'Free Palestine' march holds up traffic in city centre

'Free Palestine' march holds up traffic in city centre

'Free Palestine' march holds up traffic in city centre

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MORE then 100 people are taking part in a Free Palestine march tonight.

Protesters took to the streets and were seen marching along Magdalen Bridge to Carfax Tower.

Traffic along the route is held-up as people walk along the road with placards. 

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9:29pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Quentin Walker says...

What do they hope to achieve, I wonder?
What do they hope to achieve, I wonder? Quentin Walker
  • Score: -30

9:42pm Mon 14 Jul 14

fishstew says...

im sure they really are going to listen to the great unwashed.. holding up the traffic for people who actually have a job to get home.
im sure they really are going to listen to the great unwashed.. holding up the traffic for people who actually have a job to get home. fishstew
  • Score: -41

10:34pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Dr J Price says...

fishstew wrote:
im sure they really are going to listen to the great unwashed.. holding up the traffic for people who actually have a job to get home.
Count yourself lucky that you have a home to go to, The people of Oxford were protesting to save the homes of the Palestinian people, so they indeed would also have a home to go to....


Shame on you
[quote][p][bold]fishstew[/bold] wrote: im sure they really are going to listen to the great unwashed.. holding up the traffic for people who actually have a job to get home.[/p][/quote]Count yourself lucky that you have a home to go to, The people of Oxford were protesting to save the homes of the Palestinian people, so they indeed would also have a home to go to.... Shame on you Dr J Price
  • Score: 66

11:24pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Redbulls says...

A great injustice taking place, the Jews lived in Palestine for centuries in peace and harmony, after the Balfour declaration the Palestinians have been persecuted relentlessly, something needs to be done illegal settlements need to be stopped and back to the 1967 borders , over 170 dead over 1000+ injured , it's 20 miles long with 1.5 million people living in a open prison, no fresh water hardly any electric, very small amounts of fuel, they don't want your money.... They just want to be left alone and not have the nuclear powered Goliath pummeling David into the ground..!
A great injustice taking place, the Jews lived in Palestine for centuries in peace and harmony, after the Balfour declaration the Palestinians have been persecuted relentlessly, something needs to be done illegal settlements need to be stopped and back to the 1967 borders , over 170 dead over 1000+ injured , it's 20 miles long with 1.5 million people living in a open prison, no fresh water hardly any electric, very small amounts of fuel, they don't want your money.... They just want to be left alone and not have the nuclear powered Goliath pummeling David into the ground..! Redbulls
  • Score: 56

12:39am Tue 15 Jul 14

Meera_4 says...

Quentin Walker wrote:
What do they hope to achieve, I wonder?
What do we hope? We hope to liberate Palestine from the opression of the extremists in Isreal, who think it's legitimate to murder innocent women and children. It has been this way for too long, and things need to change; and we want to make that change. So next time you 'wonder about what we're trying to achieve', open your eyes to what is happening in this world... People will only know about this act of inhumanity if the word is spread, and protests are pretty efficient for doing just that?
[quote][p][bold]Quentin Walker[/bold] wrote: What do they hope to achieve, I wonder?[/p][/quote]What do we hope? We hope to liberate Palestine from the opression of the extremists in Isreal, who think it's legitimate to murder innocent women and children. It has been this way for too long, and things need to change; and we want to make that change. So next time you 'wonder about what we're trying to achieve', open your eyes to what is happening in this world... People will only know about this act of inhumanity if the word is spread, and protests are pretty efficient for doing just that? Meera_4
  • Score: 37

1:42am Tue 15 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

I understand the desire of these protesters that (someone) should free Palestine/Gaza from the appalling Hamas. My fear is that one group of monsters will just be replaced with another, as seems relentlessly true throughout the Mohammedan world.
oufcboyce says... What has "rac-ist" got to do with it? The people in Palestine and those in Israel are genetically identical. Suggest you stick to football since your pseudonym suggests that's what matters to you.
I understand the desire of these protesters that (someone) should free Palestine/Gaza from the appalling Hamas. My fear is that one group of monsters will just be replaced with another, as seems relentlessly true throughout the Mohammedan world. oufcboyce says... What has "rac-ist" got to do with it? The people in Palestine and those in Israel are genetically identical. Suggest you stick to football since your pseudonym suggests that's what matters to you. Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: -25

4:26am Tue 15 Jul 14

Yep It's Me says...

