Councillor tells of frustration as developer tries again to get permission for housing

Town council leader Sandy Lovatt

Town council leader Sandy Lovatt

First published in News

A NEW attempt to build almost 160 homes south of Abingdon previously opposed by the town’s MP and councillors has been described as “frustrating”.

Abingdon Town Council leader Sandy Lovatt has described the plan as a gamble in the hope of getting a more lenient planning inspector.

Taylor Wimpey, which bought the land off Drayton Road earlier this year, has now submitted a planning application for 159 homes on the site.

It follows an initial plan that was scuppered in March, after Oxfordshire County Council refused permission for two new pedestrian crossings to alleviate traffic.

Mr Lovatt said: “I think they’re just hoping to get a more lenient planning inspector and the chances are pretty high.

“One planning inspector isn’t identical to another.”

Sheffield housing developer Hallam Land Management first applied to build 160 homes at the site in 2012.

Vale of White Horse District Council’s planning committee refused the plan last year on the grounds it would cause unacceptable amounts of traffic.

Hallam estimated the estate would add 100 cars to the queues on Drayton Road at peak times.

The company then won permission on appeal to the government’s planning inspectorate, with the condition that two new pedestrian crossings be created on Ock Street.

But Oxfordshire County Council member for transport, David Nimmo-Smith, rejected the crossing plan in March, halting the whole sceme.

Taylor Wimpey submitted a new planning application in May. A spokesman for the firm said: “We remain committed to developing this site, as we believe our scheme will deliver much-needed high-quality housing in Abingdon. Our new full planning application is consistent with the scheme previously approved.

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1:45pm Wed 25 Jun 14

EMBOX2 says...

So adding 100 cars to the Drayton Rd at peak time will make the queue stretch another few hundred meters. Just what Abingdon needs!
So adding 100 cars to the Drayton Rd at peak time will make the queue stretch another few hundred meters. Just what Abingdon needs! EMBOX2
  • Score: 2

2:41pm Wed 25 Jun 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

EMBOX2 wrote:
So adding 100 cars to the Drayton Rd at peak time will make the queue stretch another few hundred meters. Just what Abingdon needs!
People "do" use public transport you know.
[quote][p][bold]EMBOX2[/bold] wrote: So adding 100 cars to the Drayton Rd at peak time will make the queue stretch another few hundred meters. Just what Abingdon needs![/p][/quote]People "do" use public transport you know. yabbadabbadoo256
  • Score: -2

2:44pm Wed 25 Jun 14

King Joke says...

How will the queue stretch another few hundred meters? Will they be gas meters or electricity meters?
How will the queue stretch another few hundred meters? Will they be gas meters or electricity meters? King Joke
  • Score: -1

3:00pm Wed 25 Jun 14

EMBOX2 says...

King Joke wrote:
How will the queue stretch another few hundred meters? Will they be gas meters or electricity meters?
Doh! Switching off Google Chrome spell-checker as I type...
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: How will the queue stretch another few hundred meters? Will they be gas meters or electricity meters?[/p][/quote]Doh! Switching off Google Chrome spell-checker as I type... EMBOX2
  • Score: 0

4:03pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Wolf Pack says...

I said Bloody Taylor Wimpy will try this they think just they are a big firm they can walk over Everybody this housing site will be stupid until Abingdon has a Ring Road.
I said Bloody Taylor Wimpy will try this they think just they are a big firm they can walk over Everybody this housing site will be stupid until Abingdon has a Ring Road. Wolf Pack
  • Score: 0

4:43pm Wed 25 Jun 14

abingdon resident says...

