midlands. It is not to carry large volumes of singly-occupied car traffic, and much of that on short journeys, which is what it is doing now, and which causes the capacity crunch we see daily. We should not entertain throttling lorry capacity, as virtually everything we use and eat has travelled by lorry. Adding a third lane would be pointless as it would fill with cars within a couple of years and the road would be as congested as ever.
[quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: "Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........ .........Really? So where's that going to be then. The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.[/p][/quote]The primary purpose of the A34 is to carry containerised freight from Southampton Docks to the Midlands. It is not to carry large volumes of singly-occupied car traffic, and much of that on short journeys, which is what it is doing now, and which causes the capacity crunch we see daily. We should not entertain throttling lorry capacity, as virtually everything we use and eat has travelled by lorry. Adding a third lane would be pointless as it would fill with cars within a couple of years and the road would be as congested as ever. King Joke
  • Score: -9

11:51am Thu 4 Sep 14

Jonquil87 says...

How about take some action against the inconsiderate motorists that use the 'Ahead only' lane and cutting in on the people who have waited in the CORRECT lane, only to be pushed back 2,3,4... spaces by these people that think the signs/rules do not apply to them!!
How about take some action against the inconsiderate motorists that use the 'Ahead only' lane and cutting in on the people who have waited in the CORRECT lane, only to be pushed back 2,3,4... spaces by these people that think the signs/rules do not apply to them!! Jonquil87
  • Score: 18

12:04pm Thu 4 Sep 14

the wizard says...

If Nicola Blackwood can ask questions and get funding looked at for the A34 then why isn't Cameron ( I'll still be your MP and will not let national topics stop me from looking at local issues) doing the same over the A40 which is just a big a headache for those that use it with the daily 14/15 miles tailbacks for years and years. WHY isn't Cameron getting something done instead of paying lip service to OCC.

Double Drip Dave the man who loves a photo opportunity lacking in drive, lacking in spine,lacking in action over local issues, but still wants to be the "BIG I AM" and world policeman when it comes to sticking his nose into other countries affairs. About time you started looking after those at home first for a change.

Come on Cameron, lets have some action on the A40 if you have the drive, will and compunction to make it happen, are you up for it ? I and all your West Oxon population question your commitment to improving our main route. So far you have failed, and the feeling amongst the population is you will continue to avoid this over bearing issue as you have done so far. Lets face it, this constituency is being used as a convenience to get you into office and nothing else. You can respond by improving our traveling infra structure and if you can fund a war then you can fund this.
If Nicola Blackwood can ask questions and get funding looked at for the A34 then why isn't Cameron ( I'll still be your MP and will not let national topics stop me from looking at local issues) doing the same over the A40 which is just a big a headache for those that use it with the daily 14/15 miles tailbacks for years and years. WHY isn't Cameron getting something done instead of paying lip service to OCC. Double Drip Dave the man who loves a photo opportunity lacking in drive, lacking in spine,lacking in action over local issues, but still wants to be the "BIG I AM" and world policeman when it comes to sticking his nose into other countries affairs. About time you started looking after those at home first for a change. Come on Cameron, lets have some action on the A40 if you have the drive, will and compunction to make it happen, are you up for it ? I and all your West Oxon population question your commitment to improving our main route. So far you have failed, and the feeling amongst the population is you will continue to avoid this over bearing issue as you have done so far. Lets face it, this constituency is being used as a convenience to get you into office and nothing else. You can respond by improving our traveling infra structure and if you can fund a war then you can fund this. the wizard
  • Score: 9

12:08pm Thu 4 Sep 14

OxfordRob says...

A slip road at lodge hill to the A34 for North Abingdon to go South is certainly a good idea as that will help ease so much traffic in and around Abingdon and I agree that once the works have finally completed with Hinksey hill roundabout that it will get better.

The immediate issue though has to be STILL addressing the lights and the free for all attitude at the Hinksey hill roundabout now whilst work is still going. It is such a mess with no one obeying the law and blocking entrance and exits plus going when red on the lights. WHY is no one policing or monitoring it. Get that right and all the morning and evening traffic will sail with the contraflow.
A slip road at lodge hill to the A34 for North Abingdon to go South is certainly a good idea as that will help ease so much traffic in and around Abingdon and I agree that once the works have finally completed with Hinksey hill roundabout that it will get better. The immediate issue though has to be STILL addressing the lights and the free for all attitude at the Hinksey hill roundabout now whilst work is still going. It is such a mess with no one obeying the law and blocking entrance and exits plus going when red on the lights. WHY is no one policing or monitoring it. Get that right and all the morning and evening traffic will sail with the contraflow. OxfordRob
  • Score: 5

12:45pm Thu 4 Sep 14

the wizard says...

