Residents take their own action over 20mph limit (From Oxford Mail)

This is great. The County are not being particularly clear why they have withdrawn their support for DIY Streets activities, but having put in measures that have such limited effects on speeding, hopefully they can support this.

Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

Bart - so in your world a selfish nimby is a resident wanting people to stick to the speed limit?

Or perhaps it really grinds you down that people are planting flowers in pots and plants along their street?

Either way good on you Bart for taking a stand and driving you car for no reason other than to annoy people.

These residents are not only asking for the speed limit to be kept, as all residents in Oxford want, they are complaining that motorists use this road for no other reason than to get from A to B leagally.What they really want is for them to have sole use of this road only.What are they actually asking the council to do?? They already have signs and traffic calming measures in place, maybe they should employ someone to walk in front of the traffic with a lamp. Will now contact a few of my biker friends to ride up and down this road as well.

I hope I don't get knocked down by a cyclist with no lights speeding down Lime Walk, fall over and bang my head on one of these 'residents planters'...........
.might have to sue them.

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
These residents are not only asking for the speed limit to be kept, as all residents in Oxford want, they are complaining that motorists use this road for no other reason than to get from A to B leagally.What they really want is for them to have sole use of this road only.What are they actually asking the council to do?? They already have signs and traffic calming measures in place, maybe they should employ someone to walk in front of the traffic with a lamp. Will now contact a few of my biker friends to ride up and down this road as well.

If the residents are complaining about people legally driving along Lime Walk it's not reported in this story.

The Issue i have with Lime Walk is that juction is as this video shows http://m.youtube.com
/watch?v=Sz13gs5FPHo who has the right of way, its an accident waiting to happen

As long as it can be reasonably guaranteed that the planters and pots will not form a trip hazard for pedestrians (particularly for tall people and those with poor vision), cannot be knocked onto the road or pavement resulting in damage or injury to innocent cars or pedestrians.

And of, course, the items should meet European/British standards for reassurance that when damaged through impact or frost they will not splinter or break into sharp pieces.

There are clear rules for "street furniture" - at least, in this case, there is photographic evidence of an individual tending and thus taking responsibility for the items - I hope his domestic insurance provides cover.

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

The council or police should actually put someone down there to see how fast people are driving. The road i live is 30mph and people speed down it at nearly 60, yes this is just a guess of the speed but you can tell the difference of around 30 and around 60. This was backed up by the police who measured average speed of 36mph when they should in a place where drivers could see them and slow down (and lower their average speed). Nothing has been done down my road to combat speeding and it annoys people who can see people breaking the law as some speeding is way over the limit it is clear to the human eye without having a speedgun, maybe this is the case here too.

I regularly drive my son to the John Radcliffe, and on occasion I have taken the alternative route down Lime Walk as the traffic lights ahead can lead to horrendous jams. I sympathise with the residents, but it's no worse than anywhere else in the vicinity of the JR, and to clutter it up with tacky plastic stuff really is over-the-top. As others have said, what about people tripping over them in the dark? What about partially sighted people? Looking at the small photo it looks like a hazardous eyesore to me. If you don't want to live on a busy road, don't live in the city! It seems to me that the residents want to take ownership of the road, and last time I checked it was still very much a PUBLIC highway.

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
As long as it can be reasonably guaranteed that the planters and pots will not form a trip hazard for pedestrians (particularly for tall people and those with poor vision), cannot be knocked onto the road or pavement resulting in damage or injury to innocent cars or pedestrians.

And of, course, the items should meet European/British standards for reassurance that when damaged through impact or frost they will not splinter or break into sharp pieces.

There are clear rules for "street furniture" - at least, in this case, there is photographic evidence of an individual tending and thus taking responsibility for the items - I hope his domestic insurance provides cover.

It seems that the residents reaction is due to motorists being able to speed with impunity.

A far better solution is for speed limits to be enforced and offenders prosecuted. It's far to easy to get away with speeding.

Additionally if anyone wants to safely brighten up their street then good on them!

They do not have permission to put these items on the pavements or highway so they should be removed straight away and if they insist on doing this then prosercute them. We can not have anyone putting things out on the street because they want to. Think I might have a walk along there and trip over them and sue them for as much as I can. Floflo, they complain about motorists using it as a rat run, which is legal.

