Update: A34 fatal crash will be referred to the IPCC

Oxford Mail: A34 shut southbound after fatal crash A34 shut southbound after fatal crash

THAMES Valley Police will be referring this morning’s crash on the A34 to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

Police officers were called to the southbound carriageway of the A34 at 3am after reports that a dead badger was causing an obstruction.

Traffic was slowed down so the badger could be removed but while this was happening the two vehicles collided.

The driver of one of the lorries was taken to the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford but later died of his injuries.

Deaths and serious injuries which may have been caused by someone serving with the police have to be referred to the IPCC.

A spokeswoman for South Central Ambulance Service said one man who was seriously injured had been taken to the John Radcliffe Hospital, where he was later declared dead.

The other driver was treated for minor injuries.

Oxfordshire Fire and Rescue Service said firefighters were called to the scene at 3.14am and left at 4.27am.

In addition, as a result of the diversion in place,  very slow, and heavier than normal, traffic was reported on Drayton Road (B4017) both ways between A4130 (Milton Hill) and A415 Ock Street / Spring Road (Abingdon).

Other nearby routes in the area have also been affected.

 

 

 

 

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12:54pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Bart_simpsonDoh says...

It always makes me wonder how when there are only two vehicles on the road they collide with each other? Why was both sides of the road closed?
It always makes me wonder how when there are only two vehicles on the road they collide with each other? Why was both sides of the road closed? Bart_simpsonDoh

12:57pm Fri 21 Feb 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

Its sad for the fatalities involved, but something should be said as for why it seems to take TVP over 8 hours to investigate an accident on the A34 especially when they were already attending to an incident at the scene when it happened..
Its sad for the fatalities involved, but something should be said as for why it seems to take TVP over 8 hours to investigate an accident on the A34 especially when they were already attending to an incident at the scene when it happened.. yabbadabbadoo256

1:29pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Gunslinger says...

While fatal accidents obviously have to be investigated properly, the public surely are entitled to know why exactly it should take 9 hours to clear and reopen the road after an accident of this sort.
Unnecessary diversions and widespread gridlock are themselves not without considerable risk of harm, because of increased traffic volumes on unsuitable alternative routes (eg the A338) and delayed responses by emergency vehicles.
Are there issues of police (under)funding involved in the slow speed of response and investigation? Are the actions of the police officers at the scene prior to the accident under scrutiny?
The police need to be much more transparent and open about what they are doing and why.
What is our elected P&CC doing to inform us? Or is he just there to draw his (and his chums') expenses and allowances and not ask awkward questions?
While fatal accidents obviously have to be investigated properly, the public surely are entitled to know why exactly it should take 9 hours to clear and reopen the road after an accident of this sort. Unnecessary diversions and widespread gridlock are themselves not without considerable risk of harm, because of increased traffic volumes on unsuitable alternative routes (eg the A338) and delayed responses by emergency vehicles. Are there issues of police (under)funding involved in the slow speed of response and investigation? Are the actions of the police officers at the scene prior to the accident under scrutiny? The police need to be much more transparent and open about what they are doing and why. What is our elected P&CC doing to inform us? Or is he just there to draw his (and his chums') expenses and allowances and not ask awkward questions? Gunslinger

5:17pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Muckaway says...

Re; the recovery, you need specialised wreckers to recover large lorries, separate and stabilise the wrecks and the police will want said vehicles covered up to protect evidence etc.
I know badgers could be hazardous to motorcycles but wouldn't it've been better to have left it in the road and let passing lorries squash it?
Re; the recovery, you need specialised wreckers to recover large lorries, separate and stabilise the wrecks and the police will want said vehicles covered up to protect evidence etc. I know badgers could be hazardous to motorcycles but wouldn't it've been better to have left it in the road and let passing lorries squash it? Muckaway

5:39pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Interestedinoxford says...

Gunslinger wrote:
While fatal accidents obviously have to be investigated properly, the public surely are entitled to know why exactly it should take 9 hours to clear and reopen the road after an accident of this sort.
Unnecessary diversions and widespread gridlock are themselves not without considerable risk of harm, because of increased traffic volumes on unsuitable alternative routes (eg the A338) and delayed responses by emergency vehicles.
Are there issues of police (under)funding involved in the slow speed of response and investigation? Are the actions of the police officers at the scene prior to the accident under scrutiny?
The police need to be much more transparent and open about what they are doing and why.
What is our elected P&CC doing to inform us? Or is he just there to draw his (and his chums') expenses and allowances and not ask awkward questions?
If you were related to the deceased you may view things differently. Sorry for your delay.
[quote][p][bold]Gunslinger[/bold] wrote: While fatal accidents obviously have to be investigated properly, the public surely are entitled to know why exactly it should take 9 hours to clear and reopen the road after an accident of this sort. Unnecessary diversions and widespread gridlock are themselves not without considerable risk of harm, because of increased traffic volumes on unsuitable alternative routes (eg the A338) and delayed responses by emergency vehicles. Are there issues of police (under)funding involved in the slow speed of response and investigation? Are the actions of the police officers at the scene prior to the accident under scrutiny? The police need to be much more transparent and open about what they are doing and why. What is our elected P&CC doing to inform us? Or is he just there to draw his (and his chums') expenses and allowances and not ask awkward questions?[/p][/quote]If you were related to the deceased you may view things differently. Sorry for your delay. Interestedinoxford

5:44pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Interestedinoxford says...

Muckaway wrote:
Re; the recovery, you need specialised wreckers to recover large lorries, separate and stabilise the wrecks and the police will want said vehicles covered up to protect evidence etc.
I know badgers could be hazardous to motorcycles but wouldn't it've been better to have left it in the road and let passing lorries squash it?
TVP cannot win.
How many cars may have swerved on seeing an unknown object on the carriageway. Was this at night as well ?
[quote][p][bold]Muckaway[/bold] wrote: Re; the recovery, you need specialised wreckers to recover large lorries, separate and stabilise the wrecks and the police will want said vehicles covered up to protect evidence etc. I know badgers could be hazardous to motorcycles but wouldn't it've been better to have left it in the road and let passing lorries squash it?[/p][/quote]TVP cannot win. How many cars may have swerved on seeing an unknown object on the carriageway. Was this at night as well ? Interestedinoxford

5:46pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Interestedinoxford says...

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
It always makes me wonder how when there are only two vehicles on the road they collide with each other? Why was both sides of the road closed?
Not sure if this was the case but if it was then it is well known that traffic on the unaffected carriageway slows down to have a good look and ...another accident.
[quote][p][bold]Bart_simpsonDoh[/bold] wrote: It always makes me wonder how when there are only two vehicles on the road they collide with each other? Why was both sides of the road closed?[/p][/quote]Not sure if this was the case but if it was then it is well known that traffic on the unaffected carriageway slows down to have a good look and ...another accident. Interestedinoxford

6:15pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Sophia says...

I have seen this before - when police cause an accident they go to town with forensics and so on, a day closed is nothing to them. What do they care? They are covering their backs and probably ensuring the evidence that they capture looks the best way it can. Or even better than that
I have seen this before - when police cause an accident they go to town with forensics and so on, a day closed is nothing to them. What do they care? They are covering their backs and probably ensuring the evidence that they capture looks the best way it can. Or even better than that Sophia

7:40pm Fri 21 Feb 14

OxonResident says...

Anyone travelling south on A34 this morning to get to work and then north this evening to get home must have had a horrendous day. Thankfully I was going the other direction but it looked very bad queue wise both morning and evening due to the accidents.
Anyone travelling south on A34 this morning to get to work and then north this evening to get home must have had a horrendous day. Thankfully I was going the other direction but it looked very bad queue wise both morning and evening due to the accidents. OxonResident

8:13pm Fri 21 Feb 14

bicesterlady says...

Maybe the police shut the road to gather evidence as to what actually happened rather than just speculate wildly & incorrectly. The police are accountable & if they didn't investigate fully people would be accusing them if not taking it seriously.
Let's not forget that somewhere there is a grieving family
Maybe the police shut the road to gather evidence as to what actually happened rather than just speculate wildly & incorrectly. The police are accountable & if they didn't investigate fully people would be accusing them if not taking it seriously. Let's not forget that somewhere there is a grieving family bicesterlady

8:19pm Fri 21 Feb 14

badger77 says...

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
It always makes me wonder how when there are only two vehicles on the road they collide with each other? Why was both sides of the road closed?
The truck jacknifed across the carriageway into the barrier and encroached into lane 2 of the Northbound carraigeway
[quote][p][bold]Bart_simpsonDoh[/bold] wrote: It always makes me wonder how when there are only two vehicles on the road they collide with each other? Why was both sides of the road closed?[/p][/quote]The truck jacknifed across the carriageway into the barrier and encroached into lane 2 of the Northbound carraigeway badger77

8:27pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Muckaway says...

Interestedinoxford wrote:
Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
It always makes me wonder how when there are only two vehicles on the road they collide with each other? Why was both sides of the road closed?
Not sure if this was the case but if it was then it is well known that traffic on the unaffected carriageway slows down to have a good look and ...another accident.
If diesel was spilled then the road would need resurfacing as the tarmac would be damaged. It goes slippery and very pliable. This is why our Caravan Using Nomadic Travellers add diesel to the old tarmac they happen to have leftover from a job.
[quote][p][bold]Interestedinoxford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bart_simpsonDoh[/bold] wrote: It always makes me wonder how when there are only two vehicles on the road they collide with each other? Why was both sides of the road closed?[/p][/quote]Not sure if this was the case but if it was then it is well known that traffic on the unaffected carriageway slows down to have a good look and ...another accident.[/p][/quote]If diesel was spilled then the road would need resurfacing as the tarmac would be damaged. It goes slippery and very pliable. This is why our Caravan Using Nomadic Travellers add diesel to the old tarmac they happen to have leftover from a job. Muckaway

9:18pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Now hear this says...

So some of you have been stuck in traffic, lets not forget that someone has DIED here. So what would you do? open the road quickly so we can all get to work, and risk being slaughtered by the press and associated police knockers and probably put other road users in danger by not doing a proper job. I do not like the traffic police but anyone who thinks this because they have been delayed needs to have a good look at yourself in the mirror. particularly you SOPHIA, shame on you
So some of you have been stuck in traffic, lets not forget that someone has DIED here. So what would you do? open the road quickly so we can all get to work, and risk being slaughtered by the press and associated police knockers and probably put other road users in danger by not doing a proper job. I do not like the traffic police but anyone who thinks this because they have been delayed needs to have a good look at yourself in the mirror. particularly you SOPHIA, shame on you Now hear this

10:28pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Gunslinger says...

Now hear this wrote:
So some of you have been stuck in traffic, lets not forget that someone has DIED here. So what would you do? open the road quickly so we can all get to work, and risk being slaughtered by the press and associated police knockers and probably put other road users in danger by not doing a proper job. I do not like the traffic police but anyone who thinks this because they have been delayed needs to have a good look at yourself in the mirror. particularly you SOPHIA, shame on you
Nothing to do with being delayed.
Obviously if there has been a fatal accident it has to be investigated properly, obviously if there has been damage to the infrastructure it has to be made safe. Maybe there were very good reasons why it should take 9 hours to deal with it. We don't know because there is no reliable information about what is going on.
There is a question of balance here; some of the routes onto which traffic is decanted are themselves dangerous (eg the A338 north of East Hanney); widespead gridlock can delay ambulances and other emergency vehicles, particularly when some routes are still affected by flooding. Several other accidents have been reported along the A34 which may or may not have been knock on effects of the delays.
What is needed is greater accountability and openness on the part of the police, explanations of what they are doing and why. Sadly these days public trust in the police is perhaps not what it was; the alternative is speculation and suspicion.
[quote][p][bold]Now hear this[/bold] wrote: So some of you have been stuck in traffic, lets not forget that someone has DIED here. So what would you do? open the road quickly so we can all get to work, and risk being slaughtered by the press and associated police knockers and probably put other road users in danger by not doing a proper job. I do not like the traffic police but anyone who thinks this because they have been delayed needs to have a good look at yourself in the mirror. particularly you SOPHIA, shame on you[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with being delayed. Obviously if there has been a fatal accident it has to be investigated properly, obviously if there has been damage to the infrastructure it has to be made safe. Maybe there were very good reasons why it should take 9 hours to deal with it. We don't know because there is no reliable information about what is going on. There is a question of balance here; some of the routes onto which traffic is decanted are themselves dangerous (eg the A338 north of East Hanney); widespead gridlock can delay ambulances and other emergency vehicles, particularly when some routes are still affected by flooding. Several other accidents have been reported along the A34 which may or may not have been knock on effects of the delays. What is needed is greater accountability and openness on the part of the police, explanations of what they are doing and why. Sadly these days public trust in the police is perhaps not what it was; the alternative is speculation and suspicion. Gunslinger

8:20am Sat 22 Feb 14

Now hear this says...

Gunslinger, I think the accountability and openness comes when the coroner investigates does it not? The reason accidents happen on the A34 is people not being able to stop in time(a basic driving requirement as I remember it) As for your insightful comment' may or may not have been the knock on effects' Is basically saying you don't know, so we should all stick to what we know which is a basic distrust of the police by all the contributors, moaning about the traffic delays, and feeling sorry for ourselves because we don't know the police procedures.
Gunslinger, I think the accountability and openness comes when the coroner investigates does it not? The reason accidents happen on the A34 is people not being able to stop in time(a basic driving requirement as I remember it) As for your insightful comment' may or may not have been the knock on effects' Is basically saying you don't know, so we should all stick to what we know which is a basic distrust of the police by all the contributors, moaning about the traffic delays, and feeling sorry for ourselves because we don't know the police procedures. Now hear this

9:40pm Sat 22 Feb 14

aliej says...

OMG! Someone died in awful circumstances and all people can worry about is being inconvienienced! You can't just stick those vehicles on the back of an AA breakdown truck, not to mention the time it took to get one of the drivers out of the vehicle. When there's a fatality or serious injury measurements and pictures of every detail have to be recorded before ANYTHING is moved.
Some people are saying that they should have just left the badger there, well i've been in car that has hit a badger and it was on a counrty road and no where near the speed that people travel on the A34 and i can tell you it was an unpleasent experience with significant damage to the car. I can't imagine the potential consequences of hitting an adult badger at 70mph ( or faster) or swerving to miss it. sadley there are far too many selfish peple on this planet and as for the Police, well they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
OMG! Someone died in awful circumstances and all people can worry about is being inconvienienced! You can't just stick those vehicles on the back of an AA breakdown truck, not to mention the time it took to get one of the drivers out of the vehicle. When there's a fatality or serious injury measurements and pictures of every detail have to be recorded before ANYTHING is moved. Some people are saying that they should have just left the badger there, well i've been in car that has hit a badger and it was on a counrty road and no where near the speed that people travel on the A34 and i can tell you it was an unpleasent experience with significant damage to the car. I can't imagine the potential consequences of hitting an adult badger at 70mph ( or faster) or swerving to miss it. sadley there are far too many selfish peple on this planet and as for the Police, well they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. aliej

11:59pm Sat 22 Feb 14

nickwilcock says...

It is, of course, extremely tragic that one of the HGV drivers has passed away.

We know that firefighters were called to the scene at 03:14 and left at 04:27. Presumably the next stage would be to recover the damaged vehicles and to remove debris from the road, ensuring that the central barrier was secure.

But does that really require 9 hours?

The A34 is now a horrible road, totally inadequate for the volume of traffic which uses it. As far as I'm concerned, it simply isn't worth the risk to use it during the week, given the number of accidents and road closures it experiences. I remember when the last dual carriageway section was finally opened, giving dual carriageway all the way from north of Oxford to Newbury after piecemeal bypass-linking / dualling over the period from 1978-1990. For a few years it was adequate, but now it is far from being so.

Sorry to the tree-huggers, but the A34/A43 needs to be motorway standard all the way from Southampton to Stamford. Similarly, the A40 should be motorway standard from the M40 to the M5. Otherwise, these accidents will sadly become more and more common.

And again, condolences to the family of the deceased driver.
It is, of course, extremely tragic that one of the HGV drivers has passed away. We know that firefighters were called to the scene at 03:14 and left at 04:27. Presumably the next stage would be to recover the damaged vehicles and to remove debris from the road, ensuring that the central barrier was secure. But does that really require 9 hours? The A34 is now a horrible road, totally inadequate for the volume of traffic which uses it. As far as I'm concerned, it simply isn't worth the risk to use it during the week, given the number of accidents and road closures it experiences. I remember when the last dual carriageway section was finally opened, giving dual carriageway all the way from north of Oxford to Newbury after piecemeal bypass-linking / dualling over the period from 1978-1990. For a few years it was adequate, but now it is far from being so. Sorry to the tree-huggers, but the A34/A43 needs to be motorway standard all the way from Southampton to Stamford. Similarly, the A40 should be motorway standard from the M40 to the M5. Otherwise, these accidents will sadly become more and more common. And again, condolences to the family of the deceased driver. nickwilcock

4:37pm Mon 24 Feb 14

LouiseOxford says...

nickwilcock wrote:
It is, of course, extremely tragic that one of the HGV drivers has passed away.

We know that firefighters were called to the scene at 03:14 and left at 04:27. Presumably the next stage would be to recover the damaged vehicles and to remove debris from the road, ensuring that the central barrier was secure.

But does that really require 9 hours?

The A34 is now a horrible road, totally inadequate for the volume of traffic which uses it. As far as I'm concerned, it simply isn't worth the risk to use it during the week, given the number of accidents and road closures it experiences. I remember when the last dual carriageway section was finally opened, giving dual carriageway all the way from north of Oxford to Newbury after piecemeal bypass-linking / dualling over the period from 1978-1990. For a few years it was adequate, but now it is far from being so.

Sorry to the tree-huggers, but the A34/A43 needs to be motorway standard all the way from Southampton to Stamford. Similarly, the A40 should be motorway standard from the M40 to the M5. Otherwise, these accidents will sadly become more and more common.

And again, condolences to the family of the deceased driver.
I've watched enough Traffic Cops to know that they cannot open a road if the accident *might* be fatal (sadly the driver was taken to hospital but succumbed later, after the accident). This means they have to preserve the scene. Once they knew it was fatal they would have to treat it as a crime scene and collect all evidence needed to recreate the scene, etc etc. That's why it takes so long. So everyone else can stop making up police conspiracy stories. Feel awful for the family, so terrible. And for everyone who dealt with the accident.
[quote][p][bold]nickwilcock[/bold] wrote: It is, of course, extremely tragic that one of the HGV drivers has passed away. We know that firefighters were called to the scene at 03:14 and left at 04:27. Presumably the next stage would be to recover the damaged vehicles and to remove debris from the road, ensuring that the central barrier was secure. But does that really require 9 hours? The A34 is now a horrible road, totally inadequate for the volume of traffic which uses it. As far as I'm concerned, it simply isn't worth the risk to use it during the week, given the number of accidents and road closures it experiences. I remember when the last dual carriageway section was finally opened, giving dual carriageway all the way from north of Oxford to Newbury after piecemeal bypass-linking / dualling over the period from 1978-1990. For a few years it was adequate, but now it is far from being so. Sorry to the tree-huggers, but the A34/A43 needs to be motorway standard all the way from Southampton to Stamford. Similarly, the A40 should be motorway standard from the M40 to the M5. Otherwise, these accidents will sadly become more and more common. And again, condolences to the family of the deceased driver.[/p][/quote]I've watched enough Traffic Cops to know that they cannot open a road if the accident *might* be fatal (sadly the driver was taken to hospital but succumbed later, after the accident). This means they have to preserve the scene. Once they knew it was fatal they would have to treat it as a crime scene and collect all evidence needed to recreate the scene, etc etc. That's why it takes so long. So everyone else can stop making up police conspiracy stories. Feel awful for the family, so terrible. And for everyone who dealt with the accident. LouiseOxford

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