People complaining about the traffic like what the hell?! That stupid pathetic carnival an excuse for drunkens to drink and cause havoc on the streets is okay for one to do?Whereas actually fighting for a cause is frown up on. For that horrendous carnival, the busses took different routes and roads where blocked but that so didn't get anyone late to go home as they have a job, yeah right ! But a bunch of people can act like complete **** on the street drunk beyond reasoning, was not getting in anyone's way of getting home but something fighting for freedom is, utter disappointment and shame on you heartless souls. Fighting for a cause regardless of the politics and religious views behind it is way beyond this matter, it's about being humane. If you have a ounce of humanity left in you, people who are fighting against this cause would have it in you to look beyond your beliefs, your racist views and actually want to help the people of Palestine not thinking of them as Muslims but humans like me and you actually giving them a life they deserve in the land that is rightfully theres, the land that was given to the Jewish community, in ww2 by the United Nations even though they had no right to do so. Support this cause for people who are getting bombed as you read this comment families getting torched separated kid as young as 1 new born babies becoming orphans because of something as stupid as a battle for the lands, what could have never of taken place if higher authority did not steal from the less fortunate.
People complaining about the traffic like what the hell?! That stupid pathetic carnival an excuse for drunkens to drink and cause havoc on the streets is okay for one to do?Whereas actually fighting for a cause is frown up on. For that horrendous carnival, the busses took different routes and roads where blocked but that so didn't get anyone late to go home as they have a job, yeah right ! But a bunch of people can act like complete **** on the street drunk beyond reasoning, was not getting in anyone's way of getting home but something fighting for freedom is, utter disappointment and shame on you heartless souls. Fighting for a cause regardless of the politics and religious views behind it is way beyond this matter, it's about being humane. If you have a ounce of humanity left in you, people who are fighting against this cause would have it in you to look beyond your beliefs, your racist views and actually want to help the people of Palestine not thinking of them as Muslims but humans like me and you actually giving them a life they deserve in the land that is rightfully theres, the land that was given to the Jewish community, in ww2 by the United Nations even though they had no right to do so. Support this cause for people who are getting bombed as you read this comment families getting torched separated kid as young as 1 new born babies becoming orphans because of something as stupid as a battle for the lands, what could have never of taken place if higher authority did not steal from the less fortunate. Yep It's Me
  • Score: 17

10:02am Tue 15 Jul 14

Quentin Walker says...

Meera_4 wrote:
Quentin Walker wrote:
What do they hope to achieve, I wonder?
What do we hope? We hope to liberate Palestine from the opression of the extremists in Isreal, who think it's legitimate to murder innocent women and children. It has been this way for too long, and things need to change; and we want to make that change. So next time you 'wonder about what we're trying to achieve', open your eyes to what is happening in this world... People will only know about this act of inhumanity if the word is spread, and protests are pretty efficient for doing just that?
Rumour has it that rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza. Surely, this can't be true?
[quote][p][bold]Meera_4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Walker[/bold] wrote: What do they hope to achieve, I wonder?[/p][/quote]What do we hope? We hope to liberate Palestine from the opression of the extremists in Isreal, who think it's legitimate to murder innocent women and children. It has been this way for too long, and things need to change; and we want to make that change. So next time you 'wonder about what we're trying to achieve', open your eyes to what is happening in this world... People will only know about this act of inhumanity if the word is spread, and protests are pretty efficient for doing just that?[/p][/quote]Rumour has it that rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza. Surely, this can't be true? Quentin Walker
  • Score: -15

10:44am Tue 15 Jul 14

Redbulls says...

Quentin Walker wrote:
Meera_4 wrote:
Quentin Walker wrote:
What do they hope to achieve, I wonder?
What do we hope? We hope to liberate Palestine from the opression of the extremists in Isreal, who think it's legitimate to murder innocent women and children. It has been this way for too long, and things need to change; and we want to make that change. So next time you 'wonder about what we're trying to achieve', open your eyes to what is happening in this world... People will only know about this act of inhumanity if the word is spread, and protests are pretty efficient for doing just that?
Rumour has it that rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza. Surely, this can't be true?
rumour has is that David only had a catapult against GOLIATH .... also that its the 4th most powefullest army in the world with NUCLEAR WEAPONS and at present using the "DIME BOMB" along with "WHITE PHOSPHORUS " and many many more weapons which are given free of charge to them from USA which are banned under international law when used against civilians 170+ deaths ( 60+ children, 1200 injured and rising ) time for Israel to give back stolen land and start abiding by International law , it has broken hundreds of U.N laws, at present doing as it pleases ...........
[quote][p][bold]Quentin Walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meera_4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Walker[/bold] wrote: What do they hope to achieve, I wonder?[/p][/quote]What do we hope? We hope to liberate Palestine from the opression of the extremists in Isreal, who think it's legitimate to murder innocent women and children. It has been this way for too long, and things need to change; and we want to make that change. So next time you 'wonder about what we're trying to achieve', open your eyes to what is happening in this world... People will only know about this act of inhumanity if the word is spread, and protests are pretty efficient for doing just that?[/p][/quote]Rumour has it that rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza. Surely, this can't be true?[/p][/quote]rumour has is that David only had a catapult against GOLIATH .... also that its the 4th most powefullest army in the world with NUCLEAR WEAPONS and at present using the "DIME BOMB" along with "WHITE PHOSPHORUS " and many many more weapons which are given free of charge to them from USA which are banned under international law when used against civilians 170+ deaths ( 60+ children, 1200 injured and rising ) time for Israel to give back stolen land and start abiding by International law , it has broken hundreds of U.N laws, at present doing as it pleases ........... Redbulls
  • Score: 12