Building an extra lane from the M40 interchange to Milton would help and a strict no truck overtaking measure put in place would also be of benefit.

The extra lane would not attract more traffic, as the main dual carriageway was built many years ago car usage has grown with the population and work opportunities along this stretch of road. Car transporters from Mini at Cowley and the mass warehousing at Milton/Didcot are local contributors to HGV traffic. Add to that the non staggered working hours of firms and the national increase in traffic since the A34 in it's present guise was first built.

Policing issues are there to be not seen,in fact I cannot remember the last time I saw a police presence on the A34 carrying out routine work and patrolling to keep some wayward motorists in order. Tailgating is illegal but no enforcement is in place and that then leads to accidents, because God moved the junction last night when nobody was watching and Tom Dick and Harry are all too busy on their phones to notice and hey bingo, yet another "accident".

You can blame planners for putting all the warehousing in one place, you could also blame companies for not staggering their start times, you can also blames Highways and OCC for not pushing for the upgrade to motorway status, and again the Police for their apparent absence, but most of the blame comes down to the individual for not allowing enough time, not considering others with bad road manners, or even not living appropriately closer to work or getting a job closer to their home as it is. The fault lays with over reliance on the car and with local planners for just chucking up work places and houses with no real alternatives to the car in the first instance. Lack of effective public transport or proper cycle tracks and no incentive to break the British way of life and come into the 21st century with some real time alternatives.

NO, we continue to paint ourselves into a corner continuing with the same old bad practices and methods because, well, we've always done it that way. That way is broken and no loner fit for purpose. We need to change, but we won't because we are too stuck in our ways, too lazy, too idle and can't find solutions because Tom Dick and Harry love driving to work while on the phone and pushing in at the front of the queue, and until that culture is forced to change nothing will happen, but by then housing will have been built on all the available space, painted back into that corner once more.

Leadership,choice and alternatives are not forthcoming from OCC, a major culprit which does not allow for the future, the solution being somebody at the top of the council taking a firm hand and working to solve issues which start with an infra structure being put in place first for local travel which is realistic and encourages people to leave the car at home,before any more residential developments are started . The change needs to start as soon as possible and incentives given to firms to stagger their times and give employees more flexible hours so as to stagger holdups especially when major works are taking place.

Sorry for the long post.
Building an extra lane from the M40 interchange to Milton would help and a strict no truck overtaking measure put in place would also be of benefit. The extra lane would not attract more traffic, as the main dual carriageway was built many years ago car usage has grown with the population and work opportunities along this stretch of road. Car transporters from Mini at Cowley and the mass warehousing at Milton/Didcot are local contributors to HGV traffic. Add to that the non staggered working hours of firms and the national increase in traffic since the A34 in it's present guise was first built. Policing issues are there to be not seen,in fact I cannot remember the last time I saw a police presence on the A34 carrying out routine work and patrolling to keep some wayward motorists in order. Tailgating is illegal but no enforcement is in place and that then leads to accidents, because God moved the junction last night when nobody was watching and Tom Dick and Harry are all too busy on their phones to notice and hey bingo, yet another "accident". You can blame planners for putting all the warehousing in one place, you could also blame companies for not staggering their start times, you can also blames Highways and OCC for not pushing for the upgrade to motorway status, and again the Police for their apparent absence, but most of the blame comes down to the individual for not allowing enough time, not considering others with bad road manners, or even not living appropriately closer to work or getting a job closer to their home as it is. The fault lays with over reliance on the car and with local planners for just chucking up work places and houses with no real alternatives to the car in the first instance. Lack of effective public transport or proper cycle tracks and no incentive to break the British way of life and come into the 21st century with some real time alternatives. NO, we continue to paint ourselves into a corner continuing with the same old bad practices and methods because, well, we've always done it that way. That way is broken and no loner fit for purpose. We need to change, but we won't because we are too stuck in our ways, too lazy, too idle and can't find solutions because Tom Dick and Harry love driving to work while on the phone and pushing in at the front of the queue, and until that culture is forced to change nothing will happen, but by then housing will have been built on all the available space, painted back into that corner once more. Leadership,choice and alternatives are not forthcoming from OCC, a major culprit which does not allow for the future, the solution being somebody at the top of the council taking a firm hand and working to solve issues which start with an infra structure being put in place first for local travel which is realistic and encourages people to leave the car at home,before any more residential developments are started . The change needs to start as soon as possible and incentives given to firms to stagger their times and give employees more flexible hours so as to stagger holdups especially when major works are taking place. Sorry for the long post. the wizard
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Thu 4 Sep 14

King Joke says...

