Zebra crossing plans prompt traffic concerns

Kate Pollard, co-owner of Relics of Witney, and Duncan Enright discuss the proposed crossing

Kate Pollard, co-owner of Relics of Witney, and Duncan Enright discuss the proposed crossing Buy this photo

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CONCERNS have been raised about plans to place a zebra crossing on one of Witney’s busiest streets.

Oxfordshire County Council is currently consulting on the proposals, which would see the crosswalk placed on Bridge Street, between the CostCutter newsagent and the street leading to Pirate Fitness.

Newsagent owner Christopher Howard said that creating a zebra crossing may make traffic worse.

He said: “We do need something here for people to safely cross, but I do not think this is the answer. It is often very congested outside our store and in the mornings and evenings it is completely gridlocked.

“The stop-starting would not help at all with traffic in the town. The zig-zag markings would also restrict where our delivery trucks could stop and that could also cause disruption elsewhere.’’ The county council has said the works could go ahead as early as February next year if the plans are approved.

But Witney East district councillor Duncan Enright said: “It is a nightmare crossing the road in Bridge Street, so it would be good to have a crossing.”

The consultation on the proposed zebra crossing ends on Thursday.

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7:48am Tue 22 Jul 14

Mrs Arcanum says...

Bridge Street traffic already produces some of the most pollution in the country. So what do the county plan to do, make it worse! Unbelievable.

Far better to put zebra crossings on the bridge end of the road where cars have to stop for the roundabout.
Bridge Street traffic already produces some of the most pollution in the country. So what do the county plan to do, make it worse! Unbelievable. Far better to put zebra crossings on the bridge end of the road where cars have to stop for the roundabout. Mrs Arcanum
  • Score: 2

9:39am Tue 22 Jul 14

kgreen99 says...

The council seems not to care at all about traffic congestion in Witney, and this will just make it even worse.
The council seems not to care at all about traffic congestion in Witney, and this will just make it even worse. kgreen99
  • Score: 7

12:11pm Tue 22 Jul 14

King Joke says...

Mrs Arcanum wrote:
Bridge Street traffic already produces some of the most pollution in the country. So what do the county plan to do, make it worse! Unbelievable.

Far better to put zebra crossings on the bridge end of the road where cars have to stop for the roundabout.
Yes but is this where people actually need to cross? If it meant a major detour people would continue to chance it crossing on the desire line.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Arcanum[/bold] wrote: Bridge Street traffic already produces some of the most pollution in the country. So what do the county plan to do, make it worse! Unbelievable. Far better to put zebra crossings on the bridge end of the road where cars have to stop for the roundabout.[/p][/quote]Yes but is this where people actually need to cross? If it meant a major detour people would continue to chance it crossing on the desire line. King Joke
  • Score: -1

6:46pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Kate Pollard says...

It might surprise people to know that as a business in Bridge Street we are very much against having a Zebra Crossing at the proposed site. This road is already severely congested and the crossing can only make this worse.
Bridge Street is one of the most polluted streets in the Country, a Zebra Crossing will cause this to rise further to even more dangerous levels as traffic idles at the crossing and then accelerates away.
The photograph above shows me telling Mr. Enright this and pointing out to him that a crossing would take away residents over night parking, reduce the already scant parking for customers to visit the small businesses and severely restrict the necessary deliveries to these businesses - thus causing further traffic congestion as lorries and vans seek to find somewhere to park. Mr. Enright expressed surprise at these points and admitted that he had not thought of these points.
There's no doubt that there are considerable problems for traffic in Bridge Street and there is also no doubt that a Zebra Crossing will make things much worse.
It might surprise people to know that as a business in Bridge Street we are very much against having a Zebra Crossing at the proposed site. This road is already severely congested and the crossing can only make this worse. Bridge Street is one of the most polluted streets in the Country, a Zebra Crossing will cause this to rise further to even more dangerous levels as traffic idles at the crossing and then accelerates away. The photograph above shows me telling Mr. Enright this and pointing out to him that a crossing would take away residents over night parking, reduce the already scant parking for customers to visit the small businesses and severely restrict the necessary deliveries to these businesses - thus causing further traffic congestion as lorries and vans seek to find somewhere to park. Mr. Enright expressed surprise at these points and admitted that he had not thought of these points. There's no doubt that there are considerable problems for traffic in Bridge Street and there is also no doubt that a Zebra Crossing will make things much worse. Kate Pollard
  • Score: 6

7:51pm Tue 22 Jul 14

H.J.Harris says...

If only the CLR had been built, Bridge St would have been much relieved.
If only the CLR had been built, Bridge St would have been much relieved. H.J.Harris
  • Score: 4

7:46am Wed 23 Jul 14

King Joke says...