This morning the queue down the Drayton Road was right back through Steventon. Another 200 cars adding to it would be madness. Residents are already missing hospital appointments etc. I hope we all have an opportunity to fight this proposal. We have also had two traffic deaths already in South Abingdon. Other roads have become rat runs as people try to miss the queues
This morning the queue down the Drayton Road was right back through Steventon. Another 200 cars adding to it would be madness. Residents are already missing hospital appointments etc. I hope we all have an opportunity to fight this proposal. We have also had two traffic deaths already in South Abingdon. Other roads have become rat runs as people try to miss the queues abingdon resident
  • Score: 7

6:54pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

abingdon resident wrote:
This morning the queue down the Drayton Road was right back through Steventon. Another 200 cars adding to it would be madness. Residents are already missing hospital appointments etc. I hope we all have an opportunity to fight this proposal. We have also had two traffic deaths already in South Abingdon. Other roads have become rat runs as people try to miss the queues
Don't fight the proposal...

Embrace it and demand a new river crossing - perhaps a combined road and metro bridge and ring road for Abingdon.
[quote][p][bold]abingdon resident[/bold] wrote: This morning the queue down the Drayton Road was right back through Steventon. Another 200 cars adding to it would be madness. Residents are already missing hospital appointments etc. I hope we all have an opportunity to fight this proposal. We have also had two traffic deaths already in South Abingdon. Other roads have become rat runs as people try to miss the queues[/p][/quote]Don't fight the proposal... Embrace it and demand a new river crossing - perhaps a combined road and metro bridge and ring road for Abingdon. Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 2

9:42am Thu 26 Jun 14

Man on the Green says...

The official figures for additional car movements generated by new housing have been established over many ears of careful measurements and surveys by the Department for Transport and are supposed to be used by councils when assessing traffic impacts of housing developments.

Big landowners (including Taylor Wimpey) are well aware of these figures.

The formula is that each new dwelling (of whatever size, be it a studio flat or a large family home) generates on average between 4.5 and 7 additional vehicle movements. This includes not only the trips made by occupants, but also all the associated journeys made for postal and other forms of delivery, including store and Internet purchase deliveries, those associated with utilities (electricity, gas, water, cable TV and telephone lines, etc.), through to home visits by health visitors and the like, and even counts straightforward visits from friends (not to mention the police!).

The net result (as anyone who can multiply has already worked out) is that the likely impact of a development of this size on the already congested Drayton Road is between 720 and 1,120 additional vehicle movements a day.

Rather more therefore than the 100 mentioned by Taylor Wimpey...

These plans need to be strongly resisted. Abingdon is already choked by the failure of the AbITS scheme (a total hash) and shortsighted planning decisions. Major infrastructure development (and I am not talking about a couple of road crossings!) needs to proceed any further housing growth.

The least damaging way of growing the population and stimulating the economic revival of the town is to allow new housing above and behind shops in the town centre. The occupants would be more likely to turn to the local economy for their needs, to use the wonderful shops, pubs and the few restaurants in town, rather than jump in their cars and go to Didcot. But that requires joined-up thinking, something neither the Council nor its MP have demonstrated to date.
The official figures for additional car movements generated by new housing have been established over many ears of careful measurements and surveys by the Department for Transport and are supposed to be used by councils when assessing traffic impacts of housing developments. Big landowners (including Taylor Wimpey) are well aware of these figures. The formula is that each new dwelling (of whatever size, be it a studio flat or a large family home) generates on average between 4.5 and 7 additional vehicle movements. This includes not only the trips made by occupants, but also all the associated journeys made for postal and other forms of delivery, including store and Internet purchase deliveries, those associated with utilities (electricity, gas, water, cable TV and telephone lines, etc.), through to home visits by health visitors and the like, and even counts straightforward visits from friends (not to mention the police!). The net result (as anyone who can multiply has already worked out) is that the likely impact of a development of this size on the already congested Drayton Road is between 720 and 1,120 additional vehicle movements a day. Rather more therefore than the 100 mentioned by Taylor Wimpey... These plans need to be strongly resisted. Abingdon is already choked by the failure of the AbITS scheme (a total hash) and shortsighted planning decisions. Major infrastructure development (and I am not talking about a couple of road crossings!) needs to proceed any further housing growth. The least damaging way of growing the population and stimulating the economic revival of the town is to allow new housing above and behind shops in the town centre. The occupants would be more likely to turn to the local economy for their needs, to use the wonderful shops, pubs and the few restaurants in town, rather than jump in their cars and go to Didcot. But that requires joined-up thinking, something neither the Council nor its MP have demonstrated to date. Man on the Green
  • Score: 5

9:48am Fri 27 Jun 14

BML says...