Refusing planning permission for that distastrous car-based business park at the Northern Gateway would be a start, too.
Refusing planning permission for that distastrous car-based business park at the Northern Gateway would be a start, too. King Joke
  • Score: 11

1:42pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Richard of Wantage says...

Instead of a 3rd lane, cancel HS2 and spend the money on a north/south rail-line linking Southampton, Newbury, Oxford, Bicester and onwards up to Glasgow. This could remove long distance freight off the A34 and reduce costs for exports. But no, Brummies' need their extra half hour in bed while we spend an extra hour on the A34.
Instead of a 3rd lane, cancel HS2 and spend the money on a north/south rail-line linking Southampton, Newbury, Oxford, Bicester and onwards up to Glasgow. This could remove long distance freight off the A34 and reduce costs for exports. But no, Brummies' need their extra half hour in bed while we spend an extra hour on the A34. Richard of Wantage
  • Score: 8

1:52pm Thu 4 Sep 14

blundelo says...

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
"Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........


.........Really? So where's that going to be then.
The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.
The "slip road" they mention is actually a filter lane at the Hinksey Hill roundabout, enabling traffic from the clockwise carriageway of the A423 Southern Bypass (coming from the Kennington roundabout) to pass directly onto the A34 southbound entry slip road without having to stop at the traffic lights on the roundabout itself.
[quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: "Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........ .........Really? So where's that going to be then. The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.[/p][/quote]The "slip road" they mention is actually a filter lane at the Hinksey Hill roundabout, enabling traffic from the clockwise carriageway of the A423 Southern Bypass (coming from the Kennington roundabout) to pass directly onto the A34 southbound entry slip road without having to stop at the traffic lights on the roundabout itself. blundelo
  • Score: 3

2:01pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

the wizard wrote:
If Nicola Blackwood can ask questions and get funding looked at for the A34 then why isn't Cameron ( I'll still be your MP and will not let national topics stop me from looking at local issues) doing the same over the A40 which is just a big a headache for those that use it with the daily 14/15 miles tailbacks for years and years. WHY isn't Cameron getting something done instead of paying lip service to OCC.

Double Drip Dave the man who loves a photo opportunity lacking in drive, lacking in spine,lacking in action over local issues, but still wants to be the "BIG I AM" and world policeman when it comes to sticking his nose into other countries affairs. About time you started looking after those at home first for a change.

Come on Cameron, lets have some action on the A40 if you have the drive, will and compunction to make it happen, are you up for it ? I and all your West Oxon population question your commitment to improving our main route. So far you have failed, and the feeling amongst the population is you will continue to avoid this over bearing issue as you have done so far. Lets face it, this constituency is being used as a convenience to get you into office and nothing else. You can respond by improving our traveling infra structure and if you can fund a war then you can fund this.
One of the problems of a PM funding major infrastructure improvement on his back door is the perception of the personal benefit to him.

Just look at the current outcry in Scotland over Nicola Sturgeon nationalising Prestwick Airport - where her mother is Provost...
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: If Nicola Blackwood can ask questions and get funding looked at for the A34 then why isn't Cameron ( I'll still be your MP and will not let national topics stop me from looking at local issues) doing the same over the A40 which is just a big a headache for those that use it with the daily 14/15 miles tailbacks for years and years. WHY isn't Cameron getting something done instead of paying lip service to OCC. Double Drip Dave the man who loves a photo opportunity lacking in drive, lacking in spine,lacking in action over local issues, but still wants to be the "BIG I AM" and world policeman when it comes to sticking his nose into other countries affairs. About time you started looking after those at home first for a change. Come on Cameron, lets have some action on the A40 if you have the drive, will and compunction to make it happen, are you up for it ? I and all your West Oxon population question your commitment to improving our main route. So far you have failed, and the feeling amongst the population is you will continue to avoid this over bearing issue as you have done so far. Lets face it, this constituency is being used as a convenience to get you into office and nothing else. You can respond by improving our traveling infra structure and if you can fund a war then you can fund this.[/p][/quote]One of the problems of a PM funding major infrastructure improvement on his back door is the perception of the personal benefit to him. Just look at the current outcry in Scotland over Nicola Sturgeon nationalising Prestwick Airport - where her mother is Provost... Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 2

2:19pm Thu 4 Sep 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

now now now, not to lower your expectations, but first things first, Gorgeous George said he would "Look into" improving the Dawlish Railway line, and we all know where that has ended up.. A patchup and a "forget it" to the upgrading overall.

Now on to HS2, the one reason that is happening still, and one reason only is that it benefits Tory big business AND is a vote winner for all those nasty northerners that live in Leeds, Manchester et all. Nothing more.