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
They do not have permission to put these items on the pavements or highway so they should be removed straight away and if they insist on doing this then prosercute them. We can not have anyone putting things out on the street because they want to. Think I might have a walk along there and trip over them and sue them for as much as I can. Floflo, they complain about motorists using it as a rat run, which is legal.

I don't think they're complaining about people driving illegally down these roads. They're just noting that the the traffic that ought to be going down the wider Gipsy Lane and Windmill Road routes is going down the smaller residential roads - of which Lime Walk bears the heaviest load.

The little planting reminds people that the purpose for which these roads were laid down for was to provide access to houses, not through-routes for traffic.

You're in no danger of falling over the plants if you cross at the designated places. I'm sure the County will advise whether any sections of the Highways Act 1980 are being breached.

Christine Hovis wrote:

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
They do not have permission to put these items on the pavements or highway so they should be removed straight away and if they insist on doing this then prosercute them. We can not have anyone putting things out on the street because they want to. Think I might have a walk along there and trip over them and sue them for as much as I can. Floflo, they complain about motorists using it as a rat run, which is legal.

I don't think they're complaining about people driving illegally down these roads. They're just noting that the the traffic that ought to be going down the wider Gipsy Lane and Windmill Road routes is going down the smaller residential roads - of which Lime Walk bears the heaviest load.

The little planting reminds people that the purpose for which these roads were laid down for was to provide access to houses, not through-routes for traffic.

You're in no danger of falling over the plants if you cross at the designated places. I'm sure the County will advise whether any sections of the Highways Act 1980 are being breached.

Why 'ought' the traffic be using the wider roads? Lime Walk is a public road and as such, drivers are as entitled to use it as any other road.

Feelingsmatter wrote:
I regularly drive my son to the John Radcliffe, and on occasion I have taken the alternative route down Lime Walk as the traffic lights ahead can lead to horrendous jams. I sympathise with the residents, but it's no worse than anywhere else in the vicinity of the JR, and to clutter it up with tacky plastic stuff really is over-the-top. As others have said, what about people tripping over them in the dark? What about partially sighted people? Looking at the small photo it looks like a hazardous eyesore to me. If you don't want to live on a busy road, don't live in the city! It seems to me that the residents want to take ownership of the road, and last time I checked it was still very much a PUBLIC highway.

Exactly! If you don't like cars using the road outside your house, don't live in a city centre! Or live in a cul-de-sac. I agree motorists should stick to 20mph, but complaining about traffic using your road in a city centre is ridiculous.

All these residents are hypocrites, and those supporting them are the same. If any of these drive down a residential road they are doing exactly what they are complaing about now. Please expalin how wide a road has to be to be classed as residential 'Hovis' please. In fact parts of Windmill Road is no wider than Lime Walk!! Doh

If i found a nicely decorated plant pot in the road i would take it home and thanks my lucky stars, its not every day my luck would be in.

Driving my fully legal vehicle is a pleasure, sometimes i do it because i like it, sometimes i do it to go somewhere.

"They're just noting that the the traffic that ought to be going down the wider Gipsy Lane and Windmill Road routes is going down the smaller residential roads - of which Lime Walk bears the heaviest load. "

Lime Walk is hardly a narrow road - it is at least as wide as Gipsy Lane. The fact that the area available for vehicles is restricted is due to other vehicles being parked on the road.

Clear the parked vehicles and there will be a road available for its intended purpose.

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

yawn

got to agree with Bart. Driving along this road is legal, provided you stick to the speed limit. I imagine the items used on the pavement by the residents will dissapear before long. As has been posted here if you live in a city you must expect traffic.

the only way to stop this, is to designate the road 'access only'. but then you have to monitor it. there is a 20 mph limit throughout headington, even on london rd from headington hill to just after the co-op, but very few observe it! just the other day i was coming down past the girls school, and was overtaken by a white van, well in excess of 30, let alone 20, and the driver was on the phone. he ignored the red light at gypsy lane and very nearly hit a cyclist. no one cares anymore. clamping down on these minor breakages of the law would cut major crime too.that was proved in new york, when even jaywalkers were fined.

if you take that idea to it's conclusion and designate all residential roads "access only" the main roads would be impossible.
After all if Lime Walk was access only all the other nimbys would want it in their road too.

I have always taken the Windmill Road route to Old Road but this report prompts me to try Lime Walk. I had assumed it was closed to through traffic after earlier complaints by residents, but now I see that I was too cautious. Lime Walk for me and my car in future - the scenic route, as I see here.

You can report obstructions that you are having difficult with, you believe to be dangerous or you believe someone who with vision or mobility issues may have difficulty with on the County Council website:-

http://publicapps.ox
fordshire.gov.uk/wps
/portal/publicapps/a
pplications/reportpr
oblem

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
All these residents are hypocrites, and those supporting them are the same. If any of these drive down a residential road they are doing exactly what they are complaing about now. Please expalin how wide a road has to be to be classed as residential 'Hovis' please. In fact parts of Windmill Road is no wider than Lime Walk!! Doh

Well "Bart". Apart from it being the B4495, having traffic lights at both ends and a pedestrian crossing halfway down, there's ample reasons why Windmill Road is substantially different to Lime walk.

It's a bus route, has the taller lighting connected with more major thoroughfares and has several major business based on in that are realitvely heavy in traffic (a builders merchants, a removals company and a hospital).

So rather than drive down that, and wait, maybe two minutes, for the lights in Headington Centre, traffic goes down Lime Walk. That's probably fair enough, but, as the article makes clear, not at 40mph.

In our satnav world, the traffic includes heavy good vehicles who fancy cutting the corner too.

Lime Walk was designed to connect houses to the outside road structure, not for a continual stream of people who are bored by waiting at traffic lights and prefer to nip down side streets.

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

Well Bart, if you've gor nothing better to do, feel free to come and admire the views in Lime Walk - as long as you and your biker friends (PS I'm a biker too) drive at 20, you'll be perfectly welcome. And 20 is pretty slow when you stand and watch cars doing that speed, so it's pretty simple to spot people who care not that this is a residential street. And to put the matter straight, we don't object to drivers using our streets, as they are perfectly entitled to do. What we object to is drivers who think that 30+, 40+ or even 50+ is fine in narrow residential streets, even when children are going to and from school. The council are currently doing long term monitoring of speeds and traffic flows in Lime Walk, and once again they will reveal the unacceptable number of vehicles ignoring the 20 zone.

I assume the bizarre traffic chicane actually makes matters worse. Most of the traffic cutting down Lime Walk is probably doing so to try and save time, I imagine that a lot of these drivers are more likely to accelerate briskly out of frustration once their progress has been further hindered by the usual mexican standoff at the chicane.

headingtonsignandspe
dwatch wrote:

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

Well Bart, if you've gor nothing better to do, feel free to come and admire the views in Lime Walk - as long as you and your biker friends (PS I'm a biker too) drive at 20, you'll be perfectly welcome. And 20 is pretty slow when you stand and watch cars doing that speed, so it's pretty simple to spot people who care not that this is a residential street. And to put the matter straight, we don't object to drivers using our streets, as they are perfectly entitled to do. What we object to is drivers who think that 30+, 40+ or even 50+ is fine in narrow residential streets, even when children are going to and from school. The council are currently doing long term monitoring of speeds and traffic flows in Lime Walk, and once again they will reveal the unacceptable number of vehicles ignoring the 20 zone.

And when they provide you with the report - ask for an anonymised breakdown of the registered locations for every speeding vehicle. Just the postcode would be adequate

It's very easy to do - and the council has the access to the DVLA records to complete the task.

When a work colleague pressed his council to do the same for his "rat-run" street - the locals were staggered (and embarrassed) to discover that the majority of "speeders" lived in the area/adjacent streets.

Why don't the police just enforce the speed limit then it would answer the illegal complaint and the rest would just be NIMBY.

Really? All that from a black box strapped to a lamp post. I doubt it.

headingtonsignandspe
dwatch wrote:

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

Well Bart, if you've gor nothing better to do, feel free to come and admire the views in Lime Walk - as long as you and your biker friends (PS I'm a biker too) drive at 20, you'll be perfectly welcome. And 20 is pretty slow when you stand and watch cars doing that speed, so it's pretty simple to spot people who care not that this is a residential street. And to put the matter straight, we don't object to drivers using our streets, as they are perfectly entitled to do. What we object to is drivers who think that 30+, 40+ or even 50+ is fine in narrow residential streets, even when children are going to and from school. The council are currently doing long term monitoring of speeds and traffic flows in Lime Walk, and once again they will reveal the unacceptable number of vehicles ignoring the 20 zone.

As anybody that drives down Lime Walk will testify, the speeds that you mention are only possible between midnight and 6am, the Old Road end is only passable for two vehicles at pedestrian pace, and the London Road end being 300 yards long is hardly a racetrack with vehicles in both directions making speeding virtually impossible. The real reason for this is that you and your non driving neighbours want this road closed with a physical barrier to stop through traffic, although the neighbours of your that drive do not, as they know the problems it would cause for them. Your road IS the main road for traffic entering Churchill Drive, and for residents of Girdlestone Road, and Woodfarm/Lye Valley. As earlier commenters have stated, it is not only pretty silly, but also very selfish, to live on a main road within a mile of the Three major hospitals, and shopping area, and then try to stop others accessing those services. Sorry but in a sane world there has to be give and take, you like the very convenient location of your/the banks/ council's home, but you do not want to give the downside of the location. Maybe a relocation less than a mile down the road to Dorchester Close would give you the peace that you require.

sablond oxford wrote:
Why don't the police just enforce the speed limit then it would answer the illegal complaint and the rest would just be NIMBY.

Exactly. It seems the residents are only doing this as the police aren't interested in speeding motorists.

It's obvious that people take an interest in their own 'back yard'. It's naive to assume strangers share the same concerns as a local.

headingtonsignandspe
dwatch wrote:

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

Well Bart, if you've gor nothing better to do, feel free to come and admire the views in Lime Walk - as long as you and your biker friends (PS I'm a biker too) drive at 20, you'll be perfectly welcome. And 20 is pretty slow when you stand and watch cars doing that speed, so it's pretty simple to spot people who care not that this is a residential street. And to put the matter straight, we don't object to drivers using our streets, as they are perfectly entitled to do. What we object to is drivers who think that 30+, 40+ or even 50+ is fine in narrow residential streets, even when children are going to and from school. The council are currently doing long term monitoring of speeds and traffic flows in Lime Walk, and once again they will reveal the unacceptable number of vehicles ignoring the 20 zone.

As anybody that drives down Lime Walk will testify, the speeds that you mention are only possible between midnight and 6am, the Old Road end is only passable for two vehicles at pedestrian pace, and the London Road end being 300 yards long is hardly a racetrack with vehicles in both directions making speeding virtually impossible. The real reason for this is that you and your non driving neighbours want this road closed with a physical barrier to stop through traffic, although the neighbours of your that drive do not, as they know the problems it would cause for them. Your road IS the main road for traffic entering Churchill Drive, and for residents of Girdlestone Road, and Woodfarm/Lye Valley. As earlier commenters have stated, it is not only pretty silly, but also very selfish, to live on a main road within a mile of the Three major hospitals, and shopping area, and then try to stop others accessing those services. Sorry but in a sane world there has to be give and take, you like the very convenient location of your/the banks/ council's home, but you do not want to give the downside of the location. Maybe a relocation less than a mile down the road to Dorchester Close would give you the peace that you require.

WhereIlive wrote:
Really? All that from a black box strapped to a lamp post. I doubt it.

Well, if the "black box" is an image based digital speed monitoring system that is capable of reading registration plates.

Yes

Quick remote download, exclude vehicles travelling at 20mph or under. Bulk upload of remaining registration plates to the DVLA - obtain postcode.

Plot on an electronic map.

It's not exactly rocket science...

How do you think average speed cameras on motorways operate? Or how the London Congestion zone operates...

Digital gives you so many options. It's why I know that my nextdoor neighbour has kindly moved my bin onto my drive this morning once it was emptied. The system recognised that someone was in my garden notified me, captured an image of their face and sent it through. Simples

zimmer, Wolvecote. wrote:

headingtonsignandspe dwatch wrote:

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote: Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

Well Bart, if you've gor nothing better to do, feel free to come and admire the views in Lime Walk - as long as you and your biker friends (PS I'm a biker too) drive at 20, you'll be perfectly welcome. And 20 is pretty slow when you stand and watch cars doing that speed, so it's pretty simple to spot people who care not that this is a residential street. And to put the matter straight, we don't object to drivers using our streets, as they are perfectly entitled to do. What we object to is drivers who think that 30+, 40+ or even 50+ is fine in narrow residential streets, even when children are going to and from school. The council are currently doing long term monitoring of speeds and traffic flows in Lime Walk, and once again they will reveal the unacceptable number of vehicles ignoring the 20 zone.

As anybody that drives down Lime Walk will testify, the speeds that you mention are only possible between midnight and 6am, the Old Road end is only passable for two vehicles at pedestrian pace, and the London Road end being 300 yards long is hardly a racetrack with vehicles in both directions making speeding virtually impossible. The real reason for this is that you and your non driving neighbours want this road closed with a physical barrier to stop through traffic, although the neighbours of your that drive do not, as they know the problems it would cause for them. Your road IS the main road for traffic entering Churchill Drive, and for residents of Girdlestone Road, and Woodfarm/Lye Valley. As earlier commenters have stated, it is not only pretty silly, but also very selfish, to live on a main road within a mile of the Three major hospitals, and shopping area, and then try to stop others accessing those services. Sorry but in a sane world there has to be give and take, you like the very convenient location of your/the banks/ council's home, but you do not want to give the downside of the location. Maybe a relocation less than a mile down the road to Dorchester Close would give you the peace that you require.

Thanks for that.Traffic excedes 20mph 24 hours a day and that's a fact, monitored and reported.
Are you suggesting nobody should live on a road where the traffic excedes the stated limit and move to a Close?This problem is not routed in NIMBY'ISM, this is about public safety. It's 20 for a reason and it's that simple.

WhereIlive wrote:

zimmer, Wolvecote. wrote:

headingtonsignandspe dwatch wrote:

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote: Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

Well Bart, if you've gor nothing better to do, feel free to come and admire the views in Lime Walk - as long as you and your biker friends (PS I'm a biker too) drive at 20, you'll be perfectly welcome. And 20 is pretty slow when you stand and watch cars doing that speed, so it's pretty simple to spot people who care not that this is a residential street. And to put the matter straight, we don't object to drivers using our streets, as they are perfectly entitled to do. What we object to is drivers who think that 30+, 40+ or even 50+ is fine in narrow residential streets, even when children are going to and from school. The council are currently doing long term monitoring of speeds and traffic flows in Lime Walk, and once again they will reveal the unacceptable number of vehicles ignoring the 20 zone.

As anybody that drives down Lime Walk will testify, the speeds that you mention are only possible between midnight and 6am, the Old Road end is only passable for two vehicles at pedestrian pace, and the London Road end being 300 yards long is hardly a racetrack with vehicles in both directions making speeding virtually impossible. The real reason for this is that you and your non driving neighbours want this road closed with a physical barrier to stop through traffic, although the neighbours of your that drive do not, as they know the problems it would cause for them. Your road IS the main road for traffic entering Churchill Drive, and for residents of Girdlestone Road, and Woodfarm/Lye Valley. As earlier commenters have stated, it is not only pretty silly, but also very selfish, to live on a main road within a mile of the Three major hospitals, and shopping area, and then try to stop others accessing those services. Sorry but in a sane world there has to be give and take, you like the very convenient location of your/the banks/ council's home, but you do not want to give the downside of the location. Maybe a relocation less than a mile down the road to Dorchester Close would give you the peace that you require.

Thanks for that.Traffic excedes 20mph 24 hours a day and that's a fact, monitored and reported.
Are you suggesting nobody should live on a road where the traffic excedes the stated limit and move to a Close?This problem is not routed in NIMBY'ISM, this is about public safety. It's 20 for a reason and it's that simple.

Correct it is 20 for a reason. That reason is NIMBY'S with no knowledge of road safety, an a council that is equally as ignorant. The experts Thames Valley Traffic Police stated on record that the 20mph limits are not needed and will not be enforced as 30mph is a perfectly safe speed. I for one believe the experts, and not a bunch of knee-jerk reactionary residents that are not experts on road safety. What next, the Lime Walk residents telling Mr Cameron what his foreign policy should be? P.S. Andrew, following on from your comment, it would be interesting to see how many Lime Walk residents exceed the speed limit when driving in other areas, maybe they will volunteer to have tracking devices in their cars so we can can find out whether they are hypocrites or not.

Andrew:Oxford wrote:

WhereIlive wrote:
Really? All that from a black box strapped to a lamp post. I doubt it.

Well, if the "black box" is an image based digital speed monitoring system that is capable of reading registration plates.

Yes

Quick remote download, exclude vehicles travelling at 20mph or under. Bulk upload of remaining registration plates to the DVLA - obtain postcode.

Plot on an electronic map.

It's not exactly rocket science...

How do you think average speed cameras on motorways operate? Or how the London Congestion zone operates...

Digital gives you so many options. It's why I know that my nextdoor neighbour has kindly moved my bin onto my drive this morning once it was emptied. The system recognised that someone was in my garden notified me, captured an image of their face and sent it through. Simples

I suspect that most lamppost mounted speed survey devices are Radar Pods or similar:

http://www.abd.org.u
k/speed_surveys.htm

So a radar and battery, recording speed and a rough guess at the type of vehicle. No ANPR, GSM or anything else that you mentioned.

Maybe you should investigate strapping your IP camera to lampposts instead?

zimmer, Wolvecote. wrote:

WhereIlive wrote:

zimmer, Wolvecote. wrote:

headingtonsignandspe dwatch wrote:

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote: Lets get one thing straight, there is NO such thing as a rat run. If motorists are legally allowed to drive along a street then they can. Just because selfish residents don't like it does not make it illegal. Where do these residents want the traffic to go? up to the already conjested junction at Windmill Road? So they are quite happy to put more misery on the residents of Windmill road, is that not being used as a 'rat run'. Does no one from Lime walk use any side roads to get where they want?? Of course they do. How do they know cars are going over 30?? all they are doing is guessing. These people are just another bunch of selfish nimbys and should be ignored. As I know it annoys them I think I will start using Lime Walk just for the hell of it.

Well Bart, if you've gor nothing better to do, feel free to come and admire the views in Lime Walk - as long as you and your biker friends (PS I'm a biker too) drive at 20, you'll be perfectly welcome. And 20 is pretty slow when you stand and watch cars doing that speed, so it's pretty simple to spot people who care not that this is a residential street. And to put the matter straight, we don't object to drivers using our streets, as they are perfectly entitled to do. What we object to is drivers who think that 30+, 40+ or even 50+ is fine in narrow residential streets, even when children are going to and from school. The council are currently doing long term monitoring of speeds and traffic flows in Lime Walk, and once again they will reveal the unacceptable number of vehicles ignoring the 20 zone.

As anybody that drives down Lime Walk will testify, the speeds that you mention are only possible between midnight and 6am, the Old Road end is only passable for two vehicles at pedestrian pace, and the London Road end being 300 yards long is hardly a racetrack with vehicles in both directions making speeding virtually impossible. The real reason for this is that you and your non driving neighbours want this road closed with a physical barrier to stop through traffic, although the neighbours of your that drive do not, as they know the problems it would cause for them. Your road IS the main road for traffic entering Churchill Drive, and for residents of Girdlestone Road, and Woodfarm/Lye Valley. As earlier commenters have stated, it is not only pretty silly, but also very selfish, to live on a main road within a mile of the Three major hospitals, and shopping area, and then try to stop others accessing those services. Sorry but in a sane world there has to be give and take, you like the very convenient location of your/the banks/ council's home, but you do not want to give the downside of the location. Maybe a relocation less than a mile down the road to Dorchester Close would give you the peace that you require.

Thanks for that.Traffic excedes 20mph 24 hours a day and that's a fact, monitored and reported. Are you suggesting nobody should live on a road where the traffic excedes the stated limit and move to a Close?This problem is not routed in NIMBY'ISM, this is about public safety. It's 20 for a reason and it's that simple.

Correct it is 20 for a reason. That reason is NIMBY'S with no knowledge of road safety, an a council that is equally as ignorant. The experts Thames Valley Traffic Police stated on record that the 20mph limits are not needed and will not be enforced as 30mph is a perfectly safe speed. I for one believe the experts, and not a bunch of knee-jerk reactionary residents that are not experts on road safety. What next, the Lime Walk residents telling Mr Cameron what his foreign policy should be? P.S. Andrew, following on from your comment, it would be interesting to see how many Lime Walk residents exceed the speed limit when driving in other areas, maybe they will volunteer to have tracking devices in their cars so we can can find out whether they are hypocrites or not.

If only it was thirty. The radar pod is turning in speeds well in excess of that. So lets drop all the ignorant/ knee-jerk reactionary/tracking device/hypocrite bobbins and stick to 20 mph like it says on the signs - stop getting over excited eh?

I've paid my road tax so i will be going down there.

I see they dont complain about the ambulances going from the Churchill.

The point being? Missed by a mile - it's not the vehicle - it's the speed. Let's leave the conflation to the others. Jeez!

dant40 wrote:
I've paid my road tax so i will be going down there.

I see they dont complain about the ambulances going from the Churchill.

There is no such thing as road tax, you dont pay a penny.

We pay to have car on the road.

Accelebrate wrote:

Andrew:Oxford wrote:

WhereIlive wrote:
Really? All that from a black box strapped to a lamp post. I doubt it.

Well, if the "black box" is an image based digital speed monitoring system that is capable of reading registration plates.

Yes

Quick remote download, exclude vehicles travelling at 20mph or under. Bulk upload of remaining registration plates to the DVLA - obtain postcode.

Plot on an electronic map.

It's not exactly rocket science...

How do you think average speed cameras on motorways operate? Or how the London Congestion zone operates...

Digital gives you so many options. It's why I know that my nextdoor neighbour has kindly moved my bin onto my drive this morning once it was emptied. The system recognised that someone was in my garden notified me, captured an image of their face and sent it through. Simples

I suspect that most lamppost mounted speed survey devices are Radar Pods or similar:

http://www.abd.org.u

k/speed_surveys.htm

So a radar and battery, recording speed and a rough guess at the type of vehicle. No ANPR, GSM or anything else that you mentioned.

Maybe you should investigate strapping your IP camera to lampposts instead?

It wouldn't measure the speed though.

Professional devices are best for professional needs.

Andrew:Oxford wrote:

Accelebrate wrote:

Andrew:Oxford wrote:

WhereIlive wrote:
Really? All that from a black box strapped to a lamp post. I doubt it.

Well, if the "black box" is an image based digital speed monitoring system that is capable of reading registration plates.

Yes

Quick remote download, exclude vehicles travelling at 20mph or under. Bulk upload of remaining registration plates to the DVLA - obtain postcode.

Plot on an electronic map.

It's not exactly rocket science...

How do you think average speed cameras on motorways operate? Or how the London Congestion zone operates...

Digital gives you so many options. It's why I know that my nextdoor neighbour has kindly moved my bin onto my drive this morning once it was emptied. The system recognised that someone was in my garden notified me, captured an image of their face and sent it through. Simples

I suspect that most lamppost mounted speed survey devices are Radar Pods or similar:

http://www.abd.org.u


k/speed_surveys.htm

So a radar and battery, recording speed and a rough guess at the type of vehicle. No ANPR, GSM or anything else that you mentioned.

Maybe you should investigate strapping your IP camera to lampposts instead?

It wouldn't measure the speed though.

Professional devices are best for professional needs.

That might not have been a serious suggestion!

The trouble with these people is that they move into places like Lime Walk and then want everything changed to suit them. Having lived locally, I have used Lime Walk, both as a pedestrian and a motorist, for the best part of 60 years and it has always been a busy thoroughfare. If you want no traffic, go live in the country.

dant40 wrote:
I've paid my road tax so i will be going down there.

I see they dont complain about the ambulances going from the Churchill.

Road tax was abolished in 1937, the disc you display shows you have paid Vehicle Excise Duty.

3 things
If the Council were to put concrete ramps on the road your houses will start to suffer cracking and more serious problems.
Within 10 years tachographs will be compulsory. They will link to artificial revenue raising speed limits-i.e. those imposed since 1972 -and few of us will not have 12 points within a month. What then?
The morons who do 30 on a short street and put enough energy on their brakes at the end to boil 4 cups of tea are undoubtedly the first to moan about fuel prices (the second group are those who have dysfunctional "boom boom" exhausts. They haven't noticed that normal children stop making "boom boom" noises at 2)