H.J.Harris wrote:
If only the CLR had been built, Bridge St would have been much relieved.
... for about three years then it would have filled up with the extra traffic generated by the 'relief'. Predict and Provide has been much discredited, and we have to start doing something a lot more imaginative than just building new roads.
[quote][p][bold]H.J.Harris[/bold] wrote: If only the CLR had been built, Bridge St would have been much relieved.[/p][/quote]... for about three years then it would have filled up with the extra traffic generated by the 'relief'. Predict and Provide has been much discredited, and we have to start doing something a lot more imaginative than just building new roads. King Joke
  • Score: -3

7:53am Wed 23 Jul 14

Mrs Arcanum says...

King Joke wrote:
Mrs Arcanum wrote:
Bridge Street traffic already produces some of the most pollution in the country. So what do the county plan to do, make it worse! Unbelievable.

Far better to put zebra crossings on the bridge end of the road where cars have to stop for the roundabout.
Yes but is this where people actually need to cross? If it meant a major detour people would continue to chance it crossing on the desire line.
Just plonking something in where the shops are, to cut a few yards of walking is not the solution for Bridge Street. There needs to be a balance between getting across the road safely and delivery and customer vehicles. The suggested location for the crossing would cause a huge conflict between deliveries and traffic, lose much of the limited parking and create a danger for any pedestrians using the crossing.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Arcanum[/bold] wrote: Bridge Street traffic already produces some of the most pollution in the country. So what do the county plan to do, make it worse! Unbelievable. Far better to put zebra crossings on the bridge end of the road where cars have to stop for the roundabout.[/p][/quote]Yes but is this where people actually need to cross? If it meant a major detour people would continue to chance it crossing on the desire line.[/p][/quote]Just plonking something in where the shops are, to cut a few yards of walking is not the solution for Bridge Street. There needs to be a balance between getting across the road safely and delivery and customer vehicles. The suggested location for the crossing would cause a huge conflict between deliveries and traffic, lose much of the limited parking and create a danger for any pedestrians using the crossing. Mrs Arcanum
  • Score: 1

7:57am Wed 23 Jul 14

King Joke says...

How can it be dangerous? Zebras as surrounded by ziz-zag lines to give clear visibility of pedestrians. It's only dangerous when idiots park on the zig-zag lines. It's more dangerous to leave pedestrians to fend for themselves, or build a facility so tailored to the needs of motorists that pedestrians won't use them.
How can it be dangerous? Zebras as surrounded by ziz-zag lines to give clear visibility of pedestrians. It's only dangerous when idiots park on the zig-zag lines. It's more dangerous to leave pedestrians to fend for themselves, or build a facility so tailored to the needs of motorists that pedestrians won't use them. King Joke
  • Score: 0

11:48am Wed 23 Jul 14

DEnright says...

Kate Pollard wrote:
It might surprise people to know that as a business in Bridge Street we are very much against having a Zebra Crossing at the proposed site. This road is already severely congested and the crossing can only make this worse.
Bridge Street is one of the most polluted streets in the Country, a Zebra Crossing will cause this to rise further to even more dangerous levels as traffic idles at the crossing and then accelerates away.
The photograph above shows me telling Mr. Enright this and pointing out to him that a crossing would take away residents over night parking, reduce the already scant parking for customers to visit the small businesses and severely restrict the necessary deliveries to these businesses - thus causing further traffic congestion as lorries and vans seek to find somewhere to park. Mr. Enright expressed surprise at these points and admitted that he had not thought of these points.
There's no doubt that there are considerable problems for traffic in Bridge Street and there is also no doubt that a Zebra Crossing will make things much worse.
True, I hadn't realised the plans would lead to reduction in the customer parking and overnight parking. A crossing near the bridge seems a sensible option as there is already an island there, and it fits desire lines pretty closely in what is a short street. Over-engineering this with lights and so on is a waste of resources and a further source of traffic problems on this congested stretch.
[quote][p][bold]Kate Pollard[/bold] wrote: It might surprise people to know that as a business in Bridge Street we are very much against having a Zebra Crossing at the proposed site. This road is already severely congested and the crossing can only make this worse. Bridge Street is one of the most polluted streets in the Country, a Zebra Crossing will cause this to rise further to even more dangerous levels as traffic idles at the crossing and then accelerates away. The photograph above shows me telling Mr. Enright this and pointing out to him that a crossing would take away residents over night parking, reduce the already scant parking for customers to visit the small businesses and severely restrict the necessary deliveries to these businesses - thus causing further traffic congestion as lorries and vans seek to find somewhere to park. Mr. Enright expressed surprise at these points and admitted that he had not thought of these points. There's no doubt that there are considerable problems for traffic in Bridge Street and there is also no doubt that a Zebra Crossing will make things much worse.[/p][/quote]True, I hadn't realised the plans would lead to reduction in the customer parking and overnight parking. A crossing near the bridge seems a sensible option as there is already an island there, and it fits desire lines pretty closely in what is a short street. Over-engineering this with lights and so on is a waste of resources and a further source of traffic problems on this congested stretch. DEnright
  • Score: 4

11:54am Wed 23 Jul 14

King Joke says...