So unless you can magic up some votes to be one in several oxfordshire based "Safe tory seats" not a lot is going to happen to the A34 for a verry long time.
now now now, not to lower your expectations, but first things first, Gorgeous George said he would "Look into" improving the Dawlish Railway line, and we all know where that has ended up.. A patchup and a "forget it" to the upgrading overall. Now on to HS2, the one reason that is happening still, and one reason only is that it benefits Tory big business AND is a vote winner for all those nasty northerners that live in Leeds, Manchester et all. Nothing more. So unless you can magic up some votes to be one in several oxfordshire based "Safe tory seats" not a lot is going to happen to the A34 for a verry long time. yabbadabbadoo256
  • Score: 0

2:27pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

King Joke wrote:
Andrew:Oxford wrote:
What is really needed is a new motorway arcing from Swindon, past Didcot, to the M40, around Aylesbury, Milton Keynes Cambridge and onto Norwich.

This would divert almost all through traffic away from Oxford, relieve the congested A34 & A420 and improve the lives of many communities en-route who are on cross-country through routes.

It would also keep the notorious Oxford(shire) faction of the CPRE busy for years!
Andrew we learned years ago that building new motorways simply generates more traffic. You're sounding like a scratched record, any chance of a sensible idea?
So you're advocating building national infrastructure that wouldn't be used?

Isn't that a bit wasteful?

Just try getting to Norwich sometime...

Last time I drove there I counted around 50 roundabouts between Oxford and Norwich. You can count on one hand the number between Oxford & Perth!

I'd take the train, but it needs a 4am departure from Oxford to get there for 9am.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: What is really needed is a new motorway arcing from Swindon, past Didcot, to the M40, around Aylesbury, Milton Keynes Cambridge and onto Norwich. This would divert almost all through traffic away from Oxford, relieve the congested A34 & A420 and improve the lives of many communities en-route who are on cross-country through routes. It would also keep the notorious Oxford(shire) faction of the CPRE busy for years![/p][/quote]Andrew we learned years ago that building new motorways simply generates more traffic. You're sounding like a scratched record, any chance of a sensible idea?[/p][/quote]So you're advocating building national infrastructure that wouldn't be used? Isn't that a bit wasteful? Just try getting to Norwich sometime... Last time I drove there I counted around 50 roundabouts between Oxford and Norwich. You can count on one hand the number between Oxford & Perth! I'd take the train, but it needs a 4am departure from Oxford to get there for 9am. Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 0

2:29pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

yabbadabbadoo256 wrote:
now now now, not to lower your expectations, but first things first, Gorgeous George said he would "Look into" improving the Dawlish Railway line, and we all know where that has ended up.. A patchup and a "forget it" to the upgrading overall.

Now on to HS2, the one reason that is happening still, and one reason only is that it benefits Tory big business AND is a vote winner for all those nasty northerners that live in Leeds, Manchester et all. Nothing more.

So unless you can magic up some votes to be one in several oxfordshire based "Safe tory seats" not a lot is going to happen to the A34 for a verry long time.
Yes, because "big business" is such a bad thing...
[quote][p][bold]yabbadabbadoo256[/bold] wrote: now now now, not to lower your expectations, but first things first, Gorgeous George said he would "Look into" improving the Dawlish Railway line, and we all know where that has ended up.. A patchup and a "forget it" to the upgrading overall. Now on to HS2, the one reason that is happening still, and one reason only is that it benefits Tory big business AND is a vote winner for all those nasty northerners that live in Leeds, Manchester et all. Nothing more. So unless you can magic up some votes to be one in several oxfordshire based "Safe tory seats" not a lot is going to happen to the A34 for a verry long time.[/p][/quote]Yes, because "big business" is such a bad thing... Andrew:Oxford
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2:33pm Thu 4 Sep 14

King Joke says...

No, I'm advocating building infrastructure that will provide an alternative to the widely-discredited 'predict and provide' mentalilty of the past sixty years. The relative ease of your drive to Norwich shows just how under-invested the rail network has been over this period.
No, I'm advocating building infrastructure that will provide an alternative to the widely-discredited 'predict and provide' mentalilty of the past sixty years. The relative ease of your drive to Norwich shows just how under-invested the rail network has been over this period. King Joke
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2:37pm Thu 4 Sep 14

King Joke says...