11:05am Tue 15 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

This'll run and run. Does anyone else smell the anti-Semitic fascist left? The sound and fury above rather gives their game away.
This'll run and run. Does anyone else smell the anti-Semitic fascist left? The sound and fury above rather gives their game away. Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: -5

11:47am Tue 15 Jul 14

LadyJ says...

It's puzzling why protest marches happen in Oxford though, when Westminster is less than 2 hours away.
It's puzzling why protest marches happen in Oxford though, when Westminster is less than 2 hours away. LadyJ
  • Score: 2

12:08pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Redbulls says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
This'll run and run. Does anyone else smell the anti-Semitic fascist left? The sound and fury above rather gives their game away.
Palestinians are and have always lived on the land and have more Semite blood in them than the European settlers ..... may be its time you stopped reading the SUN and the daily mail for your history lessons :)
Zionism = FASCISM , look up the meaning of 'GOYIM' and it will give you all the answers you need .
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: This'll run and run. Does anyone else smell the anti-Semitic fascist left? The sound and fury above rather gives their game away.[/p][/quote]Palestinians are and have always lived on the land and have more Semite blood in them than the European settlers ..... may be its time you stopped reading the SUN and the daily mail for your history lessons :) Zionism = FASCISM , look up the meaning of 'GOYIM' and it will give you all the answers you need . Redbulls
  • Score: 4

12:15pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

Redbulls wrote:
Lord Palmerstone wrote:
This'll run and run. Does anyone else smell the anti-Semitic fascist left? The sound and fury above rather gives their game away.
Palestinians are and have always lived on the land and have more Semite blood in them than the European settlers ..... may be its time you stopped reading the SUN and the daily mail for your history lessons :)
Zionism = FASCISM , look up the meaning of 'GOYIM' and it will give you all the answers you need .
QED. How about another pilgrimage to Lenin's mausoleum? Now that'd cheer you up.
Minor caveat-the Guardian and the Socialist Worker may not be the fonts of wisdom you believe them to be :)
[quote][p][bold]Redbulls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: This'll run and run. Does anyone else smell the anti-Semitic fascist left? The sound and fury above rather gives their game away.[/p][/quote]Palestinians are and have always lived on the land and have more Semite blood in them than the European settlers ..... may be its time you stopped reading the SUN and the daily mail for your history lessons :) Zionism = FASCISM , look up the meaning of 'GOYIM' and it will give you all the answers you need .[/p][/quote]QED. How about another pilgrimage to Lenin's mausoleum? Now that'd cheer you up. Minor caveat-the Guardian and the Socialist Worker may not be the fonts of wisdom you believe them to be :) Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: -10

12:16pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Quentin Walker says...

Redbulls wrote:
Lord Palmerstone wrote:
This'll run and run. Does anyone else smell the anti-Semitic fascist left? The sound and fury above rather gives their game away.
Palestinians are and have always lived on the land and have more Semite blood in them than the European settlers ..... may be its time you stopped reading the SUN and the daily mail for your history lessons :)
Zionism = FASCISM , look up the meaning of 'GOYIM' and it will give you all the answers you need .
Redbulls,

If you can't enter a debate without resorting to personal insults, then perhaps you should withdraw.
[quote][p][bold]Redbulls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: This'll run and run. Does anyone else smell the anti-Semitic fascist left? The sound and fury above rather gives their game away.[/p][/quote]Palestinians are and have always lived on the land and have more Semite blood in them than the European settlers ..... may be its time you stopped reading the SUN and the daily mail for your history lessons :) Zionism = FASCISM , look up the meaning of 'GOYIM' and it will give you all the answers you need .[/p][/quote]Redbulls, If you can't enter a debate without resorting to personal insults, then perhaps you should withdraw. Quentin Walker
  • Score: 2

12:32pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

I don't think he'll be able to Quentin. I've just finished reading "The Dark Valley" by Piers Brendon and all this "blood" and "the land" is so evocative of the stuff put about by the (soon to become) Axis dictators about Ethiopia, Manchuria, the Sudetenland, it just isn't true.
I don't think he'll be able to Quentin. I've just finished reading "The Dark Valley" by Piers Brendon and all this "blood" and "the land" is so evocative of the stuff put about by the (soon to become) Axis dictators about Ethiopia, Manchuria, the Sudetenland, it just isn't true. Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: -6

12:45pm Tue 15 Jul 14

tinsel84 says...