IF it's on a desire-line then fair enough, but I doubt a solution based around punting pedestrians away from where they will cause problems for others would actually be on a desire line.

Zebra crossings are pretty lightly engineered and don't require traffic lights.
IF it's on a desire-line then fair enough, but I doubt a solution based around punting pedestrians away from where they will cause problems for others would actually be on a desire line. Zebra crossings are pretty lightly engineered and don't require traffic lights. King Joke
  • Score: 1

12:07pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Englishman says...

What's the point? Most people would not walk 5 yds to a crossing to use it. Instead they will cross where it is convienient for them. Just watch the one in the town centre and the one in Welch Way.
What's the point? Most people would not walk 5 yds to a crossing to use it. Instead they will cross where it is convienient for them. Just watch the one in the town centre and the one in Welch Way. Englishman
  • Score: 3

7:57am Mon 28 Jul 14

King Joke says...

All the more reason to put them on desire-lines, not brushed aside where they won't inconvenience traffic.

Watch some of the Tour de France highlights on the ITV Player, wait for a helicopter shot over a town and see how crossings are engineered on the continent - straight across the end of every side road, exactly where they are needed because that is where people will walk!
All the more reason to put them on desire-lines, not brushed aside where they won't inconvenience traffic. Watch some of the Tour de France highlights on the ITV Player, wait for a helicopter shot over a town and see how crossings are engineered on the continent - straight across the end of every side road, exactly where they are needed because that is where people will walk! King Joke
  • Score: 1

8:05am Mon 28 Jul 14

Kate Pollard says...

King Joke wrote:
All the more reason to put them on desire-lines, not brushed aside where they won't inconvenience traffic.

Watch some of the Tour de France highlights on the ITV Player, wait for a helicopter shot over a town and see how crossings are engineered on the continent - straight across the end of every side road, exactly where they are needed because that is where people will walk!
This may well be true, but are these crossings accompanied by restricted parking for 10s of yards either side? How would King Joke address the problem of residents' overnight parking, business' deliveries, customer parking and the extremely high levels of pollution on Bridge Street?
In the last few weeks I have not met anyone who lives or works on Bridge Street who is in favour of the idea of a Zebra Crossing. It was dismissed as unworkable when proposed several years ago and conditions are now distinctly worse than they were then.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: All the more reason to put them on desire-lines, not brushed aside where they won't inconvenience traffic. Watch some of the Tour de France highlights on the ITV Player, wait for a helicopter shot over a town and see how crossings are engineered on the continent - straight across the end of every side road, exactly where they are needed because that is where people will walk![/p][/quote]This may well be true, but are these crossings accompanied by restricted parking for 10s of yards either side? How would King Joke address the problem of residents' overnight parking, business' deliveries, customer parking and the extremely high levels of pollution on Bridge Street? In the last few weeks I have not met anyone who lives or works on Bridge Street who is in favour of the idea of a Zebra Crossing. It was dismissed as unworkable when proposed several years ago and conditions are now distinctly worse than they were then. Kate Pollard
  • Score: 0

8:11am Mon 28 Jul 14

King Joke says...

Yes of course they are accompanied by parking restrictions, not least because they are at corners. The restrictions are necessary to ensure sigh-lines. Why not just park up a side road? Delivery drivers are welcome to avail themselves of a sack-truck, sadly these days many are too lazy to bother.

Has it occurred to you that once someone has parked in Witney they might want somewhere safe to cross where they actually need to go? We are not born pedestrians or drivers, most of us are both myself included. As for nobody being in favour of change, this is true of almost any change proposed, particularly in a country as conservative as ours. Can you imagine if it were proposed to remove a crossing - there would be an outcry. It's just the same if you try to put one in.
Yes of course they are accompanied by parking restrictions, not least because they are at corners. The restrictions are necessary to ensure sigh-lines. Why not just park up a side road? Delivery drivers are welcome to avail themselves of a sack-truck, sadly these days many are too lazy to bother. Has it occurred to you that once someone has parked in Witney they might want somewhere safe to cross where they actually need to go? We are not born pedestrians or drivers, most of us are both myself included. As for nobody being in favour of change, this is true of almost any change proposed, particularly in a country as conservative as ours. Can you imagine if it were proposed to remove a crossing - there would be an outcry. It's just the same if you try to put one in. King Joke
  • Score: 1

2:22pm Mon 28 Jul 14

The New Private Eye says...