Oh, and Google shows the 'fifty roundabout' route as taking 3 h 33 min - which are you more pleased with, the 27 mins you saved by not taking the train, or the 3 hours plus you weren't able to work or eat in?
Oh, and Google shows the 'fifty roundabout' route as taking 3 h 33 min - which are you more pleased with, the 27 mins you saved by not taking the train, or the 3 hours plus you weren't able to work or eat in? King Joke
  • Score: 0

2:38pm Thu 4 Sep 14

OxfordRob says...

Jonquil87 wrote:
How about take some action against the inconsiderate motorists that use the 'Ahead only' lane and cutting in on the people who have waited in the CORRECT lane, only to be pushed back 2,3,4... spaces by these people that think the signs/rules do not apply to them!!
I know where you are coming from with that. It winds me up no end to be diligently queuing in the correct lane to see idiots cruise past then try risky last minute swerve actions to cut in to the line. Where is the policing of this and why can't we just have that second lane just coned off completely whilst the work on the contraflow is happening!
[quote][p][bold]Jonquil87[/bold] wrote: How about take some action against the inconsiderate motorists that use the 'Ahead only' lane and cutting in on the people who have waited in the CORRECT lane, only to be pushed back 2,3,4... spaces by these people that think the signs/rules do not apply to them!![/p][/quote]I know where you are coming from with that. It winds me up no end to be diligently queuing in the correct lane to see idiots cruise past then try risky last minute swerve actions to cut in to the line. Where is the policing of this and why can't we just have that second lane just coned off completely whilst the work on the contraflow is happening! OxfordRob
  • Score: 6

2:46pm Thu 4 Sep 14

King Joke says...

King Joke wrote:
Oh, and Google shows the 'fifty roundabout' route as taking 3 h 33 min - which are you more pleased with, the 27 mins you saved by not taking the train, or the 3 hours plus you weren't able to work or eat in?
* 1 h 27 min
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: Oh, and Google shows the 'fifty roundabout' route as taking 3 h 33 min - which are you more pleased with, the 27 mins you saved by not taking the train, or the 3 hours plus you weren't able to work or eat in?[/p][/quote]* 1 h 27 min King Joke
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3:38pm Thu 4 Sep 14

EMBOX2 says...

West Oxon Webwatcher wrote:
Last year I had to travel from to North Nottinghamshire and left the M1 at leicester to use the A46. This roads has recently been dualled (to a higher standard than the A34 with hard shoulders but i was amazed at the lack of traffic, admittedly, it was off-peak. Motoring along it was a pleasure, just like it was years ago.
I would like to know how funds could be made available for the A46 but next to nothing for the A34.
I used to work in Newark, which you would have passed (or maybe even visited?) and the dualling of the A46 has been an amazing success. It was always a nightmare, and was often closed due to accidents.

Fact is, the A34 has had almost no investment for years; even the deep grooves in the road are still there on the southbound side (made when Didcot B was built back in the mid-late 90s, thanks to some over-heavy loads).

Why? Mainly because Oxfordshire CC have other priorities, which is why our roads here are so bad. Look at Kennington; only when the road is actually falling apart will they do anything.
[quote][p][bold]West Oxon Webwatcher[/bold] wrote: Last year I had to travel from to North Nottinghamshire and left the M1 at leicester to use the A46. This roads has recently been dualled (to a higher standard than the A34 with hard shoulders but i was amazed at the lack of traffic, admittedly, it was off-peak. Motoring along it was a pleasure, just like it was years ago. I would like to know how funds could be made available for the A46 but next to nothing for the A34.[/p][/quote]I used to work in Newark, which you would have passed (or maybe even visited?) and the dualling of the A46 has been an amazing success. It was always a nightmare, and was often closed due to accidents. Fact is, the A34 has had almost no investment for years; even the deep grooves in the road are still there on the southbound side (made when Didcot B was built back in the mid-late 90s, thanks to some over-heavy loads). Why? Mainly because Oxfordshire CC have other priorities, which is why our roads here are so bad. Look at Kennington; only when the road is actually falling apart will they do anything. EMBOX2
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4:04pm Thu 4 Sep 14

the ock says...

Anyone would think there was a General Election coming up or something.
Anyone would think there was a General Election coming up or something. the ock
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8:18pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

blundelo wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
"Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........