So the Conservative Sandy Lovatt is frustrated by the attempt to railroad the new develop through. It was him and his ilk that supported the way the Government imposed the changes to Planning Law.
Most of the planning applications were not agreed on planning criteria but the with of the Planning Committee to support the will of their political masters in Westminster.
It is alleged that as one of the planning applications that was imposed on Steventon went through one member of that Planning Committee said, "I suppose that as we refused the application for Sutton Courtenay we had better let this one through."
So the Conservative Sandy Lovatt is frustrated by the attempt to railroad the new develop through. It was him and his ilk that supported the way the Government imposed the changes to Planning Law. Most of the planning applications were not agreed on planning criteria but the with of the Planning Committee to support the will of their political masters in Westminster. It is alleged that as one of the planning applications that was imposed on Steventon went through one member of that Planning Committee said, "I suppose that as we refused the application for Sutton Courtenay we had better let this one through." BML
  • Score: 1

12:30pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Adrian1 says...

It's hard to trust anyone who gives figures an order of magnitude out 100,... no, 1,000 far closer to reality. My experience though is this, if driving and I stop for an activated crossing, where there wasn't one before, and then again a couple of hundred yards further on, sees my journey time increase not decrease. I'm guessing when talking traffic we're including pedestrians?
It's hard to trust anyone who gives figures an order of magnitude out 100,... no, 1,000 far closer to reality. My experience though is this, if driving and I stop for an activated crossing, where there wasn't one before, and then again a couple of hundred yards further on, sees my journey time increase not decrease. I'm guessing when talking traffic we're including pedestrians? Adrian1
  • Score: 1

10:44pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

Can't be allowed to happen, Preston Road has recently been resurfaced, and it's the only decent stretch of tarmac in Abingdon.........any building work on that plot of land would have an adverse effect on it ;-p
Can't be allowed to happen, Preston Road has recently been resurfaced, and it's the only decent stretch of tarmac in Abingdon.........any building work on that plot of land would have an adverse effect on it ;-p Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 1

3:30am Sat 28 Jun 14

The New Private Eye says...

abingdon resident wrote:
This morning the queue down the Drayton Road was right back through Steventon. Another 200 cars adding to it would be madness. Residents are already missing hospital appointments etc. I hope we all have an opportunity to fight this proposal. We have also had two traffic deaths already in South Abingdon. Other roads have become rat runs as people try to miss the queues
Are you sure about that. When the queue goes back to Preston Road it can take up to ten minutes to get to Ock Street which is about half a mile, that makes the queue from Steventon which is about four miles a massive 1 hour 20 minutes. I don't think that making up stories that are so evidently untrue helps your case
[quote][p][bold]abingdon resident[/bold] wrote: This morning the queue down the Drayton Road was right back through Steventon. Another 200 cars adding to it would be madness. Residents are already missing hospital appointments etc. I hope we all have an opportunity to fight this proposal. We have also had two traffic deaths already in South Abingdon. Other roads have become rat runs as people try to miss the queues[/p][/quote]Are you sure about that. When the queue goes back to Preston Road it can take up to ten minutes to get to Ock Street which is about half a mile, that makes the queue from Steventon which is about four miles a massive 1 hour 20 minutes. I don't think that making up stories that are so evidently untrue helps your case The New Private Eye
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3:42am Sat 28 Jun 14

The New Private Eye says...

alleviate
əˈliːvɪeɪt/
verb
make (suffering, deficiency, or a problem) less severe.

It follows an initial plan that was scuppered in March, after Oxfordshire County Council refused permission for two new pedestrian crossings to alleviate traffic.