It seems that with traffic gridlocked for most of the day there is no need for a crossing, and it also seems that nobody has been run over or stranded at the side of the road for days on end, so why not let the current situation continue. And check out this link to see how traffic flows and pedestrians cross freely without the need for lights and crossings.

http://twistedsifter
.com/videos/meskel-s
quare-timelapse-addi
s-ababa-ethiopia/
It seems that with traffic gridlocked for most of the day there is no need for a crossing, and it also seems that nobody has been run over or stranded at the side of the road for days on end, so why not let the current situation continue. And check out this link to see how traffic flows and pedestrians cross freely without the need for lights and crossings. http://twistedsifter .com/videos/meskel-s quare-timelapse-addi s-ababa-ethiopia/ The New Private Eye
  • Score: 0

2:24pm Mon 28 Jul 14

King Joke says...

No lights are proposed NPE - it's a zebra crossing.

Ethiopia is a wonderful country I'm told but I'd like to think we had the edge in safety terms.
No lights are proposed NPE - it's a zebra crossing. Ethiopia is a wonderful country I'm told but I'd like to think we had the edge in safety terms. King Joke
  • Score: 0

2:25pm Mon 28 Jul 14

The New Private Eye says...

I forgot to add, what a joy it must be to drive somewhere where you can use the skills that you spent a lot of time and money learning, rather than being on some guided tramway with lights every few hundred yards that our roads have become.
I forgot to add, what a joy it must be to drive somewhere where you can use the skills that you spent a lot of time and money learning, rather than being on some guided tramway with lights every few hundred yards that our roads have become. The New Private Eye
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Mon 28 Jul 14

King Joke says...

I'm sure there are regular flights there - have a good trip.
I'm sure there are regular flights there - have a good trip. King Joke
  • Score: 0

3:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

The New Private Eye says...

King Joke wrote:
I'm sure there are regular flights there - have a good trip.
I do my friend. I regularly drive in a similar country but have the benefit that they drive on the left (well officially) and it is much more fun.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: I'm sure there are regular flights there - have a good trip.[/p][/quote]I do my friend. I regularly drive in a similar country but have the benefit that they drive on the left (well officially) and it is much more fun. The New Private Eye
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Mon 28 Jul 14

kiddyboy says...

can't see how a zebra crossing will make a already congested road much worse?? if the traffic is usually at a standstill then it won't be much different will it????..............
.....confused ;)
can't see how a zebra crossing will make a already congested road much worse?? if the traffic is usually at a standstill then it won't be much different will it????.............. .....confused ;) kiddyboy
  • Score: 0

7:27pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Kate Pollard says...

All the pros and cons for a Zebra Crossing on Bridge Street have to be thought about. There is an apparent need for one by some pedestrians. This has to be balanced against the increase in pollution, the removal of overnight parking for residents and for businesses and residents' deliveries. There are no side roads from where lorries could legally park and off-load goods into shops and the pub.
A Zebra Crossing on the proposed site is a bad idea.
All the pros and cons for a Zebra Crossing on Bridge Street have to be thought about. There is an apparent need for one by some pedestrians. This has to be balanced against the increase in pollution, the removal of overnight parking for residents and for businesses and residents' deliveries. There are no side roads from where lorries could legally park and off-load goods into shops and the pub. A Zebra Crossing on the proposed site is a bad idea. Kate Pollard
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Mon 28 Jul 14

King Joke says...

On Google maps Bridge St looks about 200 m long. I'm sure someone could find room for a zebra crossing.
On Google maps Bridge St looks about 200 m long. I'm sure someone could find room for a zebra crossing. King Joke
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Kate Pollard says...

King Joke wrote:
On Google maps Bridge St looks about 200 m long. I'm sure someone could find room for a zebra crossing.
Yep, there maybe room for one at the Bridge end of the street but as there's already an island to aid crossing it seems a little unnecessary - and again this still exacerbates pollution and further congestion as well as restricting parking at that end of the street.
Once OCC come to terms with the necessity for building the Shores Green Link then the problems with high volume traffic in Bridge Street should at the very least be reduced and any problems for pedestrians trying to cross will similarly be lessened, however we wait and we wait for OCC to actually put this into action.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: On Google maps Bridge St looks about 200 m long. I'm sure someone could find room for a zebra crossing.[/p][/quote]Yep, there maybe room for one at the Bridge end of the street but as there's already an island to aid crossing it seems a little unnecessary - and again this still exacerbates pollution and further congestion as well as restricting parking at that end of the street. Once OCC come to terms with the necessity for building the Shores Green Link then the problems with high volume traffic in Bridge Street should at the very least be reduced and any problems for pedestrians trying to cross will similarly be lessened, however we wait and we wait for OCC to actually put this into action. Kate Pollard
  • Score: 0

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