.........Really? So where's that going to be then.
The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.
The "slip road" they mention is actually a filter lane at the Hinksey Hill roundabout, enabling traffic from the clockwise carriageway of the A423 Southern Bypass (coming from the Kennington roundabout) to pass directly onto the A34 southbound entry slip road without having to stop at the traffic lights on the roundabout itself.
Ah, you mean the new lane they've made, that should be traffic light-free, but has actually had traffic lights installed on it......
[quote][p][bold]blundelo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: "Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........ .........Really? So where's that going to be then. The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.[/p][/quote]The "slip road" they mention is actually a filter lane at the Hinksey Hill roundabout, enabling traffic from the clockwise carriageway of the A423 Southern Bypass (coming from the Kennington roundabout) to pass directly onto the A34 southbound entry slip road without having to stop at the traffic lights on the roundabout itself.[/p][/quote]Ah, you mean the new lane they've made, that should be traffic light-free, but has actually had traffic lights installed on it...... Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 0

9:41pm Thu 4 Sep 14

faatmaan says...

no matter how many junctions are added, the simple maths is that too little carriageway for too many vehicles, at many planners offices there are clear requirements for no development activity bordering the A34, so there obviously is a plan in place ( but not affordable) to widen the A34 , alas all this will lead to is even more traffic from the new housing developments being considered just off it. As it is no longer feasible to move house when you move job, these problems are on going with the spiral worsening as more capacity and buildings are added.The answer may be to filter certain types of traffic by size, no more tractors etc on the A34, but that's a political football to be kicked around.
no matter how many junctions are added, the simple maths is that too little carriageway for too many vehicles, at many planners offices there are clear requirements for no development activity bordering the A34, so there obviously is a plan in place ( but not affordable) to widen the A34 , alas all this will lead to is even more traffic from the new housing developments being considered just off it. As it is no longer feasible to move house when you move job, these problems are on going with the spiral worsening as more capacity and buildings are added.The answer may be to filter certain types of traffic by size, no more tractors etc on the A34, but that's a political football to be kicked around. faatmaan
  • Score: 0

11:19pm Thu 4 Sep 14

the wizard says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
the wizard wrote:
If Nicola Blackwood can ask questions and get funding looked at for the A34 then why isn't Cameron ( I'll still be your MP and will not let national topics stop me from looking at local issues) doing the same over the A40 which is just a big a headache for those that use it with the daily 14/15 miles tailbacks for years and years. WHY isn't Cameron getting something done instead of paying lip service to OCC.

Double Drip Dave the man who loves a photo opportunity lacking in drive, lacking in spine,lacking in action over local issues, but still wants to be the "BIG I AM" and world policeman when it comes to sticking his nose into other countries affairs. About time you started looking after those at home first for a change.

Come on Cameron, lets have some action on the A40 if you have the drive, will and compunction to make it happen, are you up for it ? I and all your West Oxon population question your commitment to improving our main route. So far you have failed, and the feeling amongst the population is you will continue to avoid this over bearing issue as you have done so far. Lets face it, this constituency is being used as a convenience to get you into office and nothing else. You can respond by improving our traveling infra structure and if you can fund a war then you can fund this.
One of the problems of a PM funding major infrastructure improvement on his back door is the perception of the personal benefit to him.

Just look at the current outcry in Scotland over Nicola Sturgeon nationalising Prestwick Airport - where her mother is Provost...
Not relevant. The problem was already in existence before he became MP here in Witney and was already subject of debate. He promised as an MP to get and do something about it but he, Woodward and Hurd have all failed due to mandarins at OCC and other levels of Government.

When the Northern Gateway gets built the existing problems will be amplified and are people in office at Government and local authority so blind as they refuse to see this. I'm just wondering what has to be done to get this into the spot light.

Hudspeth hasn't got a clue, Cameron isn't interested, and his local office and agent are obviously oblivious to reality as they are so far removed from it. As an MP he has an obligation to this constituency, an obligation which he obviously isn't prepared to fulfill.

Time to stop standing on protocols and get on with the job at hand.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: If Nicola Blackwood can ask questions and get funding looked at for the A34 then why isn't Cameron ( I'll still be your MP and will not let national topics stop me from looking at local issues) doing the same over the A40 which is just a big a headache for those that use it with the daily 14/15 miles tailbacks for years and years. WHY isn't Cameron getting something done instead of paying lip service to OCC. Double Drip Dave the man who loves a photo opportunity lacking in drive, lacking in spine,lacking in action over local issues, but still wants to be the "BIG I AM" and world policeman when it comes to sticking his nose into other countries affairs. About time you started looking after those at home first for a change. Come on Cameron, lets have some action on the A40 if you have the drive, will and compunction to make it happen, are you up for it ? I and all your West Oxon population question your commitment to improving our main route. So far you have failed, and the feeling amongst the population is you will continue to avoid this over bearing issue as you have done so far. Lets face it, this constituency is being used as a convenience to get you into office and nothing else. You can respond by improving our traveling infra structure and if you can fund a war then you can fund this.[/p][/quote]One of the problems of a PM funding major infrastructure improvement on his back door is the perception of the personal benefit to him. Just look at the current outcry in Scotland over Nicola Sturgeon nationalising Prestwick Airport - where her mother is Provost...[/p][/quote]Not relevant. The problem was already in existence before he became MP here in Witney and was already subject of debate. He promised as an MP to get and do something about it but he, Woodward and Hurd have all failed due to mandarins at OCC and other levels of Government. When the Northern Gateway gets built the existing problems will be amplified and are people in office at Government and local authority so blind as they refuse to see this. I'm just wondering what has to be done to get this into the spot light. Hudspeth hasn't got a clue, Cameron isn't interested, and his local office and agent are obviously oblivious to reality as they are so far removed from it. As an MP he has an obligation to this constituency, an obligation which he obviously isn't prepared to fulfill. Time to stop standing on protocols and get on with the job at hand. the wizard
  • Score: 1