Does either the reporter or the council understand plain and simple English. The crossings would not alleviate the traffic, but do exactly the opposite.
alleviate əˈliːvɪeɪt/ verb make (suffering, deficiency, or a problem) less severe. It follows an initial plan that was scuppered in March, after Oxfordshire County Council refused permission for two new pedestrian crossings to alleviate traffic. Does either the reporter or the council understand plain and simple English. The crossings would not alleviate the traffic, but do exactly the opposite. The New Private Eye
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7:11am Sat 28 Jun 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

BML wrote:
So the Conservative Sandy Lovatt is frustrated by the attempt to railroad the new develop through. It was him and his ilk that supported the way the Government imposed the changes to Planning Law.
Most of the planning applications were not agreed on planning criteria but the with of the Planning Committee to support the will of their political masters in Westminster.
It is alleged that as one of the planning applications that was imposed on Steventon went through one member of that Planning Committee said, "I suppose that as we refused the application for Sutton Courtenay we had better let this one through."
The whole housing situation wouldn't have become quite so fraught, would it, without the open door immigration policy of what passed for an administration 1997-2010?
But hey, no doubt we'll have Part 2 of that in 2015. Lots of socialist votes overseas.
[quote][p][bold]BML[/bold] wrote: So the Conservative Sandy Lovatt is frustrated by the attempt to railroad the new develop through. It was him and his ilk that supported the way the Government imposed the changes to Planning Law. Most of the planning applications were not agreed on planning criteria but the with of the Planning Committee to support the will of their political masters in Westminster. It is alleged that as one of the planning applications that was imposed on Steventon went through one member of that Planning Committee said, "I suppose that as we refused the application for Sutton Courtenay we had better let this one through."[/p][/quote]The whole housing situation wouldn't have become quite so fraught, would it, without the open door immigration policy of what passed for an administration 1997-2010? But hey, no doubt we'll have Part 2 of that in 2015. Lots of socialist votes overseas. Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 0

11:41am Sat 28 Jun 14

BML says...

Perhaps we should ask the simple question: "Just who wants these new houses so urgently?" I bet that every person who buys one of the new houses imposed upon Steventon by a Government is moving from a house they already own.
Perhaps we should ask the simple question: "Just who wants these new houses so urgently?" I bet that every person who buys one of the new houses imposed upon Steventon by a Government is moving from a house they already own. BML
  • Score: 0

11:42am Sat 28 Jun 14

BML says...

Perhaps we should ask the simple question: "Just who wants these new houses so urgently?" I bet that every person who buys one of the new houses imposed upon Steventon by the Government is moving from a house they already own.
Perhaps we should ask the simple question: "Just who wants these new houses so urgently?" I bet that every person who buys one of the new houses imposed upon Steventon by the Government is moving from a house they already own. BML
  • Score: 0

12:58pm Mon 30 Jun 14

abingdon resident says...

The New Private Eye wrote:
abingdon resident wrote:
This morning the queue down the Drayton Road was right back through Steventon. Another 200 cars adding to it would be madness. Residents are already missing hospital appointments etc. I hope we all have an opportunity to fight this proposal. We have also had two traffic deaths already in South Abingdon. Other roads have become rat runs as people try to miss the queues
Are you sure about that. When the queue goes back to Preston Road it can take up to ten minutes to get to Ock Street which is about half a mile, that makes the queue from Steventon which is about four miles a massive 1 hour 20 minutes. I don't think that making up stories that are so evidently untrue helps your case
To the New Private Eye. I can see you do not travel down the Drayton Road very often. When there is an accident on the A34 as there regularly is all the traffic comes along the Drayton Road. It often reaches beyond Steventon. Anyone who lives in South Abingdon will verify this. It is not a made up story. I have to travel along this road every day.
[quote][p][bold]The New Private Eye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abingdon resident[/bold] wrote: This morning the queue down the Drayton Road was right back through Steventon. Another 200 cars adding to it would be madness. Residents are already missing hospital appointments etc. I hope we all have an opportunity to fight this proposal. We have also had two traffic deaths already in South Abingdon. Other roads have become rat runs as people try to miss the queues[/p][/quote]Are you sure about that. When the queue goes back to Preston Road it can take up to ten minutes to get to Ock Street which is about half a mile, that makes the queue from Steventon which is about four miles a massive 1 hour 20 minutes. I don't think that making up stories that are so evidently untrue helps your case[/p][/quote]To the New Private Eye. I can see you do not travel down the Drayton Road very often. When there is an accident on the A34 as there regularly is all the traffic comes along the Drayton Road. It often reaches beyond Steventon. Anyone who lives in South Abingdon will verify this. It is not a made up story. I have to travel along this road every day. abingdon resident
  • Score: 0