Great to see people standing up and doing (or trying to do) something about an things. Sadly though, I think these protests will fall on deaf ears. Us everyday folk are stuck under the thumb of a New World Order of which Israel is an vital outpost. Not to mention our own successive national rulers who couldn't give a toss about what the people want.
Great to see people standing up and doing (or trying to do) something about an things. Sadly though, I think these protests will fall on deaf ears. Us everyday folk are stuck under the thumb of a New World Order of which Israel is an vital outpost. Not to mention our own successive national rulers who couldn't give a toss about what the people want. tinsel84
  • Score: 15

12:45pm Tue 15 Jul 14

King Joke says...

What has that got to do with the current Gaza crisis Lordi? THe facts are that Israel has laughed in the face of international law for over forty years, builds illegal settlements on occupied land and uses way beyond reasonable force in order to keep Palestinian populations at bay. How is it anti-semitic to suggest it's wrong to withold water, electricity, fuel and building materials from a population which is under aerial bombardment every few years?

You're spot on that Hamas are horrific, but the Israeli government does its level best to sustain their support by wreaking havoc in Gaza and elsewhere. THe current government needs Hamas and is quite happy with them. Given the limited but real dangers faced by Israeli citizens from the conflict you could suggest Netanyahu is keeping his administration afloat by playing fast and loose with their safety.
What has that got to do with the current Gaza crisis Lordi? THe facts are that Israel has laughed in the face of international law for over forty years, builds illegal settlements on occupied land and uses way beyond reasonable force in order to keep Palestinian populations at bay. How is it anti-semitic to suggest it's wrong to withold water, electricity, fuel and building materials from a population which is under aerial bombardment every few years? You're spot on that Hamas are horrific, but the Israeli government does its level best to sustain their support by wreaking havoc in Gaza and elsewhere. THe current government needs Hamas and is quite happy with them. Given the limited but real dangers faced by Israeli citizens from the conflict you could suggest Netanyahu is keeping his administration afloat by playing fast and loose with their safety. King Joke
  • Score: 11

12:56pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

You may well have some valid points KJ. The State of Israel did come about partly through the criminality of Irgun and the Stern Gang. And didn't Sinn Fein/IRA learn a lesson from our pusillanimity in that cause!
What escapes me is why Hamas is content to play the eternal jester in the tableau
You may well have some valid points KJ. The State of Israel did come about partly through the criminality of Irgun and the Stern Gang. And didn't Sinn Fein/IRA learn a lesson from our pusillanimity in that cause! What escapes me is why Hamas is content to play the eternal jester in the tableau Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: -4

1:16pm Tue 15 Jul 14

King Joke says...

You're a talented Palestinian (male) with leadership skills and education. You could escape to Europe and get a job in McDonald's somewhere, scraping a living in crap apartments with rapacious landlords, or if you're really lucky maybe work in call centre or in data entry. Alternatively you can run around with an AK and rocket launchers being revered by your people and the footsoldiers in your command. Which would you choose?

I know which I'd do but then I'm a coward...
You're a talented Palestinian (male) with leadership skills and education. You could escape to Europe and get a job in McDonald's somewhere, scraping a living in crap apartments with rapacious landlords, or if you're really lucky maybe work in call centre or in data entry. Alternatively you can run around with an AK and rocket launchers being revered by your people and the footsoldiers in your command. Which would you choose? I know which I'd do but then I'm a coward... King Joke
  • Score: 9

3:43pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Redbulls says...

They can only Stand and fight as there is NO where to run or hide !
They can only Stand and fight as there is NO where to run or hide ! Redbulls
  • Score: 8

4:20pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

They can only let the civilians Stand and fight whilst they skulk about popping off rockets as there is NO where to run or hide !
They can only let the civilians Stand and fight whilst they skulk about popping off rockets as there is NO where to run or hide ! Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: -4

4:27pm Tue 15 Jul 14

King Joke says...

There are 1.1 m of them LP, they can't all be letting off Qassams.

To rewind a little, there may be questions about the formation of the state of Israel and the methods used to oust the British in the late 1940s, but this was over 70 years ago. The state exists and it is not going anywhere. THe Palestinians aren't going anywhere either, and why should they? They have equal claim. A negotiated settlement would involve giving ground which is why Israel is happy to continue with the status quo rather than trade land. It's catastrophic that the status quo involves a mini-blitz on civilian populations every few years.
There are 1.1 m of them LP, they can't all be letting off Qassams. To rewind a little, there may be questions about the formation of the state of Israel and the methods used to oust the British in the late 1940s, but this was over 70 years ago. The state exists and it is not going anywhere. THe Palestinians aren't going anywhere either, and why should they? They have equal claim. A negotiated settlement would involve giving ground which is why Israel is happy to continue with the status quo rather than trade land. It's catastrophic that the status quo involves a mini-blitz on civilian populations every few years. King Joke
  • Score: 11

9:38pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Amazinganman says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
They can only let the civilians Stand and fight whilst they skulk about popping off rockets as there is NO where to run or hide !
I don't think the civilians are standing or fighting at all, some are face down on the floor in bits, other hiding, others cowering under their table!