9:03pm Fri 5 Sep 14

badger77 says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
What is really needed is a new motorway arcing from Swindon, past Didcot, to the M40, around Aylesbury, Milton Keynes Cambridge and onto Norwich.

This would divert almost all through traffic away from Oxford, relieve the congested A34 & A420 and improve the lives of many communities en-route who are on cross-country through routes.

It would also keep the notorious Oxford(shire) faction of the CPRE busy for years!
At last someone who thinks the same as me.

There is no point in adding lanes and putting in sliproads etc. There is just too much traffic for what the road was designed for. It needs another road to take the through traffic away from the built up areas, they have these in the USA and they wok wonderfully. Leave the original road for local traffic and have the North/South Traffic use the new road
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: What is really needed is a new motorway arcing from Swindon, past Didcot, to the M40, around Aylesbury, Milton Keynes Cambridge and onto Norwich. This would divert almost all through traffic away from Oxford, relieve the congested A34 & A420 and improve the lives of many communities en-route who are on cross-country through routes. It would also keep the notorious Oxford(shire) faction of the CPRE busy for years![/p][/quote]At last someone who thinks the same as me. There is no point in adding lanes and putting in sliproads etc. There is just too much traffic for what the road was designed for. It needs another road to take the through traffic away from the built up areas, they have these in the USA and they wok wonderfully. Leave the original road for local traffic and have the North/South Traffic use the new road badger77
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3:31am Sun 7 Sep 14

The New Private Eye says...

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
blundelo wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
"Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........




.........Really? So where's that going to be then.
The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.
The "slip road" they mention is actually a filter lane at the Hinksey Hill roundabout, enabling traffic from the clockwise carriageway of the A423 Southern Bypass (coming from the Kennington roundabout) to pass directly onto the A34 southbound entry slip road without having to stop at the traffic lights on the roundabout itself.
Ah, you mean the new lane they've made, that should be traffic light-free, but has actually had traffic lights installed on it......
I noticed that earlier, it puzzled me as well
[quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blundelo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: "Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........ .........Really? So where's that going to be then. The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.[/p][/quote]The "slip road" they mention is actually a filter lane at the Hinksey Hill roundabout, enabling traffic from the clockwise carriageway of the A423 Southern Bypass (coming from the Kennington roundabout) to pass directly onto the A34 southbound entry slip road without having to stop at the traffic lights on the roundabout itself.[/p][/quote]Ah, you mean the new lane they've made, that should be traffic light-free, but has actually had traffic lights installed on it......[/p][/quote]I noticed that earlier, it puzzled me as well The New Private Eye
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Mon 8 Sep 14

blundelo says...

The New Private Eye wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
blundelo wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
"Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........





.........Really? So where's that going to be then.
The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.
The "slip road" they mention is actually a filter lane at the Hinksey Hill roundabout, enabling traffic from the clockwise carriageway of the A423 Southern Bypass (coming from the Kennington roundabout) to pass directly onto the A34 southbound entry slip road without having to stop at the traffic lights on the roundabout itself.
Ah, you mean the new lane they've made, that should be traffic light-free, but has actually had traffic lights installed on it......
I noticed that earlier, it puzzled me as well
That is indeed puzzling. I just looked at the PDF plan for the improvements again, and yes, it does show a stop line on the filter lane. I'll reserve judgement at this point, and suggest that it may be that the lights will be programmed to be green for the vast majority of the time, only changing to red at times when the main A34 southbound carriageway is already congested, to slow the joining traffic for safety reasons. But yes, on the face of it, it does seem odd.
[quote][p][bold]The New Private Eye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blundelo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: "Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........ .........Really? So where's that going to be then. The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.[/p][/quote]The "slip road" they mention is actually a filter lane at the Hinksey Hill roundabout, enabling traffic from the clockwise carriageway of the A423 Southern Bypass (coming from the Kennington roundabout) to pass directly onto the A34 southbound entry slip road without having to stop at the traffic lights on the roundabout itself.[/p][/quote]Ah, you mean the new lane they've made, that should be traffic light-free, but has actually had traffic lights installed on it......[/p][/quote]I noticed that earlier, it puzzled me as well[/p][/quote]That is indeed puzzling. I just looked at the PDF plan for the improvements again, and yes, it does show a stop line on the filter lane. I'll reserve judgement at this point, and suggest that it may be that the lights will be programmed to be green for the vast majority of the time, only changing to red at times when the main A34 southbound carriageway is already congested, to slow the joining traffic for safety reasons. But yes, on the face of it, it does seem odd. blundelo
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Wed 10 Sep 14