11:39am Tue 1 Jul 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

abingdon resident wrote:
The New Private Eye wrote:
abingdon resident wrote:
This morning the queue down the Drayton Road was right back through Steventon. Another 200 cars adding to it would be madness. Residents are already missing hospital appointments etc. I hope we all have an opportunity to fight this proposal. We have also had two traffic deaths already in South Abingdon. Other roads have become rat runs as people try to miss the queues
Are you sure about that. When the queue goes back to Preston Road it can take up to ten minutes to get to Ock Street which is about half a mile, that makes the queue from Steventon which is about four miles a massive 1 hour 20 minutes. I don't think that making up stories that are so evidently untrue helps your case
To the New Private Eye. I can see you do not travel down the Drayton Road very often. When there is an accident on the A34 as there regularly is all the traffic comes along the Drayton Road. It often reaches beyond Steventon. Anyone who lives in South Abingdon will verify this. It is not a made up story. I have to travel along this road every day.
Drayton Road seems perfectly fine when I travel along it on a weekday at rush hour
[quote][p][bold]abingdon resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The New Private Eye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abingdon resident[/bold] wrote: This morning the queue down the Drayton Road was right back through Steventon. Another 200 cars adding to it would be madness. Residents are already missing hospital appointments etc. I hope we all have an opportunity to fight this proposal. We have also had two traffic deaths already in South Abingdon. Other roads have become rat runs as people try to miss the queues[/p][/quote]Are you sure about that. When the queue goes back to Preston Road it can take up to ten minutes to get to Ock Street which is about half a mile, that makes the queue from Steventon which is about four miles a massive 1 hour 20 minutes. I don't think that making up stories that are so evidently untrue helps your case[/p][/quote]To the New Private Eye. I can see you do not travel down the Drayton Road very often. When there is an accident on the A34 as there regularly is all the traffic comes along the Drayton Road. It often reaches beyond Steventon. Anyone who lives in South Abingdon will verify this. It is not a made up story. I have to travel along this road every day.[/p][/quote]Drayton Road seems perfectly fine when I travel along it on a weekday at rush hour yabbadabbadoo256
  • Score: -1

9:14am Wed 2 Jul 14

icba1957 says...

Man on the Green says (quite rightly): "Major infrastructure development (and I am not talking about a couple of road crossings!) needs to proceed any further housing growth" (although I assume he meant precede), but the problem in Abingdon is there is so little development that there are no funds to do anything.
Since the massive cuts in local government funding any large schemes have to be funded from developer contributions. A southern ring road and another river crossing - maybe to take Culham to Kennington/Radley traffic out of the town centre - are exacly what's needed, and the county council acknowledges this, but there's no money to pay for them!
Man on the Green says (quite rightly): "Major infrastructure development (and I am not talking about a couple of road crossings!) needs to proceed any further housing growth" (although I assume he meant precede), but the problem in Abingdon is there is so little development that there are no funds to do anything. Since the massive cuts in local government funding any large schemes have to be funded from developer contributions. A southern ring road and another river crossing - maybe to take Culham to Kennington/Radley traffic out of the town centre - are exacly what's needed, and the county council acknowledges this, but there's no money to pay for them! icba1957
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