Family calls for a review into crossings

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THE family of a grandmother who was run over on a zebra crossing have demanded a review of Bicester’s new road system.

It comes less than a fortnight after councillor Les Sibley raised concerns that the area around new zebra crossings, including Queens Avenue and St John’s Street, was too dark, and the Bucknell Road junction hazardous.

Karen Morgan, 56, was on her way home from work at Clinton Cards and was walking on the zebra crossing in St John’s Street, near Sheep Street, when she was struck by a car last Monday, about 5.45pm.

Mrs Morgan suffered a broken arm and shoulder, and spent four days in Banbury’s Horton Hospital.

Future surgery has not been ruled out.

Mrs Morgan, of East Street, said: “I’m still in a lot of pain and I’m tired.

“I don’t remember what happened, I remember trying to sit up off the floor. I could not move my arm and my head hurt.”

She believes traffic light-controlled crossings should be reinstated.

Her daughter, mother-of-two Lisa Smith, 30, of Ravencroft, Bicester, has called for safety improvements at crossings. She said: “It’s the most ridiculous place to have a zebra crossing.

“It’s dangerous. It’s too dark around there, it’s right near a sharp bend.

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“Next time, and there will be a next time, the person involved might not be as lucky as my mum.

“Her injuries are bad, but it could have been a lot worse.”

The road improvements aimed at tackling congestion were implemented last March. Work included replacing traffic lights at the junction of Field Street and St John’s Street with a new mini-roundabout and a new zebra crossing.

St John’s Street became two-way, and traffic was able to turn right out of Bucknell Road, but was stopped from turning right into Bucknell Road from Field Street.

Oxfordshire County Council said it planned to review the changes in June.

Mr Sibley said: “An urgent review is needed now, we can’t wait until June.

“The new road network has been in place since last Easter, that’s surely enough time to see where the issues are.”

Peter Wilson, 69, of Spencer Close, Bicester, previously contacted the council over concerns in Bucknell Road and Field Street.

He said: “The zebra crossing on this roundabout is so badly positioned as to make it dangerous for people using this crossing and for cars turning right out of Bucknell Road.”

A county council spokesman said it could not comment on individual accidents.

But he said road safety will be monitored and a review was planned for June.

Police said the incident was still being investigated and no charges have been brought.

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12:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

King Joke says...

Zebra crossings work perfectly well up and down the country, and pelican crossings are often a waste of time for pedestrians as they take 2-3 minutes to change once the button is pressed.

If motorists are abusing the crossings and running over people like Ms Morgan, they need to be hammered hard with fines and licence confiscations. A few well-publicised cases would help moderate people's behaviour.
Zebra crossings work perfectly well up and down the country, and pelican crossings are often a waste of time for pedestrians as they take 2-3 minutes to change once the button is pressed. If motorists are abusing the crossings and running over people like Ms Morgan, they need to be hammered hard with fines and licence confiscations. A few well-publicised cases would help moderate people's behaviour. King Joke
  • Score: 3

12:28pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Quentin Walker says...

I am not casting aspersions on Mrs Morgan, however, there is a duty on pedestrians to use crossings sensibly.

All too often, I observe people stepping straight onto zebra crossings without first ensuring it is safe and reasonable to do so.
I am not casting aspersions on Mrs Morgan, however, there is a duty on pedestrians to use crossings sensibly. All too often, I observe people stepping straight onto zebra crossings without first ensuring it is safe and reasonable to do so. Quentin Walker
  • Score: 10

12:30pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Bart_simpsonDoh says...

I also find that pedestrians at times don't even wait to cross, they just step out without looking expecting traffic to stop.
I also find that pedestrians at times don't even wait to cross, they just step out without looking expecting traffic to stop. Bart_simpsonDoh
  • Score: 10

1:09pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Doctor69 says...

From someone who lives in Bicester, I have a good feel for these crossings. They are doing a good job in improving the traffic flow and reducing congestion. However, they are in slightly strange / dangerous positions. The crossing near the Bucknell Road, just past the roundabout is dangerous as often cars are going to fast and don't want to stop, or maybe don't see the crossing until its too late. I have had several incidents where drivers have failed to stop as i approach the crossing pushing my son in his pushchair. Luckily I air on the side of caution and presume cars wont stop.
From someone who lives in Bicester, I have a good feel for these crossings. They are doing a good job in improving the traffic flow and reducing congestion. However, they are in slightly strange / dangerous positions. The crossing near the Bucknell Road, just past the roundabout is dangerous as often cars are going to fast and don't want to stop, or maybe don't see the crossing until its too late. I have had several incidents where drivers have failed to stop as i approach the crossing pushing my son in his pushchair. Luckily I air on the side of caution and presume cars wont stop. Doctor69
  • Score: 1

1:11pm Tue 4 Mar 14

King Joke says...