The New Private Eye says...

blundelo wrote:
The New Private Eye wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
blundelo wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
"Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........






.........Really? So where's that going to be then.
The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.
The "slip road" they mention is actually a filter lane at the Hinksey Hill roundabout, enabling traffic from the clockwise carriageway of the A423 Southern Bypass (coming from the Kennington roundabout) to pass directly onto the A34 southbound entry slip road without having to stop at the traffic lights on the roundabout itself.
Ah, you mean the new lane they've made, that should be traffic light-free, but has actually had traffic lights installed on it......
I noticed that earlier, it puzzled me as well
That is indeed puzzling. I just looked at the PDF plan for the improvements again, and yes, it does show a stop line on the filter lane. I'll reserve judgement at this point, and suggest that it may be that the lights will be programmed to be green for the vast majority of the time, only changing to red at times when the main A34 southbound carriageway is already congested, to slow the joining traffic for safety reasons. But yes, on the face of it, it does seem odd.
That would defeat the object of the whole exercise, maybe they are the same crossing as the lights at the Botley roundabout for the non existent cyclists to cross
[quote][p][bold]blundelo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The New Private Eye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blundelo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: "Oxfordshire County Council is currently building a slip road from the Southern Bypass straight on to the A34 southbound."........ .........Really? So where's that going to be then. The only way to improve the A34, is to add a third lane in each direction, and stop artics overtaking in certain areas, especially near junctions, and hills.[/p][/quote]The "slip road" they mention is actually a filter lane at the Hinksey Hill roundabout, enabling traffic from the clockwise carriageway of the A423 Southern Bypass (coming from the Kennington roundabout) to pass directly onto the A34 southbound entry slip road without having to stop at the traffic lights on the roundabout itself.[/p][/quote]Ah, you mean the new lane they've made, that should be traffic light-free, but has actually had traffic lights installed on it......[/p][/quote]I noticed that earlier, it puzzled me as well[/p][/quote]That is indeed puzzling. I just looked at the PDF plan for the improvements again, and yes, it does show a stop line on the filter lane. I'll reserve judgement at this point, and suggest that it may be that the lights will be programmed to be green for the vast majority of the time, only changing to red at times when the main A34 southbound carriageway is already congested, to slow the joining traffic for safety reasons. But yes, on the face of it, it does seem odd.[/p][/quote]That would defeat the object of the whole exercise, maybe they are the same crossing as the lights at the Botley roundabout for the non existent cyclists to cross The New Private Eye
  • Score: 0

3:56pm Wed 10 Sep 14

King Joke says...

Some junctions on the M6 have this, it's called ramp metering. It's to regulate the flow from the entry slip onto the mainline. THe junction where the A556 comes in from Manchester southbound has it, as do some of the junctions in the black country around Wednesbury/Wolverham
pton.
Some junctions on the M6 have this, it's called ramp metering. It's to regulate the flow from the entry slip onto the mainline. THe junction where the A556 comes in from Manchester southbound has it, as do some of the junctions in the black country around Wednesbury/Wolverham pton. King Joke
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1:41am Sat 13 Sep 14

OxonResident says...

I did wonder about what would happen if the entire queue of traffic from Cowley to Kennington on the clockwise ring road was just allowed to plough straight onto the A34 southbound unobstructed. These traffic lights must have been put in to provide a bit of a fall-back in case the new road system causes problems on the A34 southbound. At the moment the roadworks are throttling this queue so we don't know how much increased volumes of traffic will join the A34 carriageway in a shorter space of time.
I did wonder about what would happen if the entire queue of traffic from Cowley to Kennington on the clockwise ring road was just allowed to plough straight onto the A34 southbound unobstructed. These traffic lights must have been put in to provide a bit of a fall-back in case the new road system causes problems on the A34 southbound. At the moment the roadworks are throttling this queue so we don't know how much increased volumes of traffic will join the A34 carriageway in a shorter space of time. OxonResident
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