As for popping off rockets; Israel has that pretty well covered, Israel's response of 400 tons of ordnance over 3 days and a Hi-tech American invested missile defence and Super Bunker system shows that!

The current onslaught is like dropping a brick on a cat to kill its fleas. But Propaganda works well on both sides and the intelligence or lack of it , no reports can be trusted, logic just tells you a 200 ft fire ball where a home used to be has to do a lot of damage to flesh and bone. No real trustworthy reports on how many Terrorists or rebels have been killed and the west will never find out and neither will Israel.

Unfortunately you can't trust media or any governments either; too many private agendas, oil, aid and arms deals between the west and middle east.

If anyone picks a side they are wrong also, to support one or the other just shows stupidity, to warrant the killing or add justice to a side in a conflict while men, women and children's bodies pile up is just evil in every sense. Israel has enough support already, they don't need any more with Mr Blair as Peace Envoy( God help them) And the Americans giving them everything they need, Hamas won't be a problem for long, Israel will have to slaughter them all as they don't want the tears from the children becoming new floods of hate in the future.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: They can only let the civilians Stand and fight whilst they skulk about popping off rockets as there is NO where to run or hide ![/p][/quote]I don't think the civilians are standing or fighting at all, some are face down on the floor in bits, other hiding, others cowering under their table! As for popping off rockets; Israel has that pretty well covered, Israel's response of 400 tons of ordnance over 3 days and a Hi-tech American invested missile defence and Super Bunker system shows that! The current onslaught is like dropping a brick on a cat to kill its fleas. But Propaganda works well on both sides and the intelligence or lack of it , no reports can be trusted, logic just tells you a 200 ft fire ball where a home used to be has to do a lot of damage to flesh and bone. No real trustworthy reports on how many Terrorists or rebels have been killed and the west will never find out and neither will Israel. Unfortunately you can't trust media or any governments either; too many private agendas, oil, aid and arms deals between the west and middle east. If anyone picks a side they are wrong also, to support one or the other just shows stupidity, to warrant the killing or add justice to a side in a conflict while men, women and children's bodies pile up is just evil in every sense. Israel has enough support already, they don't need any more with Mr Blair as Peace Envoy( God help them) And the Americans giving them everything they need, Hamas won't be a problem for long, Israel will have to slaughter them all as they don't want the tears from the children becoming new floods of hate in the future. Amazinganman
  • Score: 7

3:00am Wed 16 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

"Unfortunately you can't trust media or any governments either; too many private agendas, oil, aid and arms deals between the west and middle east. "
Your area of expertise,so tell us. You're saying Israel's having a crack at the people firing rockets because Saudi/Iran/Afghanist
an or some Mohammedan schismatic order doesn't like the rocket firers and is financing/ encouraging Israel? Which? Which media can you not trust? For example the Telegraph's reporting yesterday painted a heart-rending picture of events in Gaza. How was that defective?
"Unfortunately you can't trust media or any governments either; too many private agendas, oil, aid and arms deals between the west and middle east. " Your area of expertise,so tell us. You're saying Israel's having a crack at the people firing rockets because Saudi/Iran/Afghanist an or some Mohammedan schismatic order doesn't like the rocket firers and is financing/ encouraging Israel? Which? Which media can you not trust? For example the Telegraph's reporting yesterday painted a heart-rending picture of events in Gaza. How was that defective? Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: -3

7:29am Wed 16 Jul 14

King Joke says...

'Hamas won't be a problem for long' - that's a ridiculous assertion Amazinganman. It's well known that if you kill a jihadi ten more will spring up in his place. Like others have said, there are 1.1 m people in Gaza with very little hope; there will always be plenty of recruits so you can't wish them away any more than you can wish away the state of Israel.

We get the enemy we deserve; we/the US spent years undermining Fatah and ended up with Hamas. Does that look like a sensible policy now?

You're right about taking sides though, it is spectacularly unhelpful. These people need to be brought to a negotiating table. They don't want peace, they want victory. That's their tough sh|t. The international community needs to do more to ensure they start talking.
'Hamas won't be a problem for long' - that's a ridiculous assertion Amazinganman. It's well known that if you kill a jihadi ten more will spring up in his place. Like others have said, there are 1.1 m people in Gaza with very little hope; there will always be plenty of recruits so you can't wish them away any more than you can wish away the state of Israel. We get the enemy we deserve; we/the US spent years undermining Fatah and ended up with Hamas. Does that look like a sensible policy now? You're right about taking sides though, it is spectacularly unhelpful. These people need to be brought to a negotiating table. They don't want peace, they want victory. That's their tough sh|t. The international community needs to do more to ensure they start talking. King Joke
  • Score: 9

2:23pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Redbulls says...