If cars are failing to slow down do we need a couple of speed humps to remind them a crossing is there?

In the olden days, zig-zag lines and flashing yellow lights on stripey poles were enough to attract their attention, but I guess these days these measures simply can't compete with the sat-nav and the smart phone for the driver's attention.
If cars are failing to slow down do we need a couple of speed humps to remind them a crossing is there? In the olden days, zig-zag lines and flashing yellow lights on stripey poles were enough to attract their attention, but I guess these days these measures simply can't compete with the sat-nav and the smart phone for the driver's attention. King Joke
  • Score: 0

1:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

dowhatyoulike says...

this is a bad place for a crossing, if you are coming from bicester village you have look right to see if any traffic turning right from town, and then the crossing is only 50yards over the junction. if you are turning right, you barely get over the roundabout and then someone may be crossing, you might not see them as they could be in your blind spot. Agreed that at times people do just walk out on the crossing without a care in the world....its not anyones fault, its poor design and location, you do not need speed humps, as you are at a junction, hard to get to 10mph before you get to the crossing!! people whether pedestrian or motorist just need to take care and use there attention at this junction....
this is a bad place for a crossing, if you are coming from bicester village you have look right to see if any traffic turning right from town, and then the crossing is only 50yards over the junction. if you are turning right, you barely get over the roundabout and then someone may be crossing, you might not see them as they could be in your blind spot. Agreed that at times people do just walk out on the crossing without a care in the world....its not anyones fault, its poor design and location, you do not need speed humps, as you are at a junction, hard to get to 10mph before you get to the crossing!! people whether pedestrian or motorist just need to take care and use there attention at this junction.... dowhatyoulike
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Tue 4 Mar 14

King Joke says...

dowhatyoulike wrote:
this is a bad place for a crossing, if you are coming from bicester village you have look right to see if any traffic turning right from town, and then the crossing is only 50yards over the junction. if you are turning right, you barely get over the roundabout and then someone may be crossing, you might not see them as they could be in your blind spot. Agreed that at times people do just walk out on the crossing without a care in the world....its not anyones fault, its poor design and location, you do not need speed humps, as you are at a junction, hard to get to 10mph before you get to the crossing!! people whether pedestrian or motorist just need to take care and use there attention at this junction....
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

The crossing is in the right place because it is where people need to cross.

So what if it's only 50 m from the junction? It's jolly well signposted with zig-zags and belishas. If you can see them, you can see any pedestrians on the crossing.
[quote][p][bold]dowhatyoulike[/bold] wrote: this is a bad place for a crossing, if you are coming from bicester village you have look right to see if any traffic turning right from town, and then the crossing is only 50yards over the junction. if you are turning right, you barely get over the roundabout and then someone may be crossing, you might not see them as they could be in your blind spot. Agreed that at times people do just walk out on the crossing without a care in the world....its not anyones fault, its poor design and location, you do not need speed humps, as you are at a junction, hard to get to 10mph before you get to the crossing!! people whether pedestrian or motorist just need to take care and use there attention at this junction....[/p][/quote]NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. The crossing is in the right place because it is where people need to cross. So what if it's only 50 m from the junction? It's jolly well signposted with zig-zags and belishas. If you can see them, you can see any pedestrians on the crossing. King Joke
  • Score: -3

1:50pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Myron Blatz says...

Forget all that 'improving traffic flow' rubbish and let's get back to giving way to the pedestrian - and I'm a driver, bus and rail user, cyclist and pedestrian! Let's also get out MPs to back safer pedestrian crossings - most of which with traffic lights, you have to be an olympic sprinter to cross safely before the red light changes to a flashing one, and the nightmare for pedestrians. As for the incident in question, the vehicle driver must surely be at least liable for having driven without due care and attention?
Forget all that 'improving traffic flow' rubbish and let's get back to giving way to the pedestrian - and I'm a driver, bus and rail user, cyclist and pedestrian! Let's also get out MPs to back safer pedestrian crossings - most of which with traffic lights, you have to be an olympic sprinter to cross safely before the red light changes to a flashing one, and the nightmare for pedestrians. As for the incident in question, the vehicle driver must surely be at least liable for having driven without due care and attention? Myron Blatz
  • Score: -4

3:28pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

A few weeks of "spot" zebra crossing monitoring by traffic police in Oxford would be most welcome.