A lot of people are gonna be saying that Hamas turned down the chance of "peace". It is VITAL to understand the arguments here. Please feel free to share this.

1) Egypt has been murdering and imprisoning and torturing Hamas's political allies in Egypt. They are NOT friends of Hamas. They have, however, been in discussions with Israel over military co-operation. Hamas has no reason to trust Egypt.
2) Egypt didn't even contact Hamas before announcing the ceasefire offer. It wasn't a serious offer. Think about your own life for a moment - if you were in dispute with someone, and someone else simply announced to the world "I want them to both stop fighting, and I'm not going to even discuss it with them", you wouldn't take any notice of them.
3) A 'ceasefire' isn't some magical potion. Israel routinely, regularly breaks ceasefires. One thing the Palestinians are good at is meticulously documenting Israeli attacks. All this time when you hear about 'rockets from Gaza', the documented truth is that Israel has drones in the sky firing missiles at people it doesn't like. This goes back decades - the invasion of Lebanon by Israel in 1982 happened because the PLO adhered to the ceasefire and Israel created pretexts for breaking it.
4) Additionally, what would this proposed 'ceasefire' mean? It would mean the existing air attacks by Israel would stop. But in the few weeks before it started, Israel was still shooting dead Palestinian children, Gaza fishermen etc. Israel arrested 6,000 Palestinians and re-arrested all those who had been freed during previous ceasefires. So that is what Egypt wanted to go back to. It wouldn't even be a 'ceasefire' under the commonly understood meaning of it. It would be "a slight reduction in how many children Israel kills". Why would Hamas accept it? In any negotiation, even negotiations while children are being killed, need to be serious. Not just "oh please Israel we'll agree to anything if you'll just stop killing us!"
5) It wouldn't even give Hamas any diplomatic room. You could say "but why not accept it just so Israel would stop for now?" The answer is, YOU wouldn't do that. If you were charged with trying to stop Israel murdering people under your care, you would know that Israel will only stop when it's either forced, or when it's defeated. You wouldn't accept this nonsense, and neither would anyone with any sense. It wouldn't achieve anything - Israel would break the ceasefire like it always does. It's already in massive violation of the UN Charter, chemical weapons conventions and the Geneva Conventions. FFS, they *torture Palestinian children*, what hope is there of making them adhere to a ceasefire?
6) It was never going to happen. Just 3 days ago, Netanyahu publically said that Israel has no interest at all in a ceasefire. That was about 12 hours before Egypt offered it and Israel accepted it.
7) Egypt has no credibility. They have locked the gates at Rafah, thus joining in the siege of Gaza. They allowed Egyptians and other foreigners to leave, but even those whose legs and arms have just been blown off by Israel weren't allowed to leave to get care in Egyptian hospitals. Surely, if you want Gaza to take you seriously, you'll open the gates. You've just been given $bns by the Gulf states, you can afford to give medical care to the victims of Israel.
8) THERE WAS ALREADY A CEASEFIRE. Israel is violating it right now. I know enough about Hamas to be able to say this confidently: If Israel offered to adhere to the original ceasefire, Hamas would be willing to talk. What they actually want is a ceasefire that means something, that starts negotiation on prisoner release and on the loosening/ending of the siege - so that medicines can flow in, cement can be imported etc. Israel doesn't allow these luxuries.
9) Hamas is a social organisaion as well as a political one. It has roots in every part of Gaza society. Sure, lots of people hate it - I'm not a supporter of Hamas. But Hamas has a better idea of what Israel's aims and motives are, and what the people of Gaza want it to do to resist them, than any of us.

My view is, Egypt wants to carry on crushing the Muslim Brotherhood, which Hamas is a part of. I think this ceasefire was a diplomatic gift from Egypt to Israel. Israel always intended to carry on attacking Gaza - but they wanted the diplomatic victory which this fraudulent ceasefire gives it.
A lot of people are gonna be saying that Hamas turned down the chance of "peace". It is VITAL to understand the arguments here. Please feel free to share this. 1) Egypt has been murdering and imprisoning and torturing Hamas's political allies in Egypt. They are NOT friends of Hamas. They have, however, been in discussions with Israel over military co-operation. Hamas has no reason to trust Egypt. 2) Egypt didn't even contact Hamas before announcing the ceasefire offer. It wasn't a serious offer. Think about your own life for a moment - if you were in dispute with someone, and someone else simply announced to the world "I want them to both stop fighting, and I'm not going to even discuss it with them", you wouldn't take any notice of them. 3) A 'ceasefire' isn't some magical potion. Israel routinely, regularly breaks ceasefires. One thing the Palestinians are good at is meticulously documenting Israeli attacks. All this time when you hear about 'rockets from Gaza', the documented truth is that Israel has drones in the sky firing missiles at people it doesn't like. This goes back decades - the invasion of Lebanon by Israel in 1982 happened because the PLO adhered to the ceasefire and Israel created pretexts for breaking it. 4) Additionally, what would this proposed 'ceasefire' mean? It would mean the existing air attacks by Israel would stop. But in the few weeks before it started, Israel was still shooting dead Palestinian children, Gaza fishermen etc. Israel arrested 6,000 Palestinians and re-arrested all those who had been freed during previous ceasefires. So that is what Egypt wanted to go back to. It wouldn't even be a 'ceasefire' under the commonly understood meaning of it. It would be "a slight reduction in how many children Israel kills". Why would Hamas accept it? In any negotiation, even negotiations while children are being killed, need to be serious. Not just "oh please Israel we'll agree to anything if you'll just stop killing us!" 5) It wouldn't even give Hamas any diplomatic room. You could say "but why not accept it just so Israel would stop for now?" The answer is, YOU wouldn't do that. If you were charged with trying to stop Israel murdering people under your care, you would know that Israel will only stop when it's either forced, or when it's defeated. You wouldn't accept this nonsense, and neither would anyone with any sense. It wouldn't achieve anything - Israel would break the ceasefire like it always does. It's already in massive violation of the UN Charter, chemical weapons conventions and the Geneva Conventions. FFS, they *torture Palestinian children*, what hope is there of making them adhere to a ceasefire? 6) It was never going to happen. Just 3 days ago, Netanyahu publically said that Israel has no interest at all in a ceasefire. That was about 12 hours before Egypt offered it and Israel accepted it. 7) Egypt has no credibility. They have locked the gates at Rafah, thus joining in the siege of Gaza. They allowed Egyptians and other foreigners to leave, but even those whose legs and arms have just been blown off by Israel weren't allowed to leave to get care in Egyptian hospitals. Surely, if you want Gaza to take you seriously, you'll open the gates. You've just been given $bns by the Gulf states, you can afford to give medical care to the victims of Israel. 8) THERE WAS ALREADY A CEASEFIRE. Israel is violating it right now. I know enough about Hamas to be able to say this confidently: If Israel offered to adhere to the original ceasefire, Hamas would be willing to talk. What they actually want is a ceasefire that means something, that starts negotiation on prisoner release and on the loosening/ending of the siege - so that medicines can flow in, cement can be imported etc. Israel doesn't allow these luxuries. 9) Hamas is a social organisaion as well as a political one. It has roots in every part of Gaza society. Sure, lots of people hate it - I'm not a supporter of Hamas. But Hamas has a better idea of what Israel's aims and motives are, and what the people of Gaza want it to do to resist them, than any of us. My view is, Egypt wants to carry on crushing the Muslim Brotherhood, which Hamas is a part of. I think this ceasefire was a diplomatic gift from Egypt to Israel. Israel always intended to carry on attacking Gaza - but they wanted the diplomatic victory which this fraudulent ceasefire gives it. Redbulls
  • Score: 1

6:17pm Wed 16 Jul 14

kiddyboy says...

Redbulls wrote:
Quentin Walker wrote:
Meera_4 wrote:
Quentin Walker wrote:
What do they hope to achieve, I wonder?
What do we hope? We hope to liberate Palestine from the opression of the extremists in Isreal, who think it's legitimate to murder innocent women and children. It has been this way for too long, and things need to change; and we want to make that change. So next time you 'wonder about what we're trying to achieve', open your eyes to what is happening in this world... People will only know about this act of inhumanity if the word is spread, and protests are pretty efficient for doing just that?
Rumour has it that rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza. Surely, this can't be true?
rumour has is that David only had a catapult against GOLIATH .... also that its the 4th most powefullest army in the world with NUCLEAR WEAPONS and at present using the "DIME BOMB" along with "WHITE PHOSPHORUS " and many many more weapons which are given free of charge to them from USA which are banned under international law when used against civilians 170+ deaths ( 60+ children, 1200 injured and rising ) time for Israel to give back stolen land and start abiding by International law , it has broken hundreds of U.N laws, at present doing as it pleases ...........
Under international law it is permitted to defend yourselves.....stop firing the rockets and the bombardment will stop........the Muslim extremists as usual don't give a shyte wether kids are killed,they see this as an opportunity to get those other murderous scum Isis to get involved.......if the Palistinians had the nukes they wouldn't hesitate to us them, Islam is the biggest threa o world peace since Nazi Germany and we have already invited the enmy behind our backs..........You'l
l finally see......but it will be to late....
[quote][p][bold]Redbulls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meera_4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Walker[/bold] wrote: What do they hope to achieve, I wonder?[/p][/quote]What do we hope? We hope to liberate Palestine from the opression of the extremists in Isreal, who think it's legitimate to murder innocent women and children. It has been this way for too long, and things need to change; and we want to make that change. So next time you 'wonder about what we're trying to achieve', open your eyes to what is happening in this world... People will only know about this act of inhumanity if the word is spread, and protests are pretty efficient for doing just that?[/p][/quote]Rumour has it that rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza. Surely, this can't be true?[/p][/quote]rumour has is that David only had a catapult against GOLIATH .... also that its the 4th most powefullest army in the world with NUCLEAR WEAPONS and at present using the "DIME BOMB" along with "WHITE PHOSPHORUS " and many many more weapons which are given free of charge to them from USA which are banned under international law when used against civilians 170+ deaths ( 60+ children, 1200 injured and rising ) time for Israel to give back stolen land and start abiding by International law , it has broken hundreds of U.N laws, at present doing as it pleases ...........[/p][/quote]Under international law it is permitted to defend yourselves.....stop firing the rockets and the bombardment will stop........the Muslim extremists as usual don't give a shyte wether kids are killed,they see this as an opportunity to get those other murderous scum Isis to get involved.......if the Palistinians had the nukes they wouldn't hesitate to us them, Islam is the biggest threa o world peace since Nazi Germany and we have already invited the enmy behind our backs..........You'l l finally see......but it will be to late.... kiddyboy
  • Score: -1

6:30pm Wed 16 Jul 14

kiddyboy says...

Muslims only respond to an iron fist,look whats happened in Iraq since Saddam Hussain was ousted....HE knew how to keep the peace,Egypt has smashed the Muslin Brotherhod .....another iron fist....that's all they understand..........
.... Israel know as well.......but still do-gooder westerners seem to think they know best.........jeeeeee
eez
Muslims only respond to an iron fist,look whats happened in Iraq since Saddam Hussain was ousted....HE knew how to keep the peace,Egypt has smashed the Muslin Brotherhod .....another iron fist....that's all they understand.......... .... Israel know as well.......but still do-gooder westerners seem to think they know best.........jeeeeee eez kiddyboy
  • Score: -2

5:21pm Thu 17 Jul 14

The New Private Eye says...

Dr J Price wrote:
fishstew wrote:
im sure they really are going to listen to the great unwashed.. holding up the traffic for people who actually have a job to get home.
Count yourself lucky that you have a home to go to, The people of Oxford were protesting to save the homes of the Palestinian people, so they indeed would also have a home to go to....


Shame on you
Yep and a bunch of terrorists bombing a neighbouring country is the way forward? Well obviously for you and your fellow terrorist sympathizers. Good old Hamas and Hezbollah. Did you support The Nazi ideology as well?
[quote][p][bold]Dr J Price[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fishstew[/bold] wrote: im sure they really are going to listen to the great unwashed.. holding up the traffic for people who actually have a job to get home.[/p][/quote]Count yourself lucky that you have a home to go to, The people of Oxford were protesting to save the homes of the Palestinian people, so they indeed would also have a home to go to.... Shame on you[/p][/quote]Yep and a bunch of terrorists bombing a neighbouring country is the way forward? Well obviously for you and your fellow terrorist sympathizers. Good old Hamas and Hezbollah. Did you support The Nazi ideology as well? The New Private Eye
  • Score: 0

7:38am Fri 18 Jul 14

King Joke says...

Of course it isn't the way forward, but then neither is a government bombing a neighbouring country. Responding with an iron fist, as Israel has always done before, is the perfect way to perpetuate the conflict for years to come. They say a fool is a person who keeps doing the same thing and expecting a different result; well the current Israeli government are not fools so we can only conclude they want to perpetuate the status quo.

Israel is there and has a right to exist, and likewise the Palestinians. Living under one state is probably too much to ask, but a two-state solution is reasonable, if the international community forces the two sides to firstly recognise each other and secondly thrash out a land deal based on internally recognised borders. The current Iron Fist policy blatantly isn't working... jaw, jaw is better than war, war as some bloke once said.
Of course it isn't the way forward, but then neither is a government bombing a neighbouring country. Responding with an iron fist, as Israel has always done before, is the perfect way to perpetuate the conflict for years to come. They say a fool is a person who keeps doing the same thing and expecting a different result; well the current Israeli government are not fools so we can only conclude they want to perpetuate the status quo. Israel is there and has a right to exist, and likewise the Palestinians. Living under one state is probably too much to ask, but a two-state solution is reasonable, if the international community forces the two sides to firstly recognise each other and secondly thrash out a land deal based on internally recognised borders. The current Iron Fist policy blatantly isn't working... jaw, jaw is better than war, war as some bloke once said. King Joke
  • Score: 3

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