The current strategy, by many drivers, of accelerating briskly as soon as the pedestrian has cleared the width of their car isn't ideal.
A few weeks of "spot" zebra crossing monitoring by traffic police in Oxford would be most welcome. The current strategy, by many drivers, of accelerating briskly as soon as the pedestrian has cleared the width of their car isn't ideal. Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 2

6:04pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Bicester retired says...

I have used that crossing a few times and agree that it is in an awkward location. I think that it was put there for the convenience of the pedestrians coming from or going to Bucknell Road. There is another crossing less than 100 yards away with traffic lights and it is much safer to cross there. It is a matter of choice, either walk farther and cross the road more safely at the other crossing or be more careful when using this awkward crossing. If this crossing is considered to be 'dangerous', the appropriate action will be to abolish it and then everyone will have to walk farther to use the other crossing. Putting traffic lights for this awkward crossing is not practical and will cause unnecessary congestion to the road users, particularly at busy times and will not benefit Bicester as a whole. A practical solution may be to put up some warning signs to warn the pedestrians to watch the incoming traffic when crossing.
I have used that crossing a few times and agree that it is in an awkward location. I think that it was put there for the convenience of the pedestrians coming from or going to Bucknell Road. There is another crossing less than 100 yards away with traffic lights and it is much safer to cross there. It is a matter of choice, either walk farther and cross the road more safely at the other crossing or be more careful when using this awkward crossing. If this crossing is considered to be 'dangerous', the appropriate action will be to abolish it and then everyone will have to walk farther to use the other crossing. Putting traffic lights for this awkward crossing is not practical and will cause unnecessary congestion to the road users, particularly at busy times and will not benefit Bicester as a whole. A practical solution may be to put up some warning signs to warn the pedestrians to watch the incoming traffic when crossing. Bicester retired
  • Score: 1

10:58pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Bicester123 says...

As a pedestrian I have been half way across the crossing at the bottom of Bucknell Road when cars have gone straight through without stopping, and as a driver, turning right from St John's St at the the new roundabout on Queen's Ave towards the crossing, it is very difficult to see pedestrians between the cars in heavy traffic so I know this from both sides.

As I know the area I can slow down in anticipation of this but if you don't, there are a lot of things to take in in a short space of time.
As a pedestrian I have been half way across the crossing at the bottom of Bucknell Road when cars have gone straight through without stopping, and as a driver, turning right from St John's St at the the new roundabout on Queen's Ave towards the crossing, it is very difficult to see pedestrians between the cars in heavy traffic so I know this from both sides. As I know the area I can slow down in anticipation of this but if you don't, there are a lot of things to take in in a short space of time. Bicester123
  • Score: 1

8:58am Wed 5 Mar 14

King Joke says...

Bicester 123, if the signs/markings telling you there is a crossing aren't enough to make you slow down then you shouldn't be on the road. From what you're saying you find it surprising there might be pedestrians... on a pedestrian crossing.

Bicester Retired, are you really serious? Do you really think pedestrians don't expect there to be incoming traffic on a road crossing? If cars slowed down and looked for pedestrians there would be no danger. This is why I suggested speed humps.
Bicester 123, if the signs/markings telling you there is a crossing aren't enough to make you slow down then you shouldn't be on the road. From what you're saying you find it surprising there might be pedestrians... on a pedestrian crossing. Bicester Retired, are you really serious? Do you really think pedestrians don't expect there to be incoming traffic on a road crossing? If cars slowed down and looked for pedestrians there would be no danger. This is why I suggested speed humps. King Joke
  • Score: -1

11:01am Wed 5 Mar 14

Bicester retired says...

King Joke wrote:
Bicester 123, if the signs/markings telling you there is a crossing aren't enough to make you slow down then you shouldn't be on the road. From what you're saying you find it surprising there might be pedestrians... on a pedestrian crossing.

Bicester Retired, are you really serious? Do you really think pedestrians don't expect there to be incoming traffic on a road crossing? If cars slowed down and looked for pedestrians there would be no danger. This is why I suggested speed humps.
Do you know the area ? Traffic comes from 4 directions toward the crossing, two straight and two from right turns from different roads and the crossing is immediately after the turns. The problem is that pedestrians normally think that the incoming cars will stop as they cross the road, but the drivers doing the turn before the crossing cannot easily see that there is a crossing immediately ahead as they have to look for the traffic before doing the turn. This is particularly the case for drivers not familiar with the area. Speed humps cannot solve the problem as again they cannot be seen easily by drivers doing the turn.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: Bicester 123, if the signs/markings telling you there is a crossing aren't enough to make you slow down then you shouldn't be on the road. From what you're saying you find it surprising there might be pedestrians... on a pedestrian crossing. Bicester Retired, are you really serious? Do you really think pedestrians don't expect there to be incoming traffic on a road crossing? If cars slowed down and looked for pedestrians there would be no danger. This is why I suggested speed humps.[/p][/quote]Do you know the area ? Traffic comes from 4 directions toward the crossing, two straight and two from right turns from different roads and the crossing is immediately after the turns. The problem is that pedestrians normally think that the incoming cars will stop as they cross the road, but the drivers doing the turn before the crossing cannot easily see that there is a crossing immediately ahead as they have to look for the traffic before doing the turn. This is particularly the case for drivers not familiar with the area. Speed humps cannot solve the problem as again they cannot be seen easily by drivers doing the turn. Bicester retired
  • Score: 1

4:25pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Bicester123 says...

King Joke wrote:
Bicester 123, if the signs/markings telling you there is a crossing aren't enough to make you slow down then you shouldn't be on the road. From what you're saying you find it surprising there might be pedestrians... on a pedestrian crossing.

Bicester Retired, are you really serious? Do you really think pedestrians don't expect there to be incoming traffic on a road crossing? If cars slowed down and looked for pedestrians there would be no danger. This is why I suggested speed humps.
Actually, if you read my post properly, I was saying that if you didn't know the area you might not know the crossing was there.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: Bicester 123, if the signs/markings telling you there is a crossing aren't enough to make you slow down then you shouldn't be on the road. From what you're saying you find it surprising there might be pedestrians... on a pedestrian crossing. Bicester Retired, are you really serious? Do you really think pedestrians don't expect there to be incoming traffic on a road crossing? If cars slowed down and looked for pedestrians there would be no danger. This is why I suggested speed humps.[/p][/quote]Actually, if you read my post properly, I was saying that if you didn't know the area you might not know the crossing was there. Bicester123
  • Score: 1

9:08am Fri 7 Mar 14

King Joke says...

What, a crossing with belisha beacons and zig-zag lines? How much more obvious do you want it to be? On that basis a signalised crossing would be no use either, as people 'not familiar with the area' would sail straight through the red lights as they were not expecting them.

Bicester retired's protest that traffic comes 'from four different directions' is laughable - this happens quite frequently, it's called a 'crossroads'

Driving entails always looking out for road markings, road signs, junctions, other vehicles and most importantly vulnerable road users (a car being a lethal weapon). If you are incapable of handling that volume of information, either slow the hell down or surrender your licence altogether.

Driving is not swanning along, seeing what you expect to see and not bothering with annoying details like pedestrian crossings.
What, a crossing with belisha beacons and zig-zag lines? How much more obvious do you want it to be? On that basis a signalised crossing would be no use either, as people 'not familiar with the area' would sail straight through the red lights as they were not expecting them. Bicester retired's protest that traffic comes 'from four different directions' is laughable - this happens quite frequently, it's called a 'crossroads' Driving entails always looking out for road markings, road signs, junctions, other vehicles and most importantly vulnerable road users (a car being a lethal weapon). If you are incapable of handling that volume of information, either slow the hell down or surrender your licence altogether. Driving is not swanning along, seeing what you expect to see and not bothering with annoying details like pedestrian crossings. King Joke
  • Score: 0

8:41pm Fri 7 Mar 14

lisa140383 says...

In responce to quentin walker I am karen morganss daughter.my mother stopped at the crossing and the car on the right had stopped the left was clear she checked again before crossin and still it was clear so she crossed then the car that hit her came out of no where. Now because of this car my mother is disabled in that arm and will never be able to use it the same again. I wonder if you would have the same opinion if one of your
Family members had been hit
In responce to quentin walker I am karen morganss daughter.my mother stopped at the crossing and the car on the right had stopped the left was clear she checked again before crossin and still it was clear so she crossed then the car that hit her came out of no where. Now because of this car my mother is disabled in that arm and will never be able to use it the same again. I wonder if you would have the same opinion if one of your Family members had been hit lisa140383
  • Score